Grey Jumping

[Ariak]

There are many different points of view regarding golds jumping grey players. Most of the community frowns upon these actions. The question at hand is why. Well there are a few reasons ill list below:

1) The gold player has a unit advantage over the grey player
2) These actions are associated with taking less skill than playing gold counterparts
3) The simple fact that its frowned upon would lead some who would normally jump greys to join the bandwagon and frown upon those who do.
4) its an easy game and its fun for the gold player

Now, why do people play this game?

Some play to gain stats, some play for notability. First and foremost i would hope to be for fun. This brings me to my first point, if you have fun doing it, continue doing it. Why would you let the naysayers take away from your gaming experience? see the list above.

Now, whats beyond me is why you would pay 5 dollars a month to have your gaming experience limited to playing only golds. Why would a person pay money to limit the amount of games he has access to?

Let me ask another question: Why would a game 4+ years old have not made a rule regarding gold vs grey matchups? Its just food for thought.

I once jumped a grey that had very high stats. He delayed the entire game to 30+ minutes. He informed me that this was my punishment for jumping a grey. I asked him why he should be immune to simply feed off of anyone he wants to when a person who actually pays for the game isnt? He had no reply.

Having said these things im aware of the following words of wisdom: Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and noone likes them. Take that for what you will.

[Dresicos]

Welcome to TAO.

Our motto you ask?

Shit happens.

[Zephyr]

Welcome to TAO.

Our motto you ask?

Shit happens.

True. Dat.

[mantis33]

Hey Phenom. :p

[killer24442]

Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and noone likes them.

QFT

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

Welcome to TAO.

Our motto you ask?

Shit happens.

....dres, this is what i have to say to that statement...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4301/ca900185172715a6e53be3ahj5.jpg

[Dresicos]

....dres, this is what i have to say to that statement...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4301/ca900185172715a6e53be3ahj5.jpg

Lmao, hahaha. When you repped me saying

INVISIBLE BIKE. I never checked to see where you repped me from. Hahaha, I get it! haha

[Zephyr]

Lmao, hahaha. When you repped me saying

INVISIBLE BIKE. I never checked to see where you repped me from. Hahaha, I get it! haha


You do? I'm suprised.

[steve12]

Meh, I am seeing more and more grey jumping everyday. For instance, I played a 1380+ gold yesterday on GL. He got all mad because I won, and immediatly after he proceeded to jump a grey on the same floor in order to get his stats back.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

Theres a gold named charlie192 (im sure you all have seen him on GL at one point or another) But he got to 1601 stats without ever playing a gold vs gold game...only jumping greys

[Dresicos]

No, he plays golds. He just never wins xD I have faced him 4 times on GL?

[powza]

Death to Grey Jumpers!!!

[Wisher]

:rolleyes: Indeed!

[The AIDS Virus]

Death to Grey Jumpers!!!

YAR!!

[VAMP7]

Your not hungry for grey jumping, your hungry for HOT POCKETS!

[gryph89]

If they have the skills to back up their playing abilities against golds, does it matter?

I'm not really sure if you guys saw Ariak in Rev or not, but he is an awesome player.

[Magician]

No, he plays golds. He just never wins xD I have faced him 4 times on GL?

God.. he must suck if you beat him 4 times on the trot. ;)

[Hatchet Warrior]

Death to grey jumpers!

[Silver Coast]

Hey Phenom. :p

Ariak is Phenom? :confused:

Ohh, so that was you that I played..

[-57-]

Death to Grey Jumpers!!!

The end result is always gunna be the same!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1976/yeass2.jpg

[The AIDS Virus]

lmao, jeremy pwns

[powza]

Too true fiddy! haha

[Ariak]

Ariak is Phenom? :confused:

Ohh, so that was you that I played..

Sup silver. Not sure bro, did we play? What name do you go under in game and who won?

[Ninai]

I bet he was the grey. :)

[VAMP7]

The end result is always gunna be the same!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1976/yeass2.jpg

Wanna test that theory?

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

I usually don't ask this question, but..

What was the point of this? Your post didn't seem to say much else other than, gray jumping is okay. What brought this on?

Btw, watch out -57-, I think Vamp is hitting on you! :eek:

[menace]

The end result is always gunna be the same!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1976/yeass2.jpg

Pure pwnage. Episode 14 should be released anytime soon.

[pils]

I love how just about EVERYONE that has posted in this thread completely avoided the question at hand, granted its a tough one and the intellectual capacity of the average forumer here doesn't exceed that of a cat.... I would still have expected a cat to muster something up, if they are going to read the thread and take the time to post...

But meh...

Ariak you do bring up a good point, and I can honestly say I have never really taken the time to look at it the way you do.
I think I jumped a grey or two when I got my very first gold, I was told its frowned upon, I didn't ask questions, and life went on.
From then on I kinda jumped on the bandwagon and went with the general consensus that it is "bad" to jump greys because of the unfair unit advantage and anyone who jumps greys must be a noob...
But I suppose you are right... You pay, its a game meant for fun... Do what ever the hell you want.

Only thing that I still kind of have a problem with is golds who *only* play greys, just to basically boost without breaking any rules... That still seems wrong and nubbish to me.
So I guess I will go with what gryph said, if you have the gold vs gold skills to back up your stats then its your business, and your's alone who you play.

[Stormdriven]

I think if you have paid to play this game as a Gold, then you shouldn't be denied outright the capacity to play Greys [as Greys do make up the majority of players]. Also, it is not a "rule" that Golds cannot play greys, otherwise they would have programmed it to disable that.

Having said that, what then should preclude a Gold from playing a Grey? Is it a moral issue? Or a question of Honor?

Gold units do have more HP, can inflict more damage, better range, mobility, and armour [seriously, a Stoned DMS has more armour than a Knight, and a Stoned Wisp will even survive a Lightning strike]. Essentially, a Gold has every tactical advantage required to win. Such a large tactical advantage may make it somewhat unconscionable for a Gold to go against a Grey - It's almost like making a quadraplegic compete against Olympic athletes; it's just not a fair competition between equals.

It's just a game in the end though... The fact is we can't prevent it from happening in any event - even if, for all practical purposes, it does very much resemble boosting.


Storm.

[menace]

Lol it doesn't matter if my opponent is grey or not because I win the game anyway :-P

[steve12]

I think if you have paid to play this game as a Gold, then you shouldn't be denied outright the capacity to play Greys [as Greys do make up the majority of players]. Also, it is not a "rule" that Golds cannot play greys, otherwise they would have programmed it to disable that.

Having said that, what then should preclude a Gold from playing a Grey? Is it a moral issue? Or a question of Honor?

Gold units do have more HP, can inflict more damage, better range, mobility, and armour [seriously, a Stoned DMS has more armour than a Knight, and a Stoned Wisp will even survive a Lightning strike]. Essentially, a Gold has every tactical advantage required to win. Such a large tactical advantage may make it somewhat unconscionable for a Gold to go against a Grey - It's almost like making a quadraplegic compete against Olympic athletes; it's just not a fair competition between equals.

It's just a game in the end though... The fact is we can't prevent it from happening in any event - even if, for all practical purposes, it does very much resemble boosting.


Storm.

Gold players are simply offered a wider range of abilites and strategies to go about than Grey players, which gives them the upper hand. Of coarse it's not a rule for a Gold to play a Grey, but it is looked down upon by most of the mature community for a Gold to "jump" a grey knowing they will most likely win (they will probably check the stats of the Grey player to see if they have enough skill to win easily). But don't bring Golds playing Greys into this; the main problem is Golds jumping Greys.

[pils]

Making the assumption that they check stats to secure an easy win is silly, regardless of whether or not they do in fact do that is besides the point.
Jumping greys is still playing greys, if a grey REALLY didn't want to play a gold, then they can be a big boy/girl and hit F5 before the game starts. Plain and simple, jumping someone does not force them to play you... Granted it makes it somewhat difficult to get out of, you can never say that a grey didn't have an oppurtunity to get out of the game.

[Ariak]

Gold players are simply offered a wider range of abilites and strategies to go about than Grey players, which gives them the upper hand. Of coarse it's not a rule for a Gold to play a Grey, but it is looked down upon by most of the mature community for a Gold to "jump" a grey knowing they will most likely win (they will probably check the stats of the Grey player to see if they have enough skill to win easily). But don't bring Golds playing Greys into this; the main problem is Golds jumping Greys.


From a personal point of view, i do check stats steve. When gold opponents are scarce, i try to play greys that have 1100+ stats. Otherwise there is really no benefit for me. This brings up a very interesting point though: do i play for stats or do i play for fun? There was a point in time when i ONLY played for fun. However, like most humans competition drives us and we seek to be the best whether we admit it or not.

I do agree with the fact that those who solely play greys to gain stats are not playing the game 'correctly'. That however goes without saying. We all know who most of these individuals are and they get no respect from the gold community. When facing a gold counterpart they would most likely lose.

On a side note, i do not like rules placed on free games, and i dont enjoy playing 'grey only games'.

So to sum things up ill have to say that i go by the following. 'You bring your best and ill bring my best and we will see who wins' If you cant compete with the best get out of the game because life is not fair and it carries over into cyber space =/

That sounds a bit hostile but is in no way meant to be hostile.

[X-10]

they All Come From Syndicate

[OFFLINE]

Theres a gold named charlie192 (im sure you all have seen him on GL at one point or another) But he got to 1601 stats without ever playing a gold vs gold game...only jumping greys

he is not gold ne more...

[FreddyAdu23]

It is fine for a gold to put his avatar on a square thing and let anyone jump him/her.

but for them to jump a grey knowing they will probly win is just wrong and takes no skill, but frankly you cant prevent this, if they made grey-jumping against the rules then there would just make lots of people mad, and TAO would lose a lot of business.

So you really just have to deal with it and accept that some people just do it...

P.S. in my matter of thinking a noob gold (like a person that just started the game and hasnt even played grey) has an excuse of jumping a grey cause they really do not know any better

[shurtugal]

are greys alowed 2 grey jump >_> lol i h8 golds who grey jump.

ive beated banff12plus12 in banff (hes leader of netjak) and im trying 2 face the leader in legends its eindeg-something?

[shurtugal]

p.s im a grey my names shurtugal21 or shurtugal in banff and legends

[mino]

Death to Grey Jumpers!!!


Damn Right!


Grey Power! :coolpunk:

P.S (i know its late 2 reply 2 that)

[The Dark Knight]

I would like to put up the statement that ariak put down one of the fundamental questions of tactics arena online. Is it okay to grey jump (stating obvious but oh well). The simple answer is it is only okay if you play with grey pieces only. Or only use the beast rider as an extra piece, as it is essentially a grey piece as well. This would give the grey player a better chance of putting up a fight. Because face it is it really that fun to just absolutely destroy someone without them fighting back?
The reason we play is to go against people we believe can give us the opportunity to lose. Or at least try hard to make us lose, but that is what truly makes the game fun. So if in your opinion you get the same kind of fun out of playing a grey who gives you a great game. What does it matter how you go about getting the game with him?

~The opportunity is there, and if you strive for excellence, some day it will find you.

[Master TAO]

I would like to put up the statement that ariak put down one of the fundamental questions of tactics arena online. Is it okay to grey jump (stating obvious but oh well). The simple answer is it is only okay if you play with grey pieces only. Or only use the beast rider as an extra piece, as it is essentially a grey piece as well. This would give the grey player a better chance of putting up a fight. Because face it is it really that fun to just absolutely destroy someone without them fighting back?
The reason we play is to go against people we believe can give us the opportunity to lose. Or at least try hard to make us lose, but that is what truly makes the game fun. So if in your opinion you get the same kind of fun out of playing a grey who gives you a great game. What does it matter how you go about getting the game with him?

~The opportunity is there, and if you strive for excellence, some day it will find you.

You have done nothing more than state 'your opinion' here.

[The Dark Knight]

You have done nothing more than state 'your opinion' here.

Umm, wasn't that the point? I'm just putting it out there.

[Master TAO]

Hey man i spawned this thread and it sounded like you were being absolute, not just stating your opinion. But hey, its all good =/

[The Dark Knight]

ahh i see what you're saying. Sorry if that came out a bit absolute. My bad merely stating my opinion. I think you should at least use grey like pieces.

[Master TAO]

ahh i see what you're saying. Sorry if that came out a bit absolute. My bad merely stating my opinion. I think you should at least use grey like pieces.

Man i dont grey jump anymore. I went through two phases of it: One when i first started playing around a year ago because i was noob and the second because i was making a funny thread that noone seemed to find funny.


http://tacticsarenaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33123


It has just lost its appeal and is no real challenge.

[The Dark Knight]

Man i dont grey jump anymore. I went through two phases of it: One when i first started playing around a year ago because i was noob and the second because i was making a funny thread that noone seemed to find funny.


http://tacticsarenaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33123


It has just lost its appeal and is no real challenge.

It never was a challenge. And i have never grey jumped, i preferred fishing. Which i don't do anymore, because anyone who plays me is below 800, so therefore i get no points and no interesting games.

[Master TAO]

It never was a challenge. And i have never grey jumped, i preferred fishing. Which i don't do anymore, because anyone who plays me is below 800, so therefore i get no points and no interesting games.

Cookie?

[The Dark Knight]

Cookie?

Thanks. *eats it* Ooh choclate chip, my favorite.