Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

[Scorpionz]

Well, what do YOU think will happen?

[Zander]

Harry will use Kreacher's ties to the malfoy/black/all other bad families to gain access to one of the horcruxes.
Betcha.

[Po0oP]

Well Harry, Ron and Hermiony won't die in the 7th book. This is what JK Rowling has said herself, although there must be a twist, and there has to be a link with the Phropecy.

But I don't think Dumbledore did die.

[EleMENTAL]

But I don't think Dumbledore did die.

She said herself that Dumbledore for sure died.

[Celest]

Well, what do YOU think will happen?

They'll make a movie about it. =DDD!

[Scorpionz]

Hagrid or Lupin will die.

possibly Tonks.

I think that Fawkes will play a part too.

[Excaliber]

I really don't think that Harry will die... It would just be a horrible ending to the story...

EDIT: I was just reading something about a supposed person hacking into a London based computer and stealing secrets regarding the last book... I read that the person said that Hagrid gets killed by Snape... And then I stopped because I want to be surprised when I read the book.

[Anarchy_United]

Ron and Hagrid will die. Snape will Sacrifice himself to save Harry. Elf Rebellion!

[S_K_O_F]

Well Harry, Ron and Hermiony won't die in the 7th book. This is what JK Rowling has said herself, although there must be a twist, and there has to be a link with the Phropecy.

But I don't think Dumbledore did die.

JK never said that Harry, Ron and Hermione won't die. As a matter of fact, in most interviews she has eluded to at least 1 of them dying.

[Forest_Archer]

Harry will have a child with Hermione and he will pursue Voldemort. Harry Jr., if you will.

[Nitanius Nolund]

There will be a bunch of shit that happens, then someone dies, then the book ends and they'll make a multi-million dollar blockbuster out of it and I'll sit there shaking my head thinking "why?"

[Cuathon]

Harry will have a child with Hermione and he will pursue Voldemort. Harry Jr., if you will.

but then ron would join the evil side.

[Forest_Archer]

I would laugh so hard if JK Rowling added at the end "and me saves the day!"

[S_K_O_F]

There will be a bunch of shit that happens, then someone dies, then the book ends and they'll make a multi-million dollar blockbuster out of it and I'll sit there shaking my head thinking "why?"

And maybe you can continue bitching about how much you dislike the series in a thread about the series.
Or, maybe you can buzz off and find a thread that you are interested in, instead of wasting your time informing us all over and over how much you didn't enjoy Harry Potter.

[OFFLINE]

I think Harry will i die, because if she doesnt kill him off, she will have to make a totaly different series about "life after hogwarts". and if she doesnt kill off harry and doesnt make a new series she will gett nailed and pilted with questions. But i dont want harry to die i just think he will

[S_K_O_F]

I think Harry will i die, because if she doesnt kill him off, she will have to make a totaly different series about "life after hogwarts". and if she doesnt kill off harry and doesnt make a new series she will gett nailed and pilted with questions. But i dont want harry to die i just think he will

And all she has to do is deny them their answers.

I read somewhere that she will not allow any 3rd parties to expand on her story, like Lucas did with starwars and Roddenberry did with Star Trek. I don't think Rowling is saying that she will never write more Harry Potter stories, she is just saying that she has no plans to.

[mushroom_girl]

I'm posting this again so you guys can stop with your theories that are obviously wrong. ;)
Confirmed information:
-Dumbledore is really dead. He is not in hiding and is not coming back. (Srsly, enough.)
-There will be no character named "Icicle," and JKR said she didn't recall saying there ever would be.
-Dumbledore is not related to Harry
-Harry is not related to Voldemort, and he is not related to Salazar Slytherin.
-Lily Potter is not alive.
-Lily was not a Death Eater
-Crookshanks is not an Animagus.
-Neville is not Peter Pettigrew's son. (Just because they're both fat doesn't make them related.)
-Remus Lupin does not have a twin brother.
-Petunia is not a Squib.
-Dumbledore is not Harry/Ron from the future. (hahaha)
-Mrs. Norris/Crookshanks is not an Animagus.
-Harry will not become Minister of Magic.
-Peter Pettigrew’s silver hand will not kill Lupin.
-Lupin will not return as a DADA professor.
-The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville.
-The final part of the prophecy does not mean Harry has to kill Neville, or vice versa
-The Sorting Hat is NOT a horcrux.
-We will find out something "incredibly important" about Lily Potter.
-R.A.B's identity will be revealed.
-We will discover more about Dumbledore's past.
-We will learn with whom Snape's loyalties lie.
-Something will be revealed about Petunia Dursley, although we already know that she is not a Squib.
-Viktor Krum will return (World Book Day, 2004 interview).
-We will see a reappearance of Dolores Umbridge: "It's too much fun to torture her not to have another little bit more before I finish." (MuggleNet/Leaky Interview)
-JKR has said "There is a character who does manage, in desperate circumstances, to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare..."
-Harry will face Voldemort for the final time.
-Harry will be attempting to find and destroy Voldemort’s remaining Horcruxes.
-Harry will return to the Dursleys' during the school vacation, but the magical protection Dumbledore arranged will expire when Harry comes of age on his 17th birthday.
-Harry will go to Godric's Hollow. (<--that's his parent's house, fyi)
-The two-way mirror will make a reappearance.
-Fleur and Bill's wedding will occur.
-The fact that Harry "has his mother's eyes" will prove to be an important plot point.
-At least one character will die.
-The last word is expected to be "scar," but may change. (It did. It is one of the last words though!)
-We will learn the exact reason why some people become ghosts when they die and others do not.
-The final chapter, which has already been written, will detail what happens to the surviving characters. (Meaning she won't need to write a new series.)
-There will be no more Quidditch matches
-Bellatrix Lestrange plays a very important role in the last book.
-JKR says some fans will "loathe" the last book.

I just thought I'd share all of this. It helped me make my own theories. And that e-mail from the guy who "hacked" the book...I read the first sentence and closed it by accident, so I'm not going to say anything just in case he's right.

Also...how could Harry be a horcrux? It's a popular theory and I just want to know what you guys think, because it just doesn't make sense.

[†twilight_drag†]

Here is my idea of what is to come from the 7 book.
Well first off you know Voldemort never had any true friends so how do you think he is going to react when Malfoy didn't accomplish the task that was meant for him? I think Voldemort is going to be mad at snape for killing dumbledore, Snape will have to redeem himself once again..he will succeed in bringing Harry to Voldemort towards the end of the book, There is always Wormtail too...an remember he owes Harry still. More then likely in a contrast of irony Malfoy is going to end up helping the ones he has loathed for the past 6 years...Many different ideas but all we can do is ponder until the book comes out....
Now with the horcruxs:
Nagini
Pendant of syltherin
Cup of Hufflepuff
Item of Griffindors
Item of Ravenclaws
Marvolo's Ring
The last is inside Voldemorts body

I loved the post Liz made me laugh because most ppl should know if that had read through the books...:p

[Anarchy_United]

R.A.B Is Sirius's brother, I forget his exact name. He was a death eater, but voldy killed him.

[Unforgottner]

Regulus.

[EleMENTAL]

Alright, so Harry does return to Godrics Hollow.

So, Godrics Hollow is going to end being the Deathly Hollow because that is where the final big battle between the DA and Voldemorts army is going to occur. That is where Neville will kill Bellatrix. And that is where Harry will have his final meeting with Voldemort, and will determine who wins.

[phoenixofflames]

we already went over that harry doesnt HAVE to die, but CAN because the last chapter or w/e is about closure. Regulus is sirius's relation person w.e and i really hope its not him because its expected. anything people have already guessed i dont want to happen :/

[Match Strike]

Sum1 gonna die :( :( :(

[phoenixofflames]

supposedly 2 main characters. and nice sig haah.

[S_K_O_F]

Alright, so Harry does return to Godrics Hollow.

So, Godrics Hollow is going to end being the Deathly Hollow because that is where the final big battle between the DA and Voldemorts army is going to occur. That is where Neville will kill Bellatrix. And that is where Harry will have his final meeting with Voldemort, and will determine who wins.

You are mixing up Hollow with Hallow.
Godric's Hollow
Deathly Hallows.

See the difference. While your theory is good, I think it's basis is wrong.

Hallow - Holy place
Hollow - A valley

[phoenixofflames]

mm i was gonna point that out as well. but Skof beat me too it. anyways, yeah, godric's hollow is where lily/james were killed right?

btw, hallow is a holy place, but it seems to be used as if it could be someONE, deathly hallows...iunno...doesnt sound like the name would be "harry dies in a church"....comments on hallow anyone?

[Excaliber]

Yes for all you crazy people who comes up with crazy assumptions just read what Liz posted...

Also I would suggest looking over other Harry Potter fan sites for more information and theories that have actually been thought through...

Veritaserum and HPNA are two fan sites that provide what I described above...

J.K. Rowling can kill whoever she wants... Even if she kills Harry she won't leave anything unexplained... She said in an interview that before the end of the book she will tie up any loose ends as to what happens with the character... She said that she won't end on a cliff hanger and that there will be a resolution that will put an end to the Harry Potter story...

[Oisin]

Harry can't be a Horcrux.

He wasn't present at any crucial murder of Voldemort's except his parents'. But even then, why would Voldemort put a piece of his soul into a vessel which he planned to kill? The only other murder Harry witnessed was Cedric's, and he wasn't made one then because all the Horcruxes were already in existence.

As for "Deathly Hallows," I believe it is what's behind the veil that Sirius fell into. The American cover for DH looks like they're behind the veil, and the veil is supposedly where dead people are, making it a holy place concerning death.
http://www.weeklyreader.com/readandwriting/content/binary/deathly%20hallows2.jpg

[mushroom_girl]

I don't thnk he is either, but a LOT of people do think that. Like, if Harry was a Horcrux then Voldemort wouldn't have tried to kill him. It just doesn't make sense. To make Harry a horcrux, he'd have to stay alive so he could use him, kind of like the snake (theoretically mentioned by Dumbledore).

And if it's "Deathly Holy Place"...could it be the graveyard where LV fought Harry in book 4? Just an idea! And Oisin's idea is good too. :)

Another thing crossed my mind...Sirius was Harry's Godfather...but who was his Godmother, Petunia?

[Excaliber]

The idea of Harry being a horcrux is just too ludicrous to be plausible... It would be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of...

I think that we will probably see more of the mysterious archway in the Dept. of Mysteries...

I have also heard people saying that they think that Harry will team up with Regulus Black despite the numerous times they are informed that Regulus Black is indeed dead...

I can't recall much about the fake horcrux though(the necklace)... Do you guys think that it was stolen by R.A.B. and possibly destroyed or hidden elsewhere?

R.A.B. could indeed be Regulus Black but I think that it would be way too predictable to be true... I don't think that J.K. Rowling would have made it that easy for us to find out who R.A.B. really is...

What do you guys think will happen when Harry returns to the Dursley's house for the last time before he comes of age?

Do you guys think that that could possibly play a significant role in the story?

[Oisin]

And if it's "Deathly Holy Place"...could it be the graveyard where LV fought Harry in book 4? Just an idea! And Oisin's idea is good too. :)

B-but...look at the curtains :(

[Excaliber]

On another note.. I will absolutely die if Harry dies or if L.V. is not defeated...

I would also hate to see Ron or Hermione die...
I was thoroughly surprised at the end of the Half-Blood Prince when Dumbledore was killed...
I had to reread it a few times before I was sure that I wasn't imagining things...

This weekend I am going to reread the Half-Blood Prince and possibly listen to the audio book for The Order of The Phoenix just to make sure that I am fully refreshed in the past events...

[EleMENTAL]

You are mixing up Hollow with Hallow.
Godric's Hollow
Deathly Hallows.

See the difference. While your theory is good, I think it's basis is wrong.

Hallow - Holy place
Hollow - A valley

Could the Deathly Hallows possibly be the grave site of Harry's Parents?

[Anarchy_United]

I think Lord Voldy is just misunderstood.

[Lex]

I think Lord Voldy is just misunderstood.

I hear ya, I really hope Voldy wins. He just wants to run the magical world his way, and I bet it would prosper. All hail Lord Voldemort!

[Kyir]

Everyone dies.

Horribly.

[The AIDS Virus]

Ok, now we must pose the age old question, is Snape good or evil?

I think he's a baddie, and JKR has been trying to make him look good. That way we're all(but not me) surprised when he turns bad. Plus there is still a mound of evidence that points to the fact, yes fact, that he is evil.

[Excaliber]

I think it would be a horrible twist if we found out that Snape is actually good...

If Snape were actually good the only justification of him killing Dumbledore was the fact that he made the unbreakable vow... So he might have been forced to by very powerful magic... This might explain why Dumbledore was soo calm during his time of death... He might secretly have known about the unbreakable vow Snape had made...

But the idea of such a thing is also very ludicrous...

In my opinion Snape is fully aligned with L.V. and the rest of the death eaters...

He would have no reason whatsoever to be good now that Dumbledore is no longer alive... Just think about it, Snape hates Harry, he hated Harry's family, he hates the Weasleys, he hates Lupin, and he pretty much hates every other member of the order...

[Scorpionz]

Unless Dumbledore ordered Snape to kill him and that was why Hagrid overheard those two fighting.

When he says "Please..." to Snape, he was trying to say just do it.

Thata way, Snape didn't break the unbreakable vow and gained the trust of Narcissa (and Bellatrix to a point)

I think that Snape never knew of Dracos mission and lied that he did to find out about it.

[Zander]

I think it would be a horrible twist if we found out that Snape is actually good...

If Snape were actually good the only justification of him killing Dumbledore was the fact that he made the unbreakable vow...
Silly silly dumb dumb. ( edit:I'm only joking, don't take offense please)The argument hagrid overheard between snape and dumbledore outside the forbidden forest was about killing dumbledore if it came down to it, not just the overall spy thing. There's your justification. If he was "pretending" to be good, there's no way he'd try and get out of "spying" for dumblydore, it'd be too suspicios.
So he might have been forced to by very powerful magic... 'Cept Dumbledore probably wouldn't make anyone take an unbreakable vow. He's all, good, and stuff. This might explain why Dumbledore was soo calm during his time of death... He might secretly have known about the unbreakable vow Snape had made... He wasn't calm, he was begging. Dumbledore isn't the type to beg for his life. He was begging snape to kill him and not blow his cover. But yeah, of course he knew about the unbreakable vow snape took at the beginning of the book.

[Oisin]

He would have no reason whatsoever to be good now that Dumbledore is no longer alive... Just think about it, Snape hates Harry, he hated Harry's family, he hates the Weasleys, he hates Lupin, and he pretty much hates every other member of the order...

Snape may have a vendetta against the Marauders, their children, and Gryffindor in general, but his allegiance always laid with Dumbledore. Dumbles saved him from Voldemort, gave him a job and a place to live. Snape's face was filled with disgust, probably because of the act he was about to commit. I HIGHLY doubt that Dumbledore would put that much faith in a person and not actually know their true side, and whether nor not they'd switch sides once he was dead. Dumbledore's a good judge of character.

[phoenixofflames]

Harry can't be a Horcrux.

As for "Deathly Hallows," I believe it is what's behind the veil that Sirius fell into. The American cover for DH looks like they're behind the veil, and the veil is supposedly where dead people are, making it a holy place concerning death.
http://www.weeklyreader.com/readandwriting/content/binary/deathly%20hallows2.jpg

harry being a horcrux. who started that. thats retarded.

good guess on deathly hallows. only 1 problem: you dont want much of this book in there because...that means you are dead...

about snape:

i read an interesting thing on why dumbledore may trust him. if his patronus is something dumbledore linked, like a phoenix (for fawkes) that would show his intentions. plus, when snape healed malfoy, harry thoguht he heard a song, which is phoenixlike. if dumbledore saw snapes patronus to be something evil, he would know where snape stood and wouldnt trust him with harry as much.

[uniquinous]

WARNING: spoilers of the first 6 books below

A lot of Happy Rotter deals with rebirth from death in different forms. The ghosts, people as portraits, voldemort constantly reappearing. Each book can also be seen as harry figuratively dying and being given a second chance.


Sorcerer's stone he passes out and then gets revived elsewhere to have everything explained to him.
Chamber of secrets he gets poisoned, passes out, then gets revived elsewhere to have everything explained to him.
Prisoner of Azkeban, harry gets attacked by a ton of dementors (pretty much the embodiment of death), passes out, then gets revived elsewhere (starting to see the dull pattern yet?) to have everything explained to him. This is also the book where Harry gets a game over and goes back in time to undo that.
Giblets of Fire, the blood of the savior (harry) is used to resurrect the dark lord, then he gets back to hogwarts, and, weakened, gets carried away to be saved and revived later, then the whole moody thing, and then dumbledork explains everything.
Order of the Noob, harry gets taken over by voldemort, then passes out and revises later to have everything explained to him.
Half-bLood prince... I got nothin here...


I believe Neville will play a large part. It's interesting to see what they do or don't include in the movies, as Rowling has to tell the producers what MUST be included. Kreacher is one of them. that arch/veil is also one of them

[phoenixofflames]

yeah. teh call on the veil is probably the right answer to the name of this book.

[The AIDS Virus]

The only problem I have with oisin's theory is the debris at the bottom, where'd that come from? The debris lead me to believe it was in Godric's Hollow durning a big fight between LV and HP where the whole story began.

[Oisin]

Broken archway of the veil?

Symbolic of life after death, or how Harry can leave the veil once he's crossed it, or (not wanting to get my hopes up) Sirius can be alive again now too please?

[mushroom_girl]

I'm basically repeating what zander said, because we completely agree.

Snape's good, no doubt about it. Dumbledore wants Snape to be 100% trusted by LV...and what better way to do that than to kill his worst enemy? Now, Dumbledore was a smart man, so he's not just going to tell everyone the plan and make it look unbelievable. He's probably going to leave something in his pensieve or some sort of message for everyone for Snape to show them, as long as he survives.

Remember when Harry had to shove that potion down Dumbledore's throat? He had a disgusted look of hatred on his face. Well, Snape had that same look on his face about what he was doing, not about Dumbledore himself. And Dumbledore wouldn't beg for his life. Ever. He was begging Snape to fulfill his duty. It makes sense, and I think JKR is smart for making it that way.

[The AIDS Virus]

Broken archway of the veil?

Symbolic of life after death, or how Harry can leave the veil once he's crossed it, or (not wanting to get my hopes up) Sirius can be alive again now too please?

That's clever, I like the theory. I will nonetheless stick to my guns. I have a theory that they are reaching for a wand too btw. Since they both have the same core in their wands. Which also leads me to think it's a fight.

Also, I think Dumbledore's love blinds him to Snape's true side. Voldemort would just do away with him if he even thought for a second he wasn't on his side. Plus Snape would be taking a massive risk by killing Dumbledore if he was good because he would become completely emersed within the bad side and be at Voldy's mercy. He's totally a wimp who is power hungry.

[phoenixofflames]

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se13.shtml

very interesting.

[Scorpionz]

Too many loose ends to tie up and I don't think that she will make the hassle of putting that one there.

Although...

it's a possibility.

Hell. Anythings a possibility.

[Excaliber]

I hope that Snape is truly on the bad side... It would make no sense at all for Dumbledore to sacrifice himself so that Snape could keep putting up a front with L.V..

Dumbledore is worth 100x more than Snape to the good side...
And plus Snape hates half of the good side anyway...

If he really is on the good side I will die...
And with my luck he will be...

[phoenixofflames]

here one sec i'll edit this post with a link to massive thing about what snape thinks.

kk here it is.

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se19.shtml

[Oisin]

Dumbledore is worth 100x more than Snape to the good side...
And plus Snape hates half of the good side anyway...

Not true! Dumbledore may have been the most influential member of the Order, but he was by no means the most important. Argueably he knew the most about Tom Riddle the person, but Snape had the knowledge about the Death Eaters and Voldemort's army. I believe that Snape was willing to sacrifice himself to save Dumbledore, but Dumbledore knew Snape's importance and implored him to save himself.

[†twilight_drag†]

Harry def is not a horcrux he was suppose to be Voldemorts last kill for him to be made into the last horcrux..but instead, harrys mom died, explained in the HBP...

[VAMP7]

Harry kisses hedwig at the end of the movie.

[mushroom_girl]

Dumbledore is worth 100x more than Snape to the good side...
And plus Snape hates half of the good side anyway...
Snape is good, there's really no doubt about it in my mind.

Dumbledore would never beg for his life, so what else would he beg Snape to do?

Snape and Dumbledore were arguing about Snape not wanting to do something. Of all things Snape wouldn't want to do, I think the biggest thing would be to kill Dumbledore. Dumbledore got Snape out of Azkaban, he did a lot for him. Snape needs to get as close to LV as possible to help Harry. And Dumbledore served his purpose, he passed on as much info on LV's past as possible and as much about the horcruxes as he could. Honestly, it's all set up really well. If that's not how it actually is I'll be pretty pissed off. :p

[phoenixofflames]

what liz said basically sums up the second link i gave. the first one is about replacing the diary horcrux. you should read that =)

[Excaliber]

Snape is good, there's really no doubt about it in my mind.

Dumbledore would never beg for his life, so what else would he beg Snape to do?

Snape and Dumbledore were arguing about Snape not wanting to do something. Of all things Snape wouldn't want to do, I think the biggest thing would be to kill Dumbledore. Dumbledore got Snape out of Azkaban, he did a lot for him. Snape needs to get as close to LV as possible to help Harry. And Dumbledore served his purpose, he passed on as much info on LV's past as possible and as much about the horcruxes as he could. Honestly, it's all set up really well. If that's not how it actually is I'll be pretty pissed off. :p

I agree but I just don't like Snape...lol
That's why I couldn't stand to see him on the good side...

[Oisin]

Snape's good, Harry is not a horcrux.

Now, Sirius: Dead or alive?

JKR never concretely confirmed his death like she did with Dumbledore. Is there a possibility that he can come back? Personally, I'd like to think so.

[phoenixofflames]

i think he is dead but we will see him in the afterlife.

[VAMP7]

i think he is dead but we will see him in the afterlife.

He can live with lord voldermort. And they will have a sitcom based on it.

[Hoolwath]

I think she will do it this way.


Harry will be winning after destroying all Horcruxes, it will seem as though he won, Snape and Malfoy by his side, but Voldemort does something and will send Avada Kedavra at him.

But!

I think that Dumbledore protected him with his own life like his mother did when he was a child. These things always happen in books like those. The same trick at the end as the one in the beginning. A cool ending.

[OFFLINE]

I think she will do it this way.


Harry will be winning after destroying all Horcruxes, it will seem as though he won, Snape and Malfoy by his side, but Voldemort does something and will send Avada Kedavra at him.

But!

I think that Dumbledore protected him with his own life like his mother did when he was a child. These things always happen in books like those. The same trick at the end as the one in the beginning. A cool ending.

thats a really good prodiction

[Zander]

I think that Dumbledore protected him with his own life like his mother did when he was a child.
Sorry, but no.

What Lily did wasn't actually a spell. She was literally given the choice of life, and she refused it in order to protect Harry.
As much as you can argue that Dumbledore sacrificed his life to save Harry, it's just not the same thing.

[Excaliber]

Snape's good
That still cannot be confirmed until the books comes out... There is enough evidence to support either side...

Now, Sirius: Dead or alive?

JKR never concretely confirmed his death like she did with Dumbledore. Is there a possibility that he can come back? Personally, I'd like to think so.

Sirius is dead... Even Dumbledore as well as every other character told Harry that he was...

[Hoolwath]

Hah, are you the rule maker?

They said it a lot of times in the book. Your mother sacrificed for you, changed her life for yours, yadda yadda. It is the same thing. I never said it was a spell.

[Zander]

He stood there defenseless and was murdered. It was the equivalent to him losing a duel. He did not directly give his life for Harry.

[Hoolwath]

Hi immobilized him, which saved him his life. He had one move left before he was going to be unarmed and all he did was immobilize Harry. He favourized Harrys life before his own therefore sacrificed for him.

[-57-]

I don't think Harry is protected by Dumbeldore, but I do think Snape is good. As my dad pointed out to me (yes, my dad is OBSESED with Harry Pottrt >_>) Snape is probably one of the most powerful if not 2nd most powerful wizard around now.

And I think Harry will need saving again, as usual, but this time it will be Snape, and Snape will finish of Voldy

i think he is dead but we will see him in the afterlife.

Agreed

[Scorpionz]

Ron and Hermione get it on.

[-57-]

Ron and Hermione get it on.

They "snog"

I believe is the term? :huh:

[Excaliber]

I will be mad if anyone but Harry kills L.V....

If Harry doesn't kill him then nobody should...

[Hoolwath]

You snogged Krum!

[phoenixofflames]

i dont think harry should kill L.V. he sucks at duels. snape has the power. harry can do the dirty work of horcrux killing. last horcrux kills him. snape, sends the spell while harry is dying. harry dies, snape's unbreakable vow to lily kills him since harry is dead, and there is the 2 characters that jkr said would die. bam i win. /2 points.

[AKGhostGunn3r]

k guyz snaep kild dumbeldor ?

Er... I'm excited about the book. I can't wait. I have it preordered offa' Amazon.

Sadly, I'm heading to Florida on the 20th, so unless it gets here by the 19th, I can't get it until after I come back. :(

[Oisin]

Actually you fail miserably. Harry does not suck at dueling. Unless the last horcrux left is Nagini, it's doubtful it will kill Harry. Even then, Mr. Weasley survived an assault by Nagini. What spell are you talking about? Unbreakable vow to LILY? What the hell? He hates Lily!

[AKGhostGunn3r]

I can't remember who he made the unbreakable vow to. It's on the tip of my tongue, I just can't remember it.

[kingedward]

He made it to Narcissa Malfoy, mother of Draco.

[Zander]

i dont think harry should kill L.V. he sucks at duels. snape has the power. harry can do the dirty work of horcrux killing. last horcrux kills him. snape, sends the spell while harry is dying. harry dies, snape's unbreakable vow to lily kills him since harry is dead, and there is the 2 characters that jkr said would die. bam i win. /2 points.
Lol@ your first sentence. You're basing this off of what I told you about the prophecy. The part about trelawney saying "The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches..." and how I told you that Snape was literally approaching at a run. That's all very well, you can think that, but that's pure speculation without anything fact-based. I was just messing with your head when I said that to you. The actual prophecy goes on to say that the same one with the power to vanquish the dark lord will be born as the blah blah month dies, referring to the same someone that "approaches," so the idea of Snape being the one the prophecy told of that has the power to kill voldemort is really not something to try and stick with.


Also, the last horcrux being destroyed does not kill Voldemort. The last piece of his soul resides on his body. The horcruxes simply must be destroyed before Voldemort may be killed, the horcruxes themselves being destryed does not kill him.

Third problem is that Snape made no unbreakable vow to lily, so Harry dying would not kill him.

p.s. I forgot your aim and i'm not on the same computer with that box open with your name in it, otherwise i would've said this there.

[phoenixofflames]

kk explanation time. i know the last horcrux doesnt kill voldemort, snape's avada kedavra would.

as for unbreakable: dumbledore trusts snape. dumbledore values harry. you dont think he made him take an unbreakable vow with dumbledore, james, or lily? that might be why he trusts him.


as for why i said snape kills him: it wasnt what you said about hte prophecy. thats not true. i re-read it. he was listening already when he heard that. i'm just spitballing because no one else will have an original idea

[AKGhostGunn3r]

The horcruxes basically make him immortal, once the last one is destroyed, he is vulnerable.

[Zander]

as for unbreakable: dumbledore trusts snape. dumbledore values harry. you dont think he made him take an unbreakable vow with dumbledore, james, or lily? that might be why he trusts him.
Dumbledore didn't trust Snape until after Lily & James were dead. Makes it a little hard for Snape to've had an unbreakable vow with them.;)
i'm just spitballing because no one else will have an original idea
Well, then, I can't shut down your theory, because it's not based on anything :p

[phoenixofflames]

Dumbledore didn't trust Snape until after Lily & James were dead. Makes it a little hard for Snape to've had an unbreakable vow with them.;)

FINE he made it with dumbledore. happy?

Well, then, I can't shut down your theory, because it's not based on anything :p

hehehe you finally realize the beauty of having no proof whatsoever.:rolleyes:

[Zander]

I've already posted that I don't believe Dumbledore would force an unbreakable vow on anyone because it's not something someone of his character would do. He trusted him because of his remorse for the death of Lily & James and his part in their death, not because of an unbreakable vow. There may be more to his trust in Snape, but I guarantee you it's not an unbreakable vow.

[phoenixofflames]

kk so now you just dont believe me, but you have no way to shoot down my ideas.

my work here is done.

[Zander]

theDeHydratedH2O (8:29:28 PM): put a nice conclusion up
theDeHydratedH2O (8:29:32 PM): thanks, that was fun =)
zanderx1990 (8:30:56 PM): *sigh
theDeHydratedH2O (8:30:42 PM): what
theDeHydratedH2O (8:30:47 PM): not giving you anythign to feed off of?
theDeHydratedH2O (8:30:48 PM): lol
zanderx1990 (8:31:16 PM): You seem like you think you've won something
zanderx1990 (8:31:23 PM): what exactly are your ideas?
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:03 PM): hehehehhee
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:05 PM): um
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:14 PM): i have so many thoughts in my head
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:17 PM): none of them are ideas though
zanderx1990 (8:31:41 PM): you've nothing to base the possibility of an unbreakable vow on
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:26 PM): um
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:33 PM): it could happen
zanderx1990 (8:31:55 PM): there's nothing but evidence to suggest otherwise
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:34 PM): =)
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:42 PM): nothing but evidence?
zanderx1990 (8:32:05 PM): dumbledore's type of character would not force a death on someone
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:47 PM): evidence is good enough for me
zanderx1990 (8:32:09 PM): he would either trust them or he wouldn't
theDeHydratedH2O (8:31:54 PM): mmm thats a point
zanderx1990 (8:32:17 PM): to suggest otherwise
zanderx1990 (8:32:22 PM): not evidence to back you up
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:04 PM): BUT
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:08 PM): harry means everything
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:09 PM): if harry fails
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:14 PM): the dark lord prolly wont ever die
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:20 PM): so that might be worth going against his morals
zanderx1990 (8:32:44 PM): No. :/
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:30 PM): see
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:34 PM): now all you can do is not believe me
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:35 PM): so i win something
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:43 PM): in my mind at least
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:45 PM): i'm like that :/
zanderx1990 (8:33:12 PM): You win nothing... you've got the wrong impression of dumbledore
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:56 PM): dude
zanderx1990 (8:33:18 PM): that's all you're basing this possibility off of
zanderx1990 (8:33:19 PM): nothing else
theDeHydratedH2O (8:32:58 PM): desperation
theDeHydratedH2O (8:33:01 PM): he'd give his LIFE
theDeHydratedH2O (8:33:02 PM): for harry
theDeHydratedH2O (8:33:07 PM): he KNOWS this has to happen

Your only idea is that you think Dumbledore forced Snape to take an unbreakable vow. You've got absolutely nothing to base this on. There is no evidence to support your theory. There is, however, something that would conflict with it and give reason to disbelieve it. It has to be said, Dumbledore simply would not force this type of thing on someone. He's the definition of a good person, he's not going to put death over someone's head as a way of making sure they can trust them.

[-57-]

It has to be said, Dumbledore simply would not force this type of thing on someone. He's the definition of a good person, he's not going to put death over someone's head as a way of making sure they can trust them.

Yeah this might be a bit to complicated (definantly for me) but arn't you shooting down a theory without evidence WITH a theory without evidence? I mean how do we know Dumbeldore wouldn't make someone take the vow. Afterall, he was willing to sacrifice his life (we think) so why not do this?

:huh:

Edit: Lemme add in I don't think Dumbledore did force him too... but Ima just sayin

[mushroom_girl]

Sorry, but no.

What Lily did wasn't actually a spell. She was literally given the choice of life, and she refused it in order to protect Harry.
As much as you can argue that Dumbledore sacrificed his life to save Harry, it's just not the same thing.
I've already posted that I don't believe Dumbledore would force an unbreakable vow on anyone because it's not something someone of his character would do.
Absolutely positively 100% agree. :) I think we just have the same ideas in our heads because we love HP that much. All these other noobs are just pretending.

I will be mad if anyone but Harry kills L.V....

If Harry doesn't kill him then nobody should...
No one else but Harry can kill him. If you read HP5 or saw the movie, Harry asks Dumbledore if the prophecy means one has to kill the other...Dumbledore says yes.

[phoenixofflames]

i read it multiple times but its been a while.

[DIGID]

I think that Harry needs to kill Voldemort multiple times while destroying the Horcruxes. Killing him does a lot, considering how it took him 14 years to come back. If Harry were to just start destroying the Horcruxes, Voldemort could attempt to create more Horcruxes.

[OFFLINE]

If harry kills a horcrux couldnt LV just create a new one?

[mushroom_girl]

I'm guessing that when you divide your soul you have to do it all at once, or else he could have continued to make them beyond 7.

Besides, it could be like having a Dragon Tyrant with DSM and pyros. The more pyros/DSMs you kill, the more powerful they get. And since 7 is the most magical number, it would probably be best if he didn't make any more than that.

[-57-]

I'm guessing that when you divide your soul you have to do it all at once, or else he could have continued to make them beyond 7.

Besides, it could be like having a Dragon Tyrant with DSM and pyros. The more pyros/DSMs you kill, the more powerful they get. And since 7 is the most magical number, it would probably be best if he didn't make any more than that.

Ok, so I don't give out rep much, and i can't remember repping you... but I can't... but wow...

That was nice, real nice... Connecting HP with TAO... I'm still laughing...

[phoenixofflames]

kk um there is a thing about him making a horcrux in replacement for the diary to get back to 7. although more htan 7 is bad, he wants 7 right? so if he made another he is back to 7 (he thinks). then he finds out what RAB did. needs to make another. i posted the link about this and no one clicked it. its one of the 2 links i posted. back a few pages.

[mushroom_girl]

kk um there is a thing about him making a horcrux in replacement for the diary to get back to 7. although more htan 7 is bad, he wants 7 right? so if he made another he is back to 7 (he thinks). then he finds out what RAB did. needs to make another. i posted the link about this and no one clicked it. its one of the 2 links i posted. back a few pages.

No, he'd have made more. When part of his soul dies he doesn't get it back, so making more will just make him weaker and each one weaker. It makes no sense.

[uniquinous]

yeah i'm pretty sure they explain that at some point - that he's ripping his soul into pieces each time...

[EleMENTAL]

Do you think Harry will make himself Horcruxes?

[The AIDS Virus]

I like how noobs who little about HP keep posting on this thread, and keep getting shot down by liz and zander. As for will we see Sirius again, I think yes, but not alive in the sense that we know.

[mushroom_girl]

Sirius is probably not alive still. He might be a ghost though! That'd be an interesting twist. :)

[iceman2001]

Hmm....
Does anyone else think that the soul-splitting concept is getting a little too over-analized? (that one's for you, mush ;)) I mean, we are talking about Harry Potter, not Orson Scott Card or Frank Herbert? Perhaps we should just go back to how hot we think Hermonirienee is.

[mushroom_girl]

Hmm....
Does anyone else think that the soul-splitting concept is getting a little too over-analized? (that one's for you, mush ;)) I mean, we are talking about Harry Potter, not Orson Scott Card or Frank Herbert? Perhaps we should just go back to how hot we think Hermonirienee is.
1. My made-up words are great and you know it.
2. Harry Potter > Real people.
3. There's a thread for talking about her already!

Noob.

[Zander]

3. There's a thread for talking about her already!
Nuh, that's for emma watson.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1421/hermownninnymk7.jpg
Yeah... real hot...

[phoenixofflames]

he has a point. hermione is supposed to NOT be hot :/

and all i'm saying is if he can stand to rip it into 7 pieces whats an 8th to get back his lucky magical # 7 horcruxes? no harry will not make horcruxes thats a dark thing to do.

[Scorpionz]

Sirius is probably not alive still. He might be a ghost though! That'd be an interesting twist. :)

We get to find out why some people become ghosts and some don't.

I don't think Sir Nick was telling the truth about it in OotP.

[mushroom_girl]

he has a point. hermione is supposed to NOT be hot :/

and all i'm saying is if he can stand to rip it into 7 pieces whats an 8th to get back his lucky magical # 7 horcruxes? no harry will not make horcruxes thats a dark thing to do.

Did you ignore what I said?

Even if he made 7 already, he'd have to make an 8th to replace it. IN TOTAL he needs 7, not 7-1+1. That doesn't work, because in soul-splitting numbers...that's 8 pieces of a soul.

[kingedward]

No one else but Harry can kill him. If you read HP5 or saw the movie, Harry asks Dumbledore if the prophecy means one has to kill the other...Dumbledore says yes.

Dumbledore is not always right...he could have interpretted the prophecy wrong. All the prophecy says is that neither (Harry and Voldemort) can live while the other does. That means that someone must kill one of them, but it doesnt have to be the actual person. I am personally hoping that Snape feels indebted to James for saving him from Lupin enough to step in when Voldemort is about to kill Harry, and then the duel between the two most powerful wizards left on the earth to begin.

[Excaliber]

i dont think harry should kill L.V. he sucks at duels. snape has the power. harry can do the dirty work of horcrux killing. last horcrux kills him. snape, sends the spell while harry is dying. harry dies, snape's unbreakable vow to lily kills him since harry is dead, and there is the 2 characters that jkr said would die. bam i win. /2 points.

kk explanation time. i know the last horcrux doesnt kill voldemort, snape's avada kedavra would.

as for unbreakable: dumbledore trusts snape. dumbledore values harry. you dont think he made him take an unbreakable vow with dumbledore, james, or lily? that might be why he trusts him.


as for why i said snape kills him: it wasnt what you said about hte prophecy. thats not true. i re-read it. he was listening already when he heard that. i'm just spitballing because no one else will have an original idea


Have you even read the books or are you just stupid?

Absolutely positively 100% agree. :) I think we just have the same ideas in our heads because we love HP that much. All these other noobs are just pretending.


No one else but Harry can kill him. If you read HP5 or saw the movie, Harry asks Dumbledore if the prophecy means one has to kill the other...Dumbledore says yes.

It doesn't have to be Harry that kills him... There is nothing that forces either one to fulfill the prophecy... Dumbledore even said that there are tons of prophecies that haven't been fulfilled... That is where L.V. made his mistake... He thought that the prophecy must be fulfilled and jumped to conclusions and attempted to get rid of Harry and not Neville very early on in his life... When he failed he gave Harry the scar thus marking him as his equal...

L.V. only went through all of this difficulty because he thought that all prophecies must be fulfilled...

There is nothing forcing this one to be fulfilled...

And J.K. Rowling is also known to put little twists and turns in he books...

I don't see why everyone is going to such lengths to predict the book before it comes out... Why bother? J.K. Rowling is obviously more creative than everyone here... Don't you guys think that she would have already thought of such obvious things and purposefully wrote something different... No matter what you guys predict we will all be surprised... Since this is the very last book in the series I doubt that she would leave even the smallest detail to be soo predictable...

[LosPollos]

What the Fawkes?

[mushroom_girl]

Harry is making sure that the prophecy is going to be fulfilled, and LV started it. So really, it HAS to happen now. :p

And whether or not Dumbledore was right about Harry having to kill LV, Harry believes him and that's all that matters. Also, the prophecy says that LV would mark the child as his equal, and he would be his greatest enemy (something along the lines of that) which pretty much shows that he is going to attempt to kill him.

[Oisin]

It doesn't have to be Harry that kills him... There is nothing that forces either one to fulfill the prophecy... Dumbledore even said that there are tons of prophecies that haven't been fulfilled... That is where L.V. made his mistake... He thought that the prophecy must be fulfilled and jumped to conclusions and attempted to get rid of Harry and not Neville very early on in his life... When he failed he gave Harry the scar thus marking him as his equal...

L.V. only went through all of this difficulty because he thought that all prophecies must be fulfilled...

There is nothing forcing this one to be fulfilled...
JKR said that the one in the prophecy is Harry, not Neville, not anyone else. Harry is the only one who can kill Voldemort. Over, done, good bye. And by jumping to conclusions, LV made SURE that the prophecy will be fulfilled.

And J.K. Rowling is also known to put little twists and turns in he books...

I don't see why everyone is going to such lengths to predict the book before it comes out... Why bother? J.K. Rowling is obviously more creative than everyone here... Don't you guys think that she would have already thought of such obvious things and purposefully wrote something different... No matter what you guys predict we will all be surprised... Since this is the very last book in the series I doubt that she would leave even the smallest detail to be soo predictable...
JKR had the series roughly mapped out by the time she was done with Philosopher's Stone. And we make predictions because it's fun.

[Serge]

Harry is making sure that the prophecy is going to be fulfilled, and LV started it. So really, it HAS to happen now. :p

And whether or not Dumbledore was right about Harry having to kill LV, Harry believes him and that's all that matters. Also, the prophecy says that LV would mark the child as his equal, and he would be his greatest enemy (something along the lines of that) which pretty much shows that he is going to attempt to kill him.
Exactly.

Snape is bad, though. The whole Snape killing Albus thing is a life lesson for Harry. Letting Harry know that no one is perfect or invincible, not even Big D. Dumbledore himself told Harry that he wasn't perfect, and his fatal flaw was that he was too trusting and too eager to see the good in people. He saw the evil in Voldemort yet still believed he could change. He wasn't fooled by Riddle like everyone else was while Tom was in school, but he still believed he may turn out good.

I think Harry is going to kill both Snape and Voldemort. I think someone like Bellatrix or Crouch Jr. (is he still alive?) will kill Harry in fury after Harry kills HWMNBN. Harry was born to be a hero, and nothing other than a hero. He has no reason to be alive if there isn't a Voldemort for him to thwart. What would Roland be without a Dark Tower to chase after? Nothing. No silly "And Harry and Ginny lived happily ever after." That'd be an insult to heroes everywhere.

I think Regulus _is_ R.A.B., the best place to hide something is right under your readers' noses.

Out of time, will add more later.

[AKGhostGunn3r]

Exactly.

Snape is bad, though. The whole Snape killing Albus thing is a life lesson for Harry. Letting Harry know that no one is perfect or invincible, not even Big D. Dumbledore himself told Harry that he wasn't perfect, and his fatal flaw was that he was too trusting and too eager to see the good in people. He saw the evil in Voldemort yet still believed he could change. He wasn't fooled by Riddle like everyone else was while Tom was in school, but he still believed he may turn out good.

I think Harry is going to kill both Snape and Voldemort. I think someone like Bellatrix or Crouch Jr. (is he still alive?) will kill Harry in fury after Harry kills HWMNBN. Harry was born to be a hero, and nothing other than a hero. He has no reason to be alive if there isn't a Voldemort for him to thwart. What would Roland be without a Dark Tower to chase after? Nothing. No silly "And Harry and Ginny lived happily ever after." That'd be an insult to heroes everywhere.

I think Regulus _is_ R.A.B., the best place to hide something is right under your readers' noses.

Out of time, will add more later.
Nah, Dudley isn't invincible. =D

[Mine]

they all die

[Excaliber]

JKR said that the one in the prophecy is Harry, not Neville, not anyone else. Harry is the only one who can kill Voldemort. Over, done, good bye. And by jumping to conclusions, LV made SURE that the prophecy will be fulfilled.


JKR had the series roughly mapped out by the time she was done with Philosopher's Stone. And we make predictions because it's fun.

Are you reading what I am posting at all? I just said that!!! I just said that L.V. marked Harry as his equal... Harry is not the only one with the capabilities to kill him!!! The prophecy does not have to be fulfilled... What don't you get? Who cares if things have started the way the prophecy said... It is only because L.V. thought that the prophecies must be fulfilled...

Why are you trying to act like a hardass? You act like your words are the word of God and that you know all...

All I am saying is that just because the prophecy is half fulfilled it doesn't mean that it must continue to the end... There is nothing stopping Ron or Hermione from destroying the remaining horcruxes and killing off L.V..

I am not saying that it is likely I am just stating that Harry is not the only one that can kill him...

BTW you were the one jumping to conclusion... If you are soo sure of yourself and you are positive that you know everything then why don't you write the book yourself?

Predicting is saying what you think might happen... Not saying that everyone else is wrong and that your oppinion is all that matters and that you know everything, like you have been doing...

[Zander]

There is nothing stopping Ron or Hermione from destroying the remaining horcruxes and killing off L.V..
Other than the fact that Harry is the only one with "the power to vanquish the dark lord?"
Harry is that person, because Voldemort marked him as his equal.

[Excaliber]

Other than the fact that Harry is the only one with "the power to vanquish the dark lord?"
Harry is that person, because Voldemort marked him as his equal.

Dumbledore said that the prophecy doesn't have to be fulfilled!! He said that there were many prophecies that were never finished...

It also says that neither can live while the other survives... They are obviously both living right now...

The prophecy is just a prophecy... It is not the way things must be...
If they chose the act out the prophecy then that is their choice...

L.V. only attempted to kill Harry when he heard the prophecy because he thought that the prophecy must be fulfilled...

[Zander]

Dumbledore said that the prophecy doesn't have to be fulfilled!! He said that there were many prophecies that were never finished...
Yes, he did say that. The part about having to kill one another does not have to be fulfilled.
The part about him being born, the part about being marked as voldemort's equal and therefore being the one with the power, was already fulfilled.
It also says that neither can live while the other survives... They are obviously both living right now...
That's nothing but a fun way of saying "One nub will kill the other nub"

[Excaliber]

Well I am tired of arguing... I just can't wait until the book comes out... I am going insane...

[Lex]

All this is happening in England and such yes? Well.. what happens when the americans find out and Nuke the crap outta harry potterland. ^^

[Oisin]

Are you reading what I am posting at all? I just said that!!! I just said that L.V. marked Harry as his equal... Harry is not the only one with the capabilities to kill him!!! The prophecy does not have to be fulfilled... What don't you get? Who cares if things have started the way the prophecy said... It is only because L.V. thought that the prophecies must be fulfilled...
Maybe you should reread what I said and think before typing.

Why are you trying to act like a hardass? You act like your words are the word of God and that you know all...
That's one way to interpret them.

All I am saying is that just because the prophecy is half fulfilled it doesn't mean that it must continue to the end... There is nothing stopping Ron or Hermione from destroying the remaining horcruxes and killing off L.V..

I am not saying that it is likely I am just stating that Harry is not the only one that can kill him...
HARRY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN KILL VOLDEMORT

BTW you were the one jumping to conclusion... If you are soo sure of yourself and you are positive that you know everything then why don't you write the book yourself?

Predicting is saying what you think might happen... Not saying that everyone else is wrong and that your oppinion is all that matters and that you know everything, like you have been doing...
Please, tell me where I said that. I'll pay you if you can find it.

[S_K_O_F]

Do you think Harry will make himself Horcruxes?

This is a definate no. You have to murder someone to make a horcrux. Harry will not murder anyone.

[AKGhostGunn3r]

Yeah, it was easy for Voldemort.

[kingedward]

This is a definate no. You have to murder someone to make a horcrux. Harry will not murder anyone.


I completely agree with you about Harry not making horcruxes, but many people think that Harry will murder Voldemort.

[AKGhostGunn3r]

Well, he's supposed to.

[Zander]

I completely agree with you about Harry not making horcruxes, but many people think that Harry will murder Voldemort.
Meh, I'm going to stick with my stubbornness in that killing voldy wouldn't be murder, it would be justice.

Kudos to you for agreeing that he wouldn't make horcruxes, though. That kind of thinking's the same that would be able to realize Dumbledore wouldn't force an unbreakable vow on anyone.

[kingedward]

You are right, Dumbledore would not force that on anyone. He would do it, however, if someone was willing, i think. I do think it would be murder, though...Harry went out with the intent to kill Voldemort, and i consider a murder when someone sets out witht he intent to kill a specific someone or group of someones.

EDIT: AKG makes a good point, however, i stand by what I say that Harry killing Voldemort will be a murder. It will be a justified murder, but a murder nonetheless.

[AKGhostGunn3r]

You are right, Dumbledore would not force that on anyone. He would do it, however, if someone was willing, i think. I do think it would be murder, though...Harry went out with the intent to kill Voldemort, and i consider a murder when someone sets out witht he intent to kill a specific someone or group of someones.
Then what is a normal killing? Walking up to someone and accidentally kill them? That's what Voldemort did, therefore it becomes considered murder. He usually didn't set out with the intent to kill a specific someone, he just did it for fun. A group he particularly enjoyed murdering, however, were Mudbloods. Either way, what Harry is doing is not murder, and the chances are he won't be considered a convicted murderer if he kills Voldemort.

[mushroom_girl]

If you murder someone you don't automatically make a horcrux. So he'd have to choose, and Harry would want to distance himself from ANY likeness to LV, since he's been accused of being somewhat similar in the past.

There's going to be some huge twist that none of us have seen coming, and we're all going to feel stupid for not realizing it. :p

[Mithrandir]

There's going to be some huge twist that none of us have seen coming, and we're all going to feel stupid for not realizing it. :p

I agree. I also think lots of noobs will say AFTER the fact, "oh yeah, I guessed that would happen.":rolleyes:

[phoenixofflames]

Dumbledore would do it, however, if someone was willing, i think.

SEE! zander always shoots down my idea's too soon! what if snape OFFERED an unbreakable vow so dumbledore would trust him?

[S_K_O_F]

I highly doubt that "murder" will be involved with Voldemorts death. Harry will kill Voldemort, but it will not be murder.

[S_K_O_F]

You are right, Dumbledore would not force that on anyone. He would do it, however, if someone was willing, i think. I do think it would be murder, though...Harry went out with the intent to kill Voldemort, and i consider a murder when someone sets out witht he intent to kill a specific someone or group of someones.

EDIT: AKG makes a good point, however, i stand by what I say that Harry killing Voldemort will be a murder. It will be a justified murder, but a murder nonetheless.

Actually, in Harry's case, it still isn't murder. It is self preservation and protecting the innocent. That is not murder, it is defense.
Since Voldemort's goal is death and destruction, and His intention is to kill Harry, out of his own need for self preservation, it really isn't murder when Harry kills him.

Think about the old west. Duels in the streets, whichever man is left standing was not considered a murderer but he killed the other out of self defense.

[S_K_O_F]

The very definition of the word murder makes it impossible that the modifier "justified" could be used in front of it. You would be better suited to use "justified killing."

Harry will not murder Voldemort. You wouldn't call a man who shoots another person while in the act of raping his wife a murderer, would you? Or let's assume that a terrorist is about to set off a bomb in the middle of a large stadium full of people. You kill the terrorist before he has the opportunity. Are you a murderer, now?

[uniquinous]

what exactly are voldemort's intentions? Have they ever really explained that fully?

just general death and destruction of everything?

[Hoolwath]

You kill the terrorist before he has the opportunity. Are you a murderer, now?

Yes. Not morally, but practicly.

If the bomb does not appear to be a can of some sort.

[phoenixofflames]

what exactly are voldemort's intentions? Have they ever really explained that fully?

just general death and destruction of everything?

yeah pretty much =)

he also wants to stay alive, like S_K_O_F said, so thats why he wants to kill harry. he wants to have that feeling of power and control. and, right now...he certainly has it.

[S_K_O_F]

what exactly are voldemort's intentions? Have they ever really explained that fully?

just general death and destruction of everything?

Well, I suppose the only "true" intentions of Voldemorts that we know of is that he wants to kill Harry Potter. I would assume, though, that for the purposes of a self defense case, that is all you would need.

[S_K_O_F]

Yes. Not morally, but practicly.

If the bomb does not appear to be a can of some sort.

by practically, do you mean lawfully? If so, then why are police officers not charged with murder if they shoot and kill a gunman who is threatening to kill a hostage?

There is very little practicality involved. It is preservation of life for the cause of the greater good. It is not murder.

[Zander]

SEE! zander always shoots down my idea's too soon! what if snape OFFERED an unbreakable vow so dumbledore would trust him?
Oh please. If that'd been the case, killing dumbledore definitely would've broken some sort of clause in the vow, and snape would already be dead.

[phoenixofflames]

dumbledore wouldnt let snape go THAT far into an unbreakable, because dumbledore already knew he was gonna die.

[Zander]

Oh, just shoot me in the head now and end my misery.
You've no basis for anything you're saying. >_<

The whole "dumbleore knew he was going to die" theory wasn't instated until after the 6th book came out, as an explanation for all of the history on voldy that dumbledore was teaching harry. If such an unbreakable vow took place, it would've been 15 years ago, long before voldemort returned and dumbledore decided that he needed to divulge as much information to harry as possible before he died to leave harry to do this on his own.

- oh, wait.
You misunderstood.
I was saying that the unbreakable vow would've undoubtedly had some sort of clause stating that snape would not harm or attack dumbledore in any way. Not saying that snape must keep dumbledore alive at all costs. Of course he's going to die eventually, what kind of an idiot would make an unbreakable vow agreeing that, should the other person eventually die in their life, then their own life would be forfeit as well?

[phoenixofflames]

no no, i understood. i guess he wouldve said that in the vow, mayb mayb not. you prob right, i know that, i'm just trying to get some ideas going.

[kingedward]

What do you guys think of Harry being a horcrux himself? I dont think so, but it is possible. We dont know how horcruxes are made...perhaps the spell is prepared before and then when Voldemort killed Harry's parents and then attacked Harry the spell was accidentally set off. This would explain their connection, because Harry and Voldemort have a connection kind of like Voldemort and Nagini, who most believe to be a horcrux.

[S_K_O_F]

What do you guys think of Harry being a horcrux himself? I dont think so, but it is possible. We dont know how horcruxes are made...perhaps the spell is prepared before and then when Voldemort killed Harry's parents and then attacked Harry the spell was accidentally set off. This would explain their connection, because Harry and Voldemort have a connection kind of like Voldemort and Nagini, who most believe to be a horcrux.

That is a longshot. Harry isn't a Horcrux. Actually, I think that would be really stupid if Harry was a Horcrux. The link between Harry and Voldemort has been established, there doesn't need to be anymore more connection.

[Angelic-Hotfox]

has anyone seen this...
http://www.zendurl.com/h/hallows/

what do you make of it? Is it real? It was posted on yahoo! **@!Warning!@ Website contains might-be spoilers!**

[Zander]

I'm going to assume that's the epilogue that surfaced on the internet a week or two ago? I'm kind of amazed it's just now making its way here.

I don't know if it's fake or not, and I don't care to, either. I sure as hell am not going to be reading it. I ordered the book online so that it'd be delivered straight to my door for the sole purpose of avoiding spoilers.

The darker side of me will be laughing, though... when I hear stories about radios airing spoilers, advertisements, store speakers... etc. etc.

[Angelic-Hotfox]

Edit: Black text for those who might not want to see a "might be" spoiler

of course then that website is full of crap because it says "Ron dies" yet in the pics of the Epilogue at the bottom that doesn't seem to be the case...strange :dry:

[Zander]

You betch.:mad:

[Angelic-Hotfox]

You betch.:mad:

whoops shit sorry :) ill shut up now :( I edited it...

[Punishment]

Wuahahhaa

I have read the new harry potter book.

I know what happens :)

It was a pretty good book. It all wraps up pretty nicely at the end.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9283/img3625qh0.jpg

Chapter1!!!

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[The AIDS Virus]

Are those the pic's from the guy who snuck into storage and stole a copy?

[Lex]

They turned right, into a....

Into a what!?!?! damn you puni! The suspense is killign me now, i have to wait till saturday to find out what they turn into!!

[uniquinous]

ack >_< how you temp me Pun!

[Mithrandir]

Yeah Pun, you're pure evil.:mad:

[Magician]

How the hell did you get a copy so early? :(

[Hoolwath]

http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-07/3489_IMG_3632.jpg
http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2007-07/3489_IMG_3633.jpg

[The AIDS Virus]

At least blackout the spoilers Hool. I almost read them!

[OFFLINE]

anyone know the website where i can read it on?

[uniquinous]

it's the first 5 pages....

if you read it... it's ok...



EDIT: i want more :(

[S_K_O_F]

I got the whole book from a torrent. It is the same as Puni and Hoolwath are posting. The only problem is the first page of the 3rd chapter is blurred too much to read, so my girlfriend and I decided to stop reading it and wait till saturday when our preorder is available.

[Punishment]

It was a pain in the ass to read it. I had to like.. tilt my monitor back, get real close and squint.

[steve12]

Ha! I knew you would post again, Puni.

[Angelic-Hotfox]

whats the best bet on getting a copy Saturday without a preorder? Wheres like a place with a bunch of copies that wont sell out within the first hour?

[Defiance]

whats the best bet on getting a copy Saturday without a preorder? Wheres like a place with a bunch of copies that wont sell out within the first hour?


no where.
sadly.
and i wish i could still preorder mine
or have it overnighted.
lol

[Zander]

no where.
sadly.
and i wish i could still preorder mine
or have it overnighted.
lol
You can, here (http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Deathly-Hallows-Book/dp/0545010225/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-6119474-2116157?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184927605&sr=8-1).

[Excaliber]

If you really want it and didn't preorder just go to any store that is open 24 hours a day. Some place like Meijer or Walmart that is always open... The y usually hand out the books right at midnight... I got the last book at KRoger at midnight... There wasn't really that big of a line either... Threr were probably 40 people in line when I was there... I guess people don't really think about going to places like that to get a book... Just stay away from the book stores... They are hopeless.

[The AIDS Virus]

I'm 4th in line to get mine tonight, hehee. I get to cut everyone else at midnight when I go back.

[phoenixofflames]

Just stay away from the book stores... They are hopeless.

Yeah bookstores without a reservation...you'll have to fight someone for it.

Personally i'm not going into any store (making my parents go in). some asshole is gonna be there, buy his copy, then shout the last page and i'll be the smart one that doesnt have his surprises ruined =)

i've had to block a few people on AIM/MSN for trying to tell me what happens...i'll unblock you guys after i finish it...

[VAMP7]

Harry dosent die he marries ginny and has three kids.
Ron marries hermonie and has a kid. Malfoy marries and has a kid. mostly everyone else dies.

[mushroom_girl]

I'm 4th in line to get mine tonight, hehee. I get to cut everyone else at midnight when I go back.

Someone's gonna stab you for doing that....Or put a curse on you! :eek:

[The AIDS Virus]

No way Jose!(aka Liz) I camped out since 11 last night, I deserve to cut them.:)

[Wizzy`]

why do we make a thread everytime Harry Potter comes back? Each thread is like 100 pages.

It's bad.

We should write a harry potter book guys. All of comments.

srslycmon

[kingedward]

We should. Maybe we should have started our own website.

[Wizzy`]

We should. Maybe we should have started our own website.

Maybe..

[Excaliber]

Well I am very excited.... I just got back from Kroger with the Harry Potter book in hand... My sister and I waited about half an hour for it and there was virtually no line at all... The handed out the books at exactly 12:01 and had a special lane for people with the book so they could rush home and begin their long awaited adventure... Well goodbye for now... I am off the read the book...

[Zander]

I don't get to read mine until monday. :(
It's coming in the mail tomorrow... But, people... have to... come... before... harry potter? :\

[DIGID]

I skimmed over spoilers and left as soon as I realized it was spoilers. Anyways, there was something I noticed in the 4th book that I thought might have something to do with the spoilers. The few people I ever mentioned it to said I was stupid. The thing about the glint in Dumbledore's eyes.

[Zander]

Imperius Curse... Dumbledore...? No wai!:eek:

[pils]

Uhm.
Voldemort kills harry.
Voldemort kills himself.
Harry comes back to life...
And 19 years later, harry marries Ginny and has 3 kids.
The end

[Serge]

Got it around midnight at Wal-Mart. Can't read it until my girlfriend calls me to tell me she's about to start so I don't get a head start.

Yeah, I'm a loser.

[OFFLINE]

Got it around midnight at Wal-Mart. Can't read it until my girlfriend calls me to tell me she's about to start so I don't get a head start.

Yeah, I'm a loser.

its that kind of relationship?

[Scorpionz]

JKR said 2 people will die! I hate her.

Spoilers;
I can't believe that Lupin and Tonks are killed! It's just like another Harry Potter story coming along. Although I do like how Teddy gets Bills daughter at the end. :)

Mad-Eye had it coming sorta and Fred was just one of those who had to die because it would be inprobable that no Weasleys would die.

I have had a total change of heart towards Severus and I think hes a hero now. :)

Riddle had it coming really, What can I say. Although I was shocked when I found out Harry was a Horcrux. Damn you conspiarcy people.

[Wizzy`]

Got it around midnight at Wal-Mart. Can't read it until my girlfriend calls me to tell me she's about to start so I don't get a head start.

Yeah, I'm a loser.

You're so cute, serge.

[Kyir]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vas-7a7is

[Wizzy`]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vas-7a7is

ahahaha!
That leeroy is even funnier than the original.

[Kyir]

ahahaha!
That leeroy is even funnier than the original.

That's why I posted, it increases my amazement that these books aren't as good as it.

[Angelic-Hotfox]

Im on chapter 20! :)

[steve12]

I don't read Harry Potter books (I found the first 2 movies kind of cool, though; didn't see any others yet), but I take it this is the last book in the series, right? I have to say, after reading some spoilers, it does sound quite interesting...

[Kyir]

I don't read Harry Potter books (I found the first 2 movies kind of cool, though; didn't see any others yet), but I take it this is the last book in the series, right? I have to say, after reading some spoilers, it does sound quite interesting...

Like, 70% of the characters die, sounds like pretty terrible writing to me : / Killing off characters for filler isn't a good story.

[Scorpionz]

I have to admit, There were a few unnessecery killings in it. The parents had a new born kid for heavens sake. :(

Oh... He loses his Firebolt.

[emerald slasher]

finally finished it 8)

[kingedward]

I got it at midnight at last night, and started at 10 this morning. 9 hours of reading this later...i finished. Completely unexpecteded ending, but I like how she did it. I think that she wrote this and wrapped it up very nicely. Definitely the best book in the series.

[l2oving Elve]

Well Harry, Ron and Hermiony won't die in the 7th book. This is what JK Rowling has said herself, although there must be a twist, and there has to be a link with the Phropecy.

But I don't think Dumbledore did die.

Harry does die, so does Anastor "Mad-Eye" Moody, Lupin, Professeor Snape, Tom Riddle "Voldemort", that house elf guy... And lots more. :(

EDIT: Sorry i ruined that part... Actually another guy did on another thread in this.

"I dont like you" Lol so you negged me for this? Thats pretty pathetic.

[Oisin]

O rly? That's funny because the other thread clearly said "SPOILER ALERT," while your's did not. You, sir, are an idiot.

[Angelic-Hotfox]

Harry does die, so does Anastor "Mad-Eye" Moody, Lupin, Professeor Snape, Tom Riddle "Voldemort", that house elf guy... And lots more. :(

EDIT: Sorry i ruined that part... Actually another guy did on another thread in this.

thats not even right...Harry never "dies"

[Kyir]

After reading about 1/3 of the book. I really do think that people are being killed off as filler.

[steve12]

I think the movie will be pretty entertaining.

[Anarchy_United]

After reading about 1/3 of the book. I really do think that people are being killed off as filler.

Filler? Try Realism. They are fighting a freaking dark lord, one of the greatest magic users EVER. People are going to die, it is a war. If no one died, it would not be realistic. The Death Eaters tactics are killing and intimination, people are going to die.

[Kyir]

Filler? Try Realism. They are fighting a freaking dark lord, one of the greatest magic users EVER. People are going to die, it is a war. If no one died, it would not be realistic. The Death Eaters tactics are killing and intimination, people are going to die.

People are going to die, but do they all need like, 5 pages about it?

[Anarchy_United]

People are going to die, but do they all need like, 5 pages about it?

Not all of them do, but not all of them get five pages. Dobby deserves 5 pages about his death, because of how deaply symbolic his death is. The book starts off slower, and picks up around a 1/3 of the way through, just so you know.

[Kyir]

Not all of them do, but not all of them get five pages. Dobby deserves 5 pages about his death, because of how deaply symbolic his death is. The book starts off slower, and picks up around a 1/3 of the way through, just so you know.

So more filler? YAY!

Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed with the way it's going so far : /

[Anarchy_United]

So more filler? YAY!

Honestly, I'm kinda disappointed with the way it's going so far : /

Dobby's death isn't filler. Believe me, the book picks up.

[dirka dirka]

Get A Life

[The AIDS Virus]

Not all of them do, but not all of them get five pages. Dobby deserves 5 pages about his death, because of how deaply symbolic his death is. The book starts off slower, and picks up around a 1/3 of the way through, just so you know.

I actually thought that the whole middle part where they were running around doing squat was pretty boring.

[DIGID]

I do find the amount of deaths somewhat sad, but nearly half the Order died last time.

Also, the last happy ending was in the Chamber of Secrets.

[Merdoc.]

People are going to die, but do they all need like, 5 pages about it?

They can't Sheep then Frost Nova? Bads..

[Kyir]

They can't Sheep then Frost Nova? Bads..

I expected at least an Ice Lance.

[Merdoc.]

touche

[Doctor Nipples]

Dobby's death isn't filler. Believe me, the book picks up.

Was dobby that guy who loved socks?

[inked]

Yes Nipples, it was.

Awesome, Nipples.

Good job, Nipples.

Nipples.

[Unforgottner]

I'm on page 206 right now.

[phoenixofflames]

finished it saturday night =)

SPOILER ALERT IN BLACK TEXT BELOW. IF YOU ARENT DONE I DONT RECOMMEND HIGHLIGHTING MY POST.

harry being a horcrux? LAME. hated that. ron and hermione, harry and ginny, come on....i mean i guess it kinda ties it up, but still none of them died :/ neville killing nagini with the sword was kickass though. and at the end, when voldemort died to his own curse, was that because the wand hadnt shot it before harry took the wand, and then once harry was holding it, it shot? or was it because it rebounded off of harry. i'm a bit confused on that. and the fact the fact that the diadem had no protection accept that summoning charms dont work on it was a bit unbelievable. crabbe casting that demonic fiendfyre seemed a bit out of his league. and when dumbledore took the potion in HB6, and was begging for mercy and saying he didnt mean to, i thought something might be up, but NOOO! zander had to shoot me down! take that zander!

[mushroom_girl]

ANSWER IN BLACK!:
The Elder Wand belonged to Harry, and therefore wouldn't attack him. At least that's what I understand.

[xerent]

Riddle shot the curse, but it rebounded off of Harry's Expelliramus, mostly due to what M_G said.

[phoenixofflames]

xerent black text!

i think MG is right, that it rebounded off the elder wand, but i dont think it would rebound off expeliarmus because expeliarmus wouldnt have happened unless it had hit voldemort already, so the curse had to be fully completed and gone before the elder wand was harrys. if they had collided, neither would have worked.
oh and another thing
how come snape didnt die immediately when hit by the killing curse? he had like 10 seconds to breath and give on his memories!

[mushroom_girl]

OMG BLACK TEXT!
I think because the Elder Wand didn't want to work for LV, therefore wouldn't use full power.

[Wizzy`]

OMG BLACK TEXT

jk

[phoenixofflames]

WHOOPS i forgot
OMG i just realized i was EXPECTING voldemort to use avada kedavra (which in latin means: i destroy as i speak) but he used the snake. whoops. omg. whoops.

[phoenixofflames]

double, sorry sorry.

another thing:
i put a link in here about snape being trusted because of his patronus. the editorial said "mayB it was a phoenix or some other creature of good" something like that. that was pretty close, considering his patronus was important.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

STOP IT!!

Its too tempting!!!

I havent even bought the friggin book yet! :(

[Unforgottner]

I cant wait to finish it just so I can see what you guys are black texting.

[phoenixofflames]

Honestly, fight the urge. it'll ruin everything.

[The AIDS Virus]

Oh hey black text:
Can someone explain how Harry lives again? That seemed kind of wrong...

[Wizzy`]

Black Text. Not really a spoiler, just decided to make it black. :D

Because he's Harry freakin' Potter.

[phoenixofflames]

ehhh

BLACK TEXT again :/

i'm guessing the first avada kedavra was killing the piece of voldemorts soul inside harry, and not harry himself. harry just felt weird for having voldemort removed from him. kind of like how the ring was still fine after it wasnt a horcrux, even though the ring should have died.

[The AIDS Virus]

Only JKR could kill an inatimate object...

[bludhoundz]

*Spoiler*

So what was up with Harry being ready to die? I understand that nobody has been like that in front of the killing curse, but how did that make the difference between it killing him completely and just killing the voldemort part of him?

[Anarchy_United]

*Spoiler*
SOCKS!

[Unforgottner]

I stayed up till 5 30 in the morning to finish it.

and it was wow.

[†twilight_drag†]

I was actually disappointed with the book guys...I must say I thought there would be more...blud I'll answer that for you, but I do not have the time to go into it here, so I'll talk with you when I see ya!

[phoenixofflames]

BLUDZ, read below

i think its exactly as you said, it never killed harry it just killed the piece of soul in him. i dont think him going willingly had to do with it not killing him. remember when dumbledore used the sword on the ring? the ring was fine afterwards, it was just the soul that disapeared. i think the only thing that going willingly helps is, as harry himself said, during the fight afterwards no one died just like harry didnt die when his mother was ready to die willingly.

[†twilight_drag†]

To answer you both:
The only reason Harry actually was able to live an this is explained, is because...Riddle used harrys blood when he resurrected himself so bcuz he had harrys blood inside him harry could live on. That is why only the soul was removed, and only riddle could of destroyed that horcrux, make sense now?

[mushroom_girl]

To Budz: basically what twilight said.
MORE BLACK TEXT!
Also, since he willingly sacrificed himself for everyone in Hogwarts, none of the curses that LV used on them could work. The same magic his mother used on Harry worked for his friends. I thought that was pretty cool. :)

[†twilight_drag†]

Rawr, and more black text!:
Well, as harry said: "You can't torture them. You can't touch them. You don't learn from your mistakes, Riddle, do you?" Harry just put a foot up Lv's ass with that line, *victory dance*

[S_K_O_F]

Just finished it. I won't complain about the story. It wasn't mine. I thoroughly enjoyed the entire series and I think JK finished it up nicely.

*Spoiler*
It took 7 freaking books and finally, Harry showed the power that we were wanting from him all along. No more mediocrity.

I bet Ginny was a MILF!

I am glad that the ending was thoroughly happy. I love happy endings.

[EleMENTAL]

I have a questions:

What was the thing that was crying and moaning when Harry was talking to Dumbledore? I don't think she ever explained to us what it was.

[mushroom_girl]

DUNDUNDUN:
black text!
It was the part of LV in Harry.

[phoenixofflames]

mm i wanted to know that too. the only thing that still annoys me is:

how voldy HAPPENED to choose to give neville the sorting hat to pull the sword out of. i dont think that the first thing that comes to mind would be "hey lemme put a burning hat on his head and full body bind him". he couldve just full body binded him and set his clothes on fire, but he had to give him something to kill nagini with :/ seems too coincidental.

[mushroom_girl]

@Phoenix:
He was signifying no more sorting in the school. It made sense, it wasn't just random.

[EleMENTAL]

DUNDUNDUN:
black text!


Where in the book does it say that?

[mushroom_girl]

Where in the book does it say that?

I'm just guessing, really. It makes sense to me. :)

[EleMENTAL]

I'm just guessing, really. It makes sense to me. :)

I can see how it makes sense, but I think that is the one thing she left unknown to us.

[Wizzy`]

Snape Kills Dumbledore!!

[The AIDS Virus]

Snape Kills Dumbledore!!

That has to be the funniest video ever.

[-57-]

Epilogue sucked dick. That really pissed me off, there was NO point to it, it told us everything we already knew would happen.

I personally think (Cause cha'know I'ma always right) she should have just gone down in list format with everybodies names and just a few sentences about whats goin down with them.

[The AIDS Virus]

I second what fiddy said.

[S_K_O_F]

*Spoiler*
The entire epilogue could have been summed up to "...and they live happily ever after."

[†twilight_drag†]

I can see how it makes sense, but I think that is the one thing she left unknown to us.

Just remember back when Harry says "I've seen what you'll become, do yourself a favor show some remorse..." something like that could be referring to what he saw at Kings Cross.
I'm pretty sure what he saw there, was voldemort, and how tainted his soul was...

[Zander]

You should know what to do by now, if you haven't read the book...

Oh ma gawd, snape was good!!1! BUT HE KILLED DUMBLEDORE, HOW COULD BE BE GooD?!:eek:
I think the movie will be pretty entertaining.
I think I'll hate the movie with a passion.

Don't quote this post if you haven't read the book. If you do, cut out the black text.

[imagination]

good book ... i liked some of the others better but then again i always find the "wrap it all up" book to be somewhat of a let down most of the time anyways. i think i may get the books on tape or something as i want to read/hear them all in unison but reading every single one right after then next would probably take me a looooooooonnnnnnnngggggg time and i dont really want to dedicate myself to that. not being fresh witht he other books some of the parts were a little confusing.