Account problems on GL and Armageddon

[serg]

Some gold accounts were removed from Great Lakes and Armageddon servers last night during the server migration.

If your account got affected, here is the fastest way to get it back:
1. Try to login to your server. If you get "invalid name or password" error message then try to recreate your account.
2. Submit a ticket (http://www.tacticsarena.com/gold/support.php) and provide your previous rating and list of any extra drop units you had. If you were not able to recreate your account because it was already taken, please provide a new password as well.

This time accounts were not blocked, so you should be able to recreate them without any problems.

If you don't know your subscription ID, here is detailed instructions on how to find it:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/announcement.php?f=17

In the next few days support tickets will be resolved several times a day to make sure all problems get resolved as soon as possible.

We apologize for all the trouble.

Thank you.

[dirka dirka]

First.


Thanks serg.

[Silver Coast]

God..You have no idea how much trouble this is causing me.

[gryph89]

Serg, wasn't GL already Migrated? I mean, isn't that why we all lost our accounts the first time around?

Since you said other servers, is GL being migrated again?

[serg]

Our hoster had to move servers from one location to another once again, it is not something we planned. And seems like our servers don't like to be moved.

[VAMP7]

Then don't move them.

[gryph89]

Our hoster had to move servers from one location to another once again, it is not something we planned. And seems like our servers don't like to be moved.

Thanks for clearing that up, I've been wondering about that most of the day. Now that I know it wasn't completely FPS's fault, it loweres my anger :P

[Cuathon]

i wrote one ticket to reinstate all my accounts plus i mentioned crackclassa and ricardu cause i use them the most. well im the only current user. and i know they are still payed for. if i have to write tickets for all my accounts, i might just kill someone.

[Silver Coast]

Lol you don't have to. Just include the names and stats of all the accounts you want back. You can include drops if you want, but honestly trying to remember all the drops you had just isn't worth it. I guess you could try to ask for 2 DSMS and 4 dragons :rolleyes: but otherwise I don't think it's worth doing that.

[Cuathon]

well crackclassa had 2 dragons 2 DSMs 2 wisps and 2 frosts on GL.
although you can only use the extra wisp dsm and frost. dragons were limited to one on the field.

[Forest_Archer]

No one helped me last time I sent in a help ticket. My account was reset back to 750 and all my drops were gone. Have things changed, so to speak? Because nothing has physically changed in TAO.

[Cuathon]

you must request the stats you had and the drops you had. ive had to restore Matrim, my 1700 once before. but i didnt even bother with drops. they are worthless to golds.

[~X-Doomsday~]

And if accounts were leaders is there anyway to get the clan back, Or do you have to do hwat AL did and have a new name??

[Zander]

This is some damn bullshit.
I upgraded an account, and then before the actual upgrade could take place, GL went down for, what, a few weeks? The account was eventually(an entire month after paying for the upgrade) reupgraded and put back onto the server, at 750. The accounts stats were 1548, and it had an incredibly vast amount of drops. The stats weren't restored as I was specifically told in a pm by serg that they would be. Now the account's gone, again.

You run the damn game. Try to do so in the correct manner.

[steve12]

I can't wait to send in another ticket. Please get your act together, although it's not entirely YOUR fault!

[Magician]

Cheers for the head's up. Hope everything works out alright.

*Lost Magician again* :dry:

[Silver Coast]

Mag you may have already heard this but some jackass went around and recreated some of the ranked accounts so now our names have been taken :dry:. Someone recreated Magician with a lower case "m" :eek:.

[metalcore]

well i have a complain, i went on great lakes right now and check some stats, and i noticed that this guy name dresicos is a totally idiot and a cheater, he asked for his account to be re-created with 1590 stats, which was a totally lied, 27 <The.Arcadian.Legends> Dresicos 1578 , as you can see in the ranking table, he should be banned or delete it for such a lie and for cheating.

[Lex]

well i have a complain, i went on great lakes right now and check some stats, and i noticed that this guy name dresicos is a totally idiot and a cheater, he asked for his account to be re-created with 1590 stats, which was a totally lied, 27 <The.Arcadian.Legends> Dresicos 1578 , as you can see in the ranking table, he should be banned or delete it for such a lie and for cheating.

Metal core, what if he got 12 stats on saturday? omg what a cheater, how dare you play on saturday! /ban.

[Silver Coast]

well i have a complain, i went on great lakes right now and check some stats, and i noticed that this guy name dresicos is a totally idiot and a cheater, he asked for his account to be re-created with 1590 stats, which was a totally lied, 27 <The.Arcadian.Legends> Dresicos 1578 , as you can see in the ranking table, he should be banned or delete it for such a lie and for cheating.

Lol metalcore. He played and got 12 stat on Saturday. I saw him play :dry:. I doubt he would be banned because he played on Saturday..

[metalcore]

arena, its obvious you defend him cause your his friend, and it can even be possible dresicos post on coast arena, since each other have password of each other accounts, dont lie you havent seen him play dude, i checked his stats at night before the server migration and he was still 1578, he hasnt been on dresicos at all yesterday, and if he did, why doesnt he name the ppl he played or show the s/s, cause im pretty sure he cheated and took advantate of this issue, he has only been playing on syko and arcadean legend. so dont even try.

[steve12]

well i have a complain, i went on great lakes right now and check some stats, and i noticed that this guy name dresicos is a totally idiot and a cheater, he asked for his account to be re-created with 1590 stats, which was a totally lied, 27 <The.Arcadian.Legends> Dresicos 1578 , as you can see in the ranking table, he should be banned or delete it for such a lie and for cheating.

arena, its obvious you defend him cause your his friend, and it can even be possible dresicos post on coast arena, since each other have password of each other accounts, dont lie you havent seen him play dude, i checked his stats at night before the server migration and he was still 1578, he hasnt been on dresicos at all yesterday, and if he did, why doesnt he name the ppl he played or show the s/s, cause im pretty sure he cheated and took advantate of this issue, he has only been playing on syko and arcadean legend. so dont even try.


It's believable, but 12 stats isn't too big of a deal..

[Lex]

arena, its obvious you defend him cause your his friend, and it can even be possible dresicos post on coast arena, since each other have password of each other accounts, dont lie you havent seen him play dude, i checked his stats at night before the server migration and he was still 1578, he hasnt been on dresicos at all yesterday, and if he did, why doesnt he name the ppl he played or show the s/s, cause im pretty sure he cheated and took advantate of this issue, he has only been playing on syko and arcadean legend. so dont even try.

You call out his lack fo proof... where's your proof? show us a s/s of his stats being 1578 the night before the server migration...

[metalcore]

dude why would i take a s/s of him a night before for no reasons? just go on the lobby and start taking s/s of everyones stats? no dude, only cuz theres no proof doesnt mean it didnt happen, every gold on gl knows he hardly ever plays on dresicos, and thats something any could have done, and theres no way of having proof, anyone could have done it and get away with it, cause how the hell would someone have proof of that? all i can do is assure u that he cheated, and i think mods are the only one who can actaully find out the truth.

[Silver Coast]

arena, its obvious you defend him cause your his friend, and it can even be possible dresicos post on coast arena, since each other have password of each other accounts, dont lie you havent seen him play dude, i checked his stats at night before the server migration and he was still 1578, he hasnt been on dresicos at all yesterday, and if he did, why doesnt he name the ppl he played or show the s/s, cause im pretty sure he cheated and took advantate of this issue, he has only been playing on syko and arcadean legend. so dont even try.

Wow I'm surprised you know that much..

Who are you again? :confused:

[metalcore]

and ya 12 stats isnt probably a big deal, but its still cheating and a reason to be delete it.

[pils]

If you don't have proof of him cheating then shut up and go away.
noob.

[Silver Coast]

and ya 12 stats isnt probably a big deal, but its still cheating and a reason to be delete it.

Honestly. I don't think anyone cares anymore. At least tell me who you are :dry:.

[metalcore]

pils did u not read wat i said u retard? tell me how can possibly someone have a proof of cheating in this situation? theres no way there would be, and only cause i dont have a damn proof it doesnt mean it didnt happen, and arena knows im damn right, and actually pils, if this doesnt have anything to do with you, or its not your account, then just stay out of it, and stop trying to defend him only cause you both are on TE, and one more thing u dont even call me noob when u have no idea who am i, loser. if nobody cares, then its fine, just the mods should becareful with recreating accounts.

[Lex]

pils did u not read wat i said u retard? tell me how can possibly someone have a proof of cheating in this situation? theres no way there would be, and only cause i dont have a damn proof it doesnt mean it didnt happen, and arena knows im damn right, and actually pils, if this doesnt have anything to do with you, or its not your account, then just stay out of it, and stop trying to defend him only cause you both are on TE, and one more thing u dont even call me noob when u have no idea who am i, loser. if nobody cares, then its fine, just the mods should becareful with recreating accounts.

You expect him to have a s/s of every game he plays and his stats everynight, and yet you can't let us expect you to have a s/s tp back your cheating argument?That doesn't seem at all fair.

[Silver Coast]

Look core, I'm not going to even bother with this conversation anymore till you tell me who you are. I doubt Dre would do that.

[metalcore]

lex, thats way different, dresicos always take s/s of his games, and anyone can take s/s of their games and their stats, it can even be normal, alot of ppl do that, but having a s/s of this or someone boosting its alot harder, like i said, theres no way of someone have a proof this did even if he did it. i just know he did cause i saw his stats last night, and i know he hasnt play on dresicos, in fact, all the games he has played on dresicos lately he has lost them, he hasnt even been playing on it, he only plays on syko, anton, and the arcadian legend, he has told everyone on gl that he doesnt play on dresicos cause hes raising the other accounts and he wants them 1500+ he even says that nobody even plays on dresicos lol aint that truth? everyone has seem him saying that himself, he has said that hes helping arcadian legend by raising the stats of the other accounts, thats why he hasnt play a damn game on dresicos.

[~X-Doomsday~]

un less you have proof he did, which you say is impossible, and he doesnt have proof which is very possible then how does your opinion beat his.

[Magician]

Mag you may have already heard this but some jackass went around and recreated some of the ranked accounts so now our names have been taken :dry:. Someone recreated Magician with a lower case "m" :eek:.

I got all that sorted. :) Kudos to the Support Desk for the help.

well i have a complain, i went on great lakes right now and check some stats, and i noticed that this guy name dresicos is a totally idiot and a cheater, he asked for his account to be re-created with 1590 stats, which was a totally lied, 27 <The.Arcadian.Legends> Dresicos 1578 , as you can see in the ranking table, he should be banned or delete it for such a lie and for cheating.

What about my stats, metalcore? Are you going to say - based on this "evidence" - that I too "boosted" my stats to 1861, because they are 5 stats higher than the last rankings update? :mad:

[pils]

pils did u not read wat i said u retard? tell me how can possibly someone have a proof of cheating in this situation? theres no way there would be, and only cause i dont have a damn proof it doesnt mean it didnt happen, and arena knows im damn right, and actually pils, if this doesnt have anything to do with you, or its not your account, then just stay out of it, and stop trying to defend him only cause you both are on TE, and one more thing u dont even call me noob when u have no idea who am i, loser. if nobody cares, then its fine, just the mods should becareful with recreating accounts.

lol
damn damn damn
loser this
retard that

Exactly theres no way to prove that he did this. So it ends there, if you are so smart you should know very well that not much can be done without proof. Regardless of whether it happened or not...
And when it comes to him proving his innocence why should he have to? I know I certainly don't take random s/s of my stats... I rarely s/s my games at all, unless they are worth a battle report. So why should he?
When the only one saying he is guilty is some noob who acts all high and mighty. lol

Maybe he started playing on dresicos again...
And meh you saying that I defend him because of our TE relations is stupid...
You are probably just targeting him because you are some nub loser who has something against TE.

[uniquinous]

only cuz theres no proof doesnt mean it didnt happen.This is true. Just because someone doesn't have proof doesn't mean an event didn't occur. HOWEVER, without proof, it doesn't much matter, as no action will be nor should be taken.

If it did happen, then it's an unfortunate slip on our justice. If it didn't happen, then what does that say about your current actions?

Metalcore, I'm not one to sit by idly as someone gets on an anonymous account and tries to smear the name of an otherwise honorable player without proof. I'll let you wrap things up and say your final words, but I know who you are, and I'm not going to allow you to continue nipping at his heals from the shadows for much longer.

IF Dresicos would like to come forward and admit something to me in private, I'd be happy to address any and all issues, correct stats without deleting an account, and put all of this behind us. Thanks.

[steve12]

This is true. Just because someone doesn't have proof doesn't mean an event didn't occur. HOWEVER, without proof, it doesn't much matter, as no action will be nor should be taken.

If it did happen, then it's an unfortunate slip on our justice. If it didn't happen, then what does that say about your current actions?

Metalcore, I'm not one to sit by idly as someone gets on an anonymous account and tries to smear the name of an otherwise honorable player without proof. I'll let you wrap things up and say your final words, but I know who you are, and I'm not going to allow you to continue nipping at his heals from the shadows for much longer.
IF Dresicos would like to come forward and admit something to me in private, I'd be happy to address any and all issues, correct stats without deleting an account, and put all of this behind us. Thanks.

I'm sure many of us would like to know. If something isn't done, care to tell us?

[Silver Coast]

I'm dying to know..

I asked first :p.

[pils]

Metalcore, I'm not one to sit by idly as someone gets on an anonymous account and tries to smear the name of an otherwise honorable player without proof.

Psh... $20 says this, or something close, goes in Dres' sig.

[Silver Coast]

Lol, Dre would be all over this in seconds when he logs on :p.

[steve12]

Uniq, ya better edit that quick. ;)

[Silver Coast]

Let's see who gets to it first :p. I got $10 on Dre, he posts like crazy when he's on. I bet he'll do the same when he hears of this xD.

[serg]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to thank you for your patience again. We are recreating the lost accounts as quickly as we can. Keep those tickets coming!

[pils]

Well here is one thing that I think a lot of you will feel was a plus that came from this server upgrade stuff:

Justin/obi-wan/teamusa has terminated the gold sponsorship program on TAO... Hes gone forever.
These were his last words (on teamiea forums)

On July 15, 2007 Tactics Arena Online performed a “server migration” that caused all sponsored game accounts to be deleted.

In May, 2007 the same thing happened. Tactics Arena Online performed a “server upgrade” and all sponsored game accounts were deleted.

As a result of constant problems and outages by Tactics Arena we have decided to terminate the sponsorship program. Much time and effort is required to recreate and manage sponsored game accounts. In the future we hope to start a new online game sponsorship program with a more stable Game Provider.
There goes my gold fun. :(
:p

This was kinda covered up so yeah... :p

[Dresicos]

Whoa, just wanna say thanks to all of you who were defending me when I wans't even on.

This metalcore guy is somebody obviously not new and is too scared to come out on their real account to try and frame me.

When I sent the ticket to serg >_> I did lie about my drops. I told him I had a lot of clerics, which I did have before the first account delete (Server Upgrade) but when I got my account back I never said I had those drops. I kinda lied because I wanted a head start again to get my 10 cleric set back.

I am sorry I lied about that, but 12 stats? If I was going to lie about stats I would of defenitly told him to put me at 1650 or something. Not something I could easliy get by beating Lieut or Deto.

[Lord Shinok]

One question: What about the stolen accounts? Can we do something about it?

[Zander]

Just provide a new password with your subscription number and it'll be all yours again.

[Dresicos]

I would sugest this (I was given this idea by Mantis33), send a ticket and tell them to fix the accounts with all the basic info you should give them and the password they have on rev.

Its a win win right?

[Lord Shinok]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[mantis33]

Lolzors at metalcore hiding on that account. :p

How pathetic.

[VAMP7]

Some gold accounts were removed from Great Lakes and Armageddon servers last night during the server migration.

If your account got affected, here is the fastest way to get it back:
1. Try to login to your server. If you get "invalid name or password" error message then try to recreate your account.
2. Submit a ticket (http://www.tacticsarena.com/gold/support.php) and provide your previous rating and list of any extra drop units you had. If you were not able to recreate your account because it was already taken, please provide a new password as well.

This time accounts were not blocked, so you should be able to recreate them without any problems.

If you don't know your subscription ID, here is detailed instructions on how to find it:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/announcement.php?f=17

In the next few days support tickets will be resolved several times a day to make sure all problems get resolved as soon as possible.

We apologize for all the trouble.

Thank you.

Do we list the problems / unit drops under ticket description? Also can we create New named accounts with the previous unit drops and stats?

[Lord Shinok]

Vamp, just stick with 750, don't get 1400+, cuz you're not good and you won't play anyone. :)

[metalcore]

lol
damn damn damn
loser this
retard that

Exactly theres no way to prove that he did this. So it ends there, if you are so smart you should know very well that not much can be done without proof. Regardless of whether it happened or not...
And when it comes to him proving his innocence why should he have to? I know I certainly don't take random s/s of my stats... I rarely s/s my games at all, unless they are worth a battle report. So why should he?
When the only one saying he is guilty is some noob who acts all high and mighty. lol

Maybe he started playing on dresicos again...
And meh you saying that I defend him because of our TE relations is stupid...
You are probably just targeting him because you are some nub loser who has something against TE.


pils just go away loser, you dont even got anything to do in here, wat i just said are not my words, those are dresicos own words, he never plays on dresicos cause he says he doesnt get any games on it, and yesterday i was on gl, and he has only been playin gon syko, so dont say MAYBE he started playing on dresicos again cause u dont know crap, and this doesnt have anything to do with TE u retard, cause dresicos account is on AL not TE, and no i dont got anything against TE.

[metalcore]

mantis and equitas, i aint hiding behind another account, this is my only forum account and ive been posting for a while, u can even go and check the thread of gold jumpers, or unless u can tell me if i have another forum account? cause there isnt, and about saying who i am? i dont think theres any rule or anything that forces me to say my name or my acc name or anything, or i havent seen any rule saying that i have to tell who am i everytime i post or accuse anyone about anything, ive heard every forum member has the right of remain annonymus if they want.

[pils]

pils just go away loser, you dont even got anything to do in here, wat i just said are not my words, those are dresicos own words, he never plays on dresicos cause he says he doesnt get any games on it, and yesterday i was on gl, and he has only been playin gon syko, so dont say MAYBE he started playing on dresicos again cause u dont know crap, and this doesnt have anything to do with TE u retard, cause dresicos account is on AL not TE, and no i dont got anything against TE.

lol you are the one to say that I am defending dres because I'm in TE with him...
LMAO "retard"

[VAMP7]

Vamp, just stick with 750, don't get 1400+, cuz you're not good and you won't play anyone. :)

I just won't play people who nag me.:dry:

[mantis33]

I wouldn't call uniq out on it, he can check your IP and he DOES know your main account's name.

[Zander]

mantis and equitas, i aint hiding behind another account, this is my only forum account and ive been posting for a while, u can even go and check the thread of gold jumpers, or unless u can tell me if i have another forum account? cause there isnt, and about saying who i am? i dont think theres any rule or anything that forces me to say my name or my acc name or anything, or i havent seen any rule saying that i have to tell who am i everytime i post or accuse anyone about anything, ive heard every forum member has the right of remain annonymus if they want.
Sounds like deepsea to me.:rolleyes:
Just sayin'...

[Lex]

Double post >.> <.<

[Lex]

I just won't play people who nag me.:dry:

Or with gold units.

[Dresicos]

Sounds like deepsea to me.:rolleyes:
Just sayin'...

I actually think it may be Guitargod.

[uniquinous]

ive heard every forum member has the right of remain annonymus if they want.
you *heard* you have a *right*? First thing's first: you have no rights here.

Where I come from, people take responsibility for their words and actions. I find it incredibly hypocritical that you are demanding "truth" from this person you attack, yet won't give any yourself. Such cowardice may not have a direct rule against it, but I for one don't find it too acceptable.

Reveal yourself to them, reveal your proof, or put it to rest. Continuing this little fiasco in no way helps your goals.

[pils]

Well here is one thing that I think a lot of you will feel was a plus that came from this server upgrade stuff:

Justin/obi-wan/teamusa has terminated the gold sponsorship program on TAO... Hes gone forever.
These were his last words (on teamiea forums)

On July 15, 2007 Tactics Arena Online performed a “server migration” that caused all sponsored game accounts to be deleted.

In May, 2007 the same thing happened. Tactics Arena Online performed a “server upgrade” and all sponsored game accounts were deleted.

As a result of constant problems and outages by Tactics Arena we have decided to terminate the sponsorship program. Much time and effort is required to recreate and manage sponsored game accounts. In the future we hope to start a new online game sponsorship program with a more stable Game Provider.
There goes my gold fun. :(
:p

This was kinda covered up... :p
Re-post ftw

[dirka dirka]

Is anybody surprised by the horrible lack of quality in managing TAO? I mean.. come on. They made uniq into a mod.

[pils]

Are you really surprised...
I mean... Its not like this is news. :p

[Defiance]

Metal, you constantly say "You dont know crap" or, "Why doesnt he have any s/s"

In a court of law, which is presumably like this, "With any reasonable doubt, you cannot convict the defendant of anything". YOU have no s/s of ANYTHING.


You, OBVIOUSLY, Know nothing, since YOU first accused another member of defending some1, because of their "ties" and then you turned around, and stated "stay out of this, you dont even have anything to do with him, his account is not associated with his."

Before you decide to accuse any1 of anything, perhaps you should justify yourself. You say that you only have one account name, and you have posted many times, when you have no signature, AND only 19 posts?
Hrmmm....... Sounds a bit fishy. Perhaps you are some1 not so low down the totem pole, who has something against Dresicos?

[meat.eater]

Well here is one thing that I think a lot of you will feel was a plus that came from this server upgrade stuff:

Justin/obi-wan/teamusa has terminated the gold sponsorship program on TAO... Hes gone forever.
These were his last words (on teamiea forums)


There goes my gold fun. :(
:p

This was kinda covered up... :p
Re-post ftw

What I'm sure he failed to mention is that he was IP banned from all components of tacticsarena.com, therefore deleting all of his account "sponsorships" as well.

In other words, dont try to assume he's rallying troops because he actually genuinely dislikes customer service; He didnt really have a choice. He's just a troublemaker who got what was coming to him.

[*Sanosuke*]

pils just go away loser, you dont even got anything to do in here, wat i just said are not my words, those are dresicos own words, he never plays on dresicos cause he says he doesnt get any games on it, and yesterday i was on gl, and he has only been playin gon syko, so dont say MAYBE he started playing on dresicos again cause u dont know crap, and this doesnt have anything to do with TE u retard, cause dresicos account is on AL not TE, and no i dont got anything against TE.

Don't even start calling out pils now. Just because its about Everyone in this thread vs You doesn't mean you can lash at the others. Since when do you know dresicos so well? Why continue to fight? Are you blind or do you just see this argument going in circles and just won't give up until you have the last words. /sarcasm- metalcore, goodjob on your end on leaving out vital parts to contribute to your accusations. /end sarcasm.

If TAO was run by someone's word vs another man's word then there wouldn't be a "system" like the one tao uses - "G0 g3t 4n 5/5 n00b~!"

this is you - "Dresicos doesn't play on his MAIN account anymore!! He needs to s/s every game he plays!"

Listen, why make it so he has to s/s every game and you not s/s his stats? You're a user with 19 posts accusing a popular player of cheating. NEWS FLASH buddy, you aren't going win. Big whoop, its 12 stat. Since when does 12 stat matter? WHY does it matter so much to YOU in particular? Do you hold a personal grudge? If this where some number of the stat gained at least like 75 then it'd be some-what taken seriously.

P.S. Your grammar sucks.

[Defiance]

BBBBBBBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNN

i love you.

[mushroom_girl]

You run the damn game. Try to do so in the correct manner.
Zander, this really wasn't his fault. He HAD to move because his host moved. He had no choice and he couldn't have wanted this to happen. It's ok to be angry, but it's not his fault. Serg is dealing with this as quickly as possible, as you can see by his presence lately and all of the fixed accounts already

and ya 12 stats isnt probably a big deal, but its still cheating and a reason to be delete it.
I told Dres to his face that I don't like him, but I doubt he would ask for 12 stats that he didn't earn. I completely believe that he played and earned those stats before his account got deleted. Back off, you lose.

[Zander]

Zander, this really wasn't his fault. He HAD to move because his host moved. He had no choice and he couldn't have wanted this to happen. It's ok to be angry, but it's not his fault. Serg is dealing with this as quickly as possible, as you can see by his presence lately and all of the fixed accounts already
I know it isn't his "fault," there was just a lack of anyone else to blame really, and I was a tad pissed.
What was causing me to be upset was more the fact that my subscription number wasn't exactly easily obtainable. In order to get it, I have to call my mom who's 3 hours ahead of me and hard to get ahold of, get her email information(password), and then get the subscription number out of her email myself, since she no longer has internet. That, and the whole "it's gone right after I got it back" thing just got to me.

I'll be honest, though. I wasn't at all expecting the account to be completely fixed within about an hour of sending in a ticket. So kudos for that.

[Silver Coast]

I'll be honest, though. I wasn't at all expecting the account to be completely fixed within about an hour of sending in a ticket. So kudos for that.

Yeah Sergiy is cool like that :cool:.

[Nitanius Nolund]

This is bullshit. No offense serg, but this is twice within a month that everyone lost their accounts. Now I'm out 2 gold accounts and a clan. What about that huh? All the clans have to be remade again.

Hopefully when I get active again this will all be fixed.

[Silver Coast]

AL is still here :). What sucks is that now we have to reinvite everyone :dry:.

[steve12]

A problem I can see is that people who don't speak English or aren't active with TAO news won't be happy.

[Dresicos]

I know it isn't his "fault," there was just a lack of anyone else to blame really, and I was a tad pissed.
What was causing me to be upset was more the fact that my subscription number wasn't exactly easily obtainable. In order to get it, I have to call my mom who's 3 hours ahead of me and hard to get ahold of, get her email information(password), and then get the subscription number out of her email myself, since she no longer has internet. That, and the whole "it's gone right after I got it back" thing just got to me.

I'll be honest, though. I wasn't at all expecting the account to be completely fixed within about an hour of sending in a ticket. So kudos for that.
What I did is I sent the Sub # to my email the second I found out what it is so I wouldn't have a problem like that anymore. =/ My sponser took a month to tell me the first time I needed it. Soo yeah, didn't want that to happen.
Don't even start calling out pils now. Just because its about Everyone in this thread vs You doesn't mean you can lash at the others. Since when do you know dresicos so well? Why continue to fight? Are you blind or do you just see this argument going in circles and just won't give up until you have the last words. /sarcasm- metalcore, goodjob on your end on leaving out vital parts to contribute to your accusations. /end sarcasm.

If TAO was run by someone's word vs another man's word then there wouldn't be a "system" like the one tao uses - "G0 g3t 4n 5/5 n00b~!"

this is you - "Dresicos doesn't play on his MAIN account anymore!! He needs to s/s every game he plays!"

Listen, why make it so he has to s/s every game and you not s/s his stats? You're a user with 19 posts accusing a popular player of cheating. NEWS FLASH buddy, you aren't going win. Big whoop, its 12 stat. Since when does 12 stat matter? WHY does it matter so much to YOU in particular? Do you hold a personal grudge? If this where some number of the stat gained at least like 75 then it'd be some-what taken seriously.

P.S. Your grammar sucks.
<3 Sano


I told Dres to his face that I don't like him, but I doubt he would ask for 12 stats that he didn't earn. I completely believe that he played and earned those stats before his account got deleted. Back off, you lose.

Just I want to thank you all again for defending me, expecially you Mush. As you said in your post, you don't like me but yet you are defending me.
Thanks again guys.

[Silver Coast]

I defended you first! :)

[Dresicos]

And I thank you, I wasn't even here for half of it.

I am having a hard time trying to get back ALL My accounts with all the right passwords and stats and such. Its a pain.

[Silver Coast]

Amen to that. Everyone knew you were too good and honorable to do something like that :).

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm gonna kill whichever leader remade TE as ~The Einherjar~

-.-"

[Dresicos]

It was not me.

[Silver Coast]

I'm gonna kill whichever leader remade TE as ~The Einherjar~-.-"

I laughed when I saw that =\

[Lex]

I defended you first! :)

No... no you didn't.

[pils]

I'm gonna kill whichever leader remade TE as ~The Einherjar~

-.-"

I'll go ahead and say it was me... Seeing as I was the one to tell the creator to go ahead and go through with it.
We need our members back, and we can't get TE back.
Not to mention someone left TE with the leader account, but cheese came back and to my knowledge fixed some things.
What difference does it make, its just temporary.

Stop acting like you "own" TE. Because if you really think that, and if you really think that you have so much more power of TE then the other leaders well then you will soon be the *only* leader.

[Dresicos]

It was Kck. He told me so, we can just dump it and make a better one.

[pils]

It was Kck. He told me so, we can just dump it and make a better one.
I told kck to do it.
And yeah exactly....

This is bullshit. No offense serg, but this is twice within a month that everyone lost their accounts. Now I'm out 2 gold accounts and a clan. What about that huh? All the clans have to be remade again.

Hopefully when I get active again this will all be fixed.
Unless you are talking about nitanius, shut up. TEL isn't even yours...

[Dresicos]

I use TEL more than any of you idiots. Heh, its true. (Not really)

When IROK gets on next we can just dump ~TE~ and remake a more reasonible clan name.

[pils]

Yeah, and you weren't even made a leader.
lmao....

[Dresicos]

:D I was using that leader account before you guys knew it existed.

[Jeffery]

Y'all a bunch of nubs.

Glad banff is immune to these shenanigans....

[gryph89]

Y'all a bunch of nubs.

Glad banff is immune to these shenanigans....

That's what you think :<

[bludhoundz]

Y'all a bunch of nubs.

Glad banff is immune to these shenanigans....

Actually, there are a bunch of lobby whores who have sponsors who no longer play. If banff undergoes this stuff, I'll be happy as soon as I get my account back :D

[Maverik07]

What about grey accounts? Is there no way to get grey accounts put back to the way they were?

[Silver Coast]

No, the Help and Support Desk is only available to Golds. And the Ticket System is part of the Support Desk.

[uniquinous]

What about grey accounts? Is there no way to get grey accounts put back to the way they were?

yes. if you know the right command, you can restore your grey account.

It will expire 8 minutes later.

[New Setup]

My account had 999999 stats, think i can get them back? Took me 2 weeks too get it so high, but if you can't it,s alright, no problem getting back there again.

xD

[dirka dirka]

Funny. :huh:

[Bottle]

I hear from ZEUS that the clan name netjak.com cannot be recreated. Is there no way for the admins to sort this out? I know uniq can, but he/she has refused to do so to "teach us a lesson" (presumably the lesson being that uniq should be worshipped as a god in order to get any favours). Just wondering out loud on behalf of Zeusy.

Edit: who's War Hero? He just repped me saying that he hoped it wasn't recoverable. How unnecessarily rude.

[steve12]

On GL they started a clan called <NETJAK>.

[Bottle]

Yes, this is our backup name if netjak.com is not recoverable.

[dirka dirka]

Haha!

[pils]

Isn't it kind of uniq's responsibility to be an unbiased mod.... If s/he did it for other clans why should s/he be able to *not* do it for NJ... Seems kinda mean spirited and unfair... Granted I'll probably be bitched at by someone, simply because I've only heard one side of the story.

Can't we just get another mod to do it?

[bludhoundz]

I hear from ZEUS that the clan name netjak.com cannot be recreated. Is there no way for the admins to sort this out? I know uniq can, but he/she has refused to do so to "teach us a lesson" (presumably the lesson being that uniq should be worshipped as a god in order to get any favours). Just wondering out loud on behalf of Zeusy.

Edit: who's War Hero? He just repped me saying that he hoped it wasn't recoverable. How unnecessarily rude.

SI and AL have both been deleted twice now, you're lucky it only happened to you guys once. There's nothing that can be done that I know of (and I've talked to serg). Just replace it with a funky name I think.

[Unforgottner]

I bet this never happens to WoW!

[pils]

WoW can afford for this not to happen.

[Bottle]

Isn't it kind of uniq's responsibility to be an unbiased mod.... If s/he did it for other clans why should s/he be able to *not* do it for NJ... Seems kinda mean spirited and unfair... Granted I'll probably be bitched at by someone, simply because I've only heard one side of the story.

Can't we just get another mod to do it?
It's not a mod ability, apparently. So uniq doesn't have to be unbiased over it.

Mabe I'll ask Jeff to take a look, he normally has some sort of answer to these problems.

[VAMP7]

Yes, this is our backup name if netjak.com is not recoverable.

SI was recovered
TDP was recovered
XF was recovered
DS was recovered

So why not netjak.com?:huh:

[Bottle]

Because uniq doesn't like netjak.

[VAMP7]

get uniq to teach meat then.

[pils]

I hear from ZEUS that the clan name netjak.com cannot be recreated. Is there no way for the admins to sort this out? I know uniq can, but he/she has refused to do so to "teach us a lesson" (presumably the lesson being that uniq should be worshipped as a god in order to get any favours). Just wondering out loud on behalf of Zeusy.

Edit: who's War Hero? He just repped me saying that he hoped it wasn't recoverable. How unnecessarily rude.

It's not a mod ability, apparently. So uniq doesn't have to be unbiased over it.

Mabe I'll ask Jeff to take a look, he normally has some sort of answer to these problems.

Because uniq doesn't like netjak.Make up your damn mind.

[Bottle]

Pils, did you read my second PM on LF? There is no need for hostility towards me.

[dirka dirka]

There is no need for hostility towards me.
Hey! He'll be the judge of his own hostility! That being said, netjak needs to be remade or uniq seriously is being a prick mod. He never truly has before, even though I've claimed it... haha. Anyway, what he does for one clan, must be done for another.

[pils]

Pils, did you read my second PM on LF? There is no need for hostility towards me.

You misconstrue my levels of hostility, I didn't think "damn" was all that hostile...
But none of the things I have said here come from LF in the least bit...

[Bottle]

Hey! He'll be the judge of his own hostility!

I never said he shouldn't be. I simply pointed out that, whether he chooses to be hostile or not, there is no need for it.

[BaxVarlet]

Uniq didn't remake other GL clans that were messed up...

[War Hero]

Guys, just remake your clans using the characters from character map instead of keyboard characters. Like the greek "e" that looks exactly like the english one.

[meat.eater]

If I knew how, without a "name unavailable" message, I'd do it.

Someone teach me.

[*Sanosuke*]

only if you pay me.

[uniquinous]

I hear from ZEUS that the clan name netjak.com cannot be recreated. Is there no way for the admins to sort this out? I know uniq can, but he/she has refused to do so to "teach us a lesson" (presumably the lesson being that uniq should be worshipped as a god in order to get any favours). Just wondering out loud on behalf of Zeusy.

Edit: who's War Hero? He just repped me saying that he hoped it wasn't recoverable. How unnecessarily rude.
Interestingly skewed side of a story, Bots :)

Here's mine: This has nothing to do with my unbiased ability of keeping this a fair game. Mod actions fall squarely into one of two categories: 1) unbiased fairness in moderation that must be given to everyone, 2) "luxury" actions given to people as favors. Ensuring a lack of cheating/swearing/scamming/spamming falls under the former category. Things like coloring a welcome message, making a clan, posting something that will go in a siggy, etc belong in the latter category.

The reason I won't give you what you want, despite your temper tantrum PMs, and now this public attack in hopes of getting the same thing, has nothing to do with teaching you a lesson. When a random grey noob comes up to me and asks me to make them a clan, or give them a free dragon, it similarly has nothing to do with teaching them a lesson when I turn them down.

To me, this is about doing a favor to a few good, noble, and otherwise respectful clans. The good kids get a cookie. If you wanna claim I'm only biased to the good kids, I can live with that. :rolleyes:

Netjak has gone out of its way to publicly attack and ridicule me in the past. Heck, even the fact that you didn't respect my decision over PM, and are now trying to publicly attack me, hoping I can be coerced by the community into doing what you want, perfectly demonstrates this point. So when you come asking for a FAVOR from me after your clan has been nothing but attacking, dishonorable, and disrespectful towards me, I'm going to walk right past you, and not really care to look back. I don't much care if you learn a lesson, just as I don't much care what happens to the random noob asking me for a free dragon.

Now, stop whining like a baby about it, cuz whether it's PM, public posting, or a letter to the editor of The Daily Prophet, I'm not going to be doing any favors for your clan anytime soon. You can live with the name of "netjak".

[LosPollos]

Uniq, get off your high horse.

[uniquinous]

and then they wonder why I find them disrespectful and won't do them favors? :rolleyes:

[LosPollos]

and then they wonder why I find them disrespectful and won't do them favors? :rolleyes:
Nope, we know why. That doesn't mean i have to think you don't have a god complex though :)

[uniquinous]

EDIT: nvm :rolleyes:

[dirka dirka]

This has nothing to do with my unbiased ability of keeping this a fair game.
This is where you are wrong. The game includes clans. If you do one thing for a clan, especially allowing it to exist, you must do the same for another (as long as they did not break any rules). I despise netjak and always have, however I will even say you're being unfair.

Uniq, get off your high horse.
I agree.

EDIT: nvm :rolleyes:
You think you're being the bigger man by shutting up, but really you could be the bigger man by being a fair mod in this situation.

[uniquinous]

This is where you are wrong. The game includes clans. If you do one thing for a clan, especially allowing it to exist, you must do the same for another (as long as they did not break any rules). I despise netjak and always have, however I will even say you're being unfair.And yet, they have a clan, with all the same functions as every other clan. They can happilly exist. They are not restricted in any way, shape, or form, compared to any other clan. What unfair advantage does any clan have over netjak at the moment? None.

[dirka dirka]

And yet, they have a clan, with all the same functions as every other clan. They can happilly exist. They are not restricted in any way, shape, or form, compared to any other clan. What unfair advantage does any clan have over netjak at the moment? None.

You're right.

[serg]

Some good news.

We are now able to restore clan leadership as well.

So, if your clan lost its leader during recent events, please submit a ticket or contact one of our mods.

[Jeffery]

Uniq, you're right. You have every right to deny Netjak this favor. You can bask in the glory of your own ego, knowing that you are oh-so-powerful.

In the end, Netjak will survive. But people will simply see your power-stroked ego for what it is. You will sit here and gloat how much better you are than everyone else, especially that pesky clan Netjak. And everyone else will know that you use your power only for personal gain. You will only help those that suck up to you. Those that will tell you how awesummer you are than everyone else.
But, like I said, in the end Netjak will still be here. And people will lose more respect for you.

But it is your right to make people see you for who you are.

[Bottle]

Mod actions fall squarely into one of two categories: 1) unbiased fairness in moderation that must be given to everyone, 2) "luxury" actions given to people as favors. Ensuring a lack of cheating/swearing/scamming/spamming falls under the former category. Things like coloring a welcome message, making a clan, posting something that will go in a siggy, etc belong in the latter category.

The good kids get a cookie. If you wanna claim I'm only biased to the good kids, I can live with that.

You can live with the name of "netjak".

Some good news.

We are now able to restore clan leadership as well.

So, if your clan lost its leader during recent events, please submit a ticket or contact one of our mods.

Thanks, serg. Netjak.com is BACK. :bigsmile:

[meat.eater]

Okay, you two. Call off your bombardment. Its good to see how deeply ingrained maturity is in our ideals.

[Jeffery]

Okay, you two. Call off your bombardment. Its good to see how deeply ingrained maturity is in our ideals.
I hardly call one post by me a "bombardment".
It's also good to see how deeply ingrained the maturity of the TAO staff is when one of them can openly declare they will only do their jobs for those they like.

[uniquinous]

Uniq, you're right. You have every right to deny Netjak this favor. You can bask in the glory of your own ego, knowing that you are oh-so-powerful.

In the end, Netjak will survive. But people will simply see your power-stroked ego for what it is. You will sit here and gloat how much better you are than everyone else, especially that pesky clan Netjak. And everyone else will know that you use your power only for personal gain. You will only help those that suck up to you. Those that will tell you how awesummer you are than everyone else.
But, like I said, in the end Netjak will still be here. And people will lose more respect for you.

But it is your right to make people see you for who you are.
mmm Jeffery once again attacking me for being power hungry when I... *don't* want to use one of my abilities. The problem with your little assessment is that I wanted nothing to do with netjak. Of course netjak will survive. It's a name. It's literally the difference between "netjak" and "netjak.com". And yet you claim I'm flaunting my power for everyone to see when I didn't want this to be public, and I don't much care what happens to netjak...

As for the "only help those who suck up", evidence suggests otherwise. I restored other clans from people who I didn't know. The point wasn't that someone had to suck up to me. The point is they shouldn't be disrespectful, to anyone, but specifically to someone who they are asking a favor from.

Even you, in the stupidity of that last post, should have clearly seen that.


Thanks, serg. Netjak.com is BACK. :bigsmile:Feel free to submit a ticket now. I never wanted to stop you from regaining the name (else I would have remade it myself and put it on a grey account). I simply didn't care enough to help you myself, which is why I told you in PM to find someone else.

And yet this entire setup of netjak whining, pointing fingers, arrogance, name-calling, and stupidity very clearly demonstrates my point. :)

Thanks guys. Later.

[meat.eater]

Holy cow, y'all. Dont make me close this thread.

Jeffery - what Uniq chooses to do doesnt concern me at all, and in no way reflects on the TAO staff as a whole. If you have a problem with him, bring it up with serg; not me, not your clanmates and for christsake certainly not him, because we've all read that book and man it is long and boring and ends the same every time. Now that the whole staff has the power to help you, it doesnt really make a difference anymore.

Uniq - dont be difficult. You're well aware of my stance on this whole thing in comparison to yours. Now that neither of our stances matter at all, I would suggest shushing up about it (to both parties).

[Jeffery]

Holy cow, y'all. Dont make me close this thread.

Jeffery - what Uniq chooses to do doesnt concern me at all, and in no way reflects on the TAO staff as a whole. If you have a problem with him, bring it up with serg; not me, not your clanmates and for christsake certainly not him, because we've all read that book and man it is long and boring and ends the same every time. Now that the whole staff has the power to help you, it doesnt really make a difference anymore.

Uniq - dont be difficult. You're well aware of my stance on this whole thing in comparison to yours. Now that neither of our stances matter at all, I would suggest shushing up about it (to both parties).
I'll shush up. But only after saying one more thing.


You're breath stinks. Stop eating cat shit.

[Bottle]

Like I said in my PM, uniq, I would rather be on friendly terms with you, but that needs to be reciprocated. I'm sorry I had a go at you in public, but I'm sure you can appreciate that I had a good reason for doing so. Next time, let's help each other. OK? :)

I'm just pleased netjak.com is back and running with the name that has been striking fear into our opponents for 3 years. Along with SI, netjak.com is the only clan to have withstood the test of time and continued as strong as ever. Now we can continue bringing the ruckus the way we always have and always will.

NETJAK.COM WIN!

[meat.eater]

I think Bottle has AADD. Arrogant attention deficite disorder.

You guys should have remade "netjak-tao.com" considering you arent even on netjak.com anymore.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

You think you're being the bigger man by shutting up

...or woman! :*ph34r:

[Bottle]

I think Bottle has AADD. Arrogant attention deficite disorder.

You guys should have remade "netjak-tao.com" considering you arent even on netjak.com anymore.
Deficit. But you're probably right in everything but spelling.

There again, clan netjak.com is far more than simply the site. It's grown a long way since Twelve first made it and found one of his friends from the site here as well. And so we'll keep the name, not because of what it refers to, but what it represents.

[El Cid]

Some good news.

We are now able to restore clan leadership as well.

So, if your clan lost its leader during recent events, please submit a ticket or contact one of our mods.

Thank you for bringing some sense into this drama serg.


You guys should have remade "netjak-tao.com" considering you arent even on netjak.com anymore.

We did not split from netjak.com. We just outgrew their forums.

[Lord Shinok]

Thanks for your help, serg. :)

Uniq, I just lost my respect for you. :(

[uniquinous]

who are you? :huh:

[steve12]

I'd call him thefreezing or Geeky Bastard, but I think it might be 2 different people. :-/

[pils]

lots 'o reading has been doen...
im just glad we got NJ back, and everything is in order....
Bottle can we be on friendly terms?

[dirka dirka]

Jeffery is right, completely.

[uniquinous]

i think my favorite part about all this crying is that it's the people who haven't played on GL in months are the ones throwing the temper tantrum, while the active NJ members don't care, as the clan has nothing to do with the site any longer :rolleyes:

[*Sanosuke*]

Since when have you heard others complain about the site change anyways? Bottle is right, it's not only what i refers to but what it represents to the players of that clan (such as myself) and the gaming community. Why should we have to change our clan name just because of our home website getting changed? Your opinion has been noted about our clan name, but we ultimately decide what to do with it, then we ask the ingame mods to do it for us seeing as it is their job to help the gaming community.

Therefore, if you don't like the clan, tough nuggies, you are required to when you take up the responsibility as a member of the TAO staff.

[Bottle]

i think my favorite part about all this crying is that it's the people who haven't played on GL in months are the ones throwing the temper tantrum, while the active NJ members don't care, as the clan has nothing to do with the site any longer :rolleyes:
Uniq, in all seriousness, the best thing you and I can both do now is leave this matter be with what remains of our reputations intact. Just some friendly advice.

Once again, serg, thanks.

And to the rest of the netjak members here... we have what we came for. Let's leave it alone, and get back out on the server. Let the cries of netjak win echo once more across the land. :)

[uniquinous]

Agreed. Have fun pwnzing. :)

[serg]

Recently the number of fraud restoration claims dramatically increased. I want to ask the community to keep a close eye on any suspicious accounts with high ratings and feel free to report them to our mods.

Those who tried to pull any scam during account restoration will have their accounts deleted immediatelly with a small bonus - permanent IP ban on all servers.

[The Prophet]

I'll shush up. But only after saying one more thing.


You're breath stinks. Stop eating cat shit.

I have to say, this literally made me laugh out loud.

[uniquinous]

that's cuz it doesn't take much to amuse you.

Here are some shiny objects. Have fun.
http://www.beadfx.com/images/28811849b.jpg

btw, are you still scared i'ma hax ur site? :rolleyes:

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'd like my Nitanius Nolund account back please. I can't get on TAO right now so I can't create it, but if you can do that for me it would be much appreciated.

It was 1055 stats I believe, but I'd be happy enough with just getting the account back.

[The Prophet]

Here are some shiny objects. Have fun.
http://www.beadfx.com/images/28811849b.jpg

Did the string on your anal beads break?

btw, are you still scared i'ma hax ur site? :rolleyes:

Nope, not scared at all. It was just a good reason to get rid of you.

[dirka dirka]

Uniq, Prophet... take it somewhere else.

[pils]

Did the string on your anal beads break?

Obiwan!!!
I missed you!

Recently the number of fraud restoration claims dramatically increased. I want to ask the community to keep a close eye on any suspicious accounts with high ratings and feel free to report them to our mods.

Those who tried to pull any scam during account restoration will have their accounts deleted immediately with a small bonus - permanent IP ban on all servers.

Like when Vamp asked for and received a shrub on army?
lol

[Bottle]

I had a 20000 rated account with 10 dragon drops on GL. Can you recreate it for me please? :angel:

[uniquinous]

i thought it was 11 :huh:

[Bottle]

How would you know how many dragons I had?

OMFG UNQI HAXED MY ACOUNT

[uniquinous]

it's how i got so many on my mod account. i traded them. it's why you now have 11 barri0r werds.

[Bottle]

8 BWs + scout + cleric > j00

[pils]

I had a 20000 rated account with 10 dragon drops on GL. Can you recreate it for me please? :angel:

Send in a ticket, see if you can get it...

[Bottle]

I, uh, lost my subscription number.

Maybe if I borrow your sub number I'll be able to get it back.

[pils]

To bad my sub number came from a very very stupid man, who is now ISP banned.
I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.

[R G]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to thank you for your patience again. We are recreating the lost accounts as quickly as we can. Keep those tickets coming!

I am really disappointed in this fiasco.

Considering how much trouble this has caused all of these members don't you think you, should step up to the plate so to speak, and give them all gold accounts for several months for free. It really has made me reconsider continuing being a member.:angry:

It would be the right thing to do considering how much trouble this has caused them as well as me.

[Bottle]

Yes, because that we they'll go out of business and we won't be able to play at all. Great idea!

[pils]

How would they go out of business?
They would just lose a bit of profit and then once people started playing again all would be well....
Losing some money should be a repercussion that TA should have been prepared to handle once they kinda, "went commercial."

[R G]

Yes, because that we they'll go out of business and we won't be able to play at all. Great idea!

Bottle don't you think that TAO has made some money in the past??? It is not uncommon for businesses to comp people that have performed poorly to ensure they continue to keep you as a customer. I am not talking about free for life...I am talking about free for a 2 or 3 months in retribution of poor service.

Ever had poor quality food at a resturant and have the entire meal on the house??

Ever had service of any type that was not up to your expectations and have it comp'ed to ensure that you keep doing business with them?

You don't stay in business being arrogant and trying to ignore a problem that exists.

[steve12]

I agree, R G. However, people are so addicted to this game that they will pay to play even if ridiculous things like this happen over and over.

[THUNDER-K9]

I am really disappointed in this fiasco.

Considering how much trouble this has caused all of these members don't you think you, should step up to the plate so to speak, and give them all gold accounts for several months for free. It really has made me reconsider continuing being a member.:angry:

It would be the right thing to do considering how much trouble this has caused them as well as me. Yea I agree RG, they killed my account ^Scared Shitless^ now all i get from them after 3 tickets later is would you like a new name , our FILTER won't lets us The admins of this game make it. What a crock! yet Army has accounts like Dripping Slag, countless grey names that I won't type here. Such Great Service! My last e mail from them said you made the account a very long time ago, wow no shit and have paid and am still paying. How about some service! take off the filter make the account, wow that seams hard to do.....:bad: Btw No where in any email did I see hey T here is a freebee for ya after all you do pay for a SHITLOAD of accounts...:eek:

[meat.eater]

Allow me to address several things.

RG - you're just trying to get free service. You dont actually care that much. But, if I decide to validate your argument for a moment, I'd respond: Just think of what will happen when the site stops sponsoring these "free" account and people forget to upgrade and they lose their account anyways. Think of the whining that would cause. Think of all the scam tickets we'd receive of people claiming to have an account with no sub number. It would be a mess. We already give you unlimited free-for-lifetime Rev accounts. If you want to ask for one of those in compensation be my guest. But the whole "free accounts on a main [account expiring] server" is a touchy business that I dont think any of us, staff orcommunity, would want to venture into.

K9 - Its not a matter of trying to be distant to *you* as a person. The reason the admin said "you made the account along time ago" is because you used to be able to swear in-game. Fact is, now, in the coding (which only seed can change), there is a filter against that word. It cannot be created by the admin because the system literally wont let them, which is different from "Dripping Slag", because neither of those words are actually filtered by the system, they just make an inappropriate name. I think offering you a new account with a new name (perhaps only slightly tweak it) and restoring SS's stats to that account is a pretty fair deal if you ask me.

[THUNDER-K9]

Allow me to address several things.

RG - you're just trying to get free service. You dont actually care that much. But, if I decide to validate your argument for a moment, I'd respond: Just think of what will happen when the site stops sponsoring these "free" account and people forget to upgrade and they lose their account anyways. Think of the whining that would cause. Think of all the scam tickets we'd receive of people claiming to have an account with no sub number. It would be a mess. We already give you unlimited free-for-lifetime Rev accounts. If you want to ask for one of those in compensation be my guest. But the whole "free accounts on a main [account expiring] server" is a touchy business that I dont think any of us, staff orcommunity, would want to venture into.

K9 - Its not a matter of trying to be distant to *you* as a person. The reason the admin said "you made the account along time ago" is because you used to be able to swear in-game. Fact is, now, in the coding (which only seed can change), there is a filter against that word. It cannot be created by the admin because the system literally wont let them, which is different from "Dripping Slag", because neither of those words are actually filtered by the system, they just make an inappropriate name. I think offering you a new account with a new name (perhaps only slightly tweak it) and restoring SS's stats to that account is a pretty fair deal if you ask me.
I hear you meat but When you sign up for an account you are entering into an agreement, I pay for that I get My name in gold , gold name on the fourms and special units, Did I void the agreement, nope I'm still paying and went without my servce that I have been paying for since,Date of sign up: Jan. 1, 2006
Subscription Name: Tactics Arena Online Gold Account Subscription

Subscription Terms:
$5.00 USD for each month

The following options were included with this subscription:
Account Name: ^Scared Shitless^

Select Server: Armageddon

Your subscription will automatically renew at the rates stated above unless you cancel prior to the end of the billing period.
I know I didnt cancel, so what we are both saying is that they could give out a free month or two for the guys that were afected. You can say thats touchy but I know there were a ton of guys that had free accounts back when DR left and still have some out there today how did they get reuped? There are tons of names on the game that you cant type, all I want is mine back.Btw I got these screens tonight and it wasnt me making them....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Thunder-k9/veritas.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Thunder-k9/nicename.jpg

[Jeffery]

11. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY. TACTICS ARENA ONLINE IS PROVIDED TO YOU "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. TAO Gaming, Inc DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR FREE. TAO Gaming, Inc DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY AND ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Thunder, an error in the game happened. They are unable to give you that accoutn abck. Not unwilling, but unable to.


Take what they have offered, or cancel and and get nothing. Those are the only two options available.

BTW, subbing the lower case L for the upper case I is how those names were made. ;)

[R G]

Allow me to address several things.

RG - you're just trying to get free service.

And save $15 dollars...:rolleyes: Don't be ridiculous...

Let me address your statement Meat.Eater...I am only talking about a few months of free service, I am not talking about free for life or anything ridiculous like that. Its a fair request in a free market society where the provider really screwed up.

Oh I do care...I have been a member for close to 3 years now and because of this event I have went ahead and cancelled my subcription. If I am not be compensated for my inconvience then there are plenty of outlets of on line gaming that will more than be happy to accomodate me. The funny thing about that is if I want to continue playing TAO I can for free with a grey or with my lifetime gold on Rev.

My request is very reasonable.

But, if I decide to validate your argument for a moment, I'd respond: Just think of what will happen when the site stops sponsoring these "free" account and people forget to upgrade and they lose their account anyways. Think of the whining that would cause. Think of all the scam tickets we'd receive of people claiming to have an account with no sub number. It would be a mess. We already give you unlimited free-for-lifetime Rev accounts. If you want to ask for one of those in compensation be my guest. But the whole "free accounts on a main [account expiring] server" is a touchy business that I dont think any of us, staff orcommunity, would want to venture into.

That is an assinine statement. Let me give you a lesson in capitalism.

If TAO quits offering free play as greys then I suspect that TAO will die anyway. The free play offering is there to lure you into paying in the first place. I doubt very seriously if someone is going to start paying for TAO without ever playing it in the first place. It takes a while for TAO to pull you in to become a paying member.

Then it will just be a matter of keeping the same customer base interested.

Do you really think that business model will succeed???

[Bottle]

Your exact words were "all of these members... give them all gold accounts for several months for free". Now, taking several months as meaning 3 months, and considering that around 100 accounts (minimum) have been affected, that is a loss of $1500. Do you really think any company can afford to lose $1500 just after performing a server move?

Your analogy about food at a restaurant is flawed; having worked in one myself I can point out that giving out free food on occasions is not damaging to a business as they lose perhaps a few dollars (bearing in mind all that's lost to replace a meal is the food cost, a small percentage of the total amount charged to the customer). But effectively handing out $1500 worth of free account over 3 months is suicidal.

[dirka dirka]

And save $15 dollars...:rolleyes: Don't be ridiculous...

Let me address your statement Meat.Eater...I am only talking about a few months of free service, I am not talking about free for life or anything ridiculous like that. Its a fair request in a free market society where the provider really screwed up.

Oh I do care...I have been a member for close to 3 years now and because of this event I have went ahead and cancelled my subcription. If I am not be compensated for my inconvience then there are plenty of outlets of on line gaming that will more than be happy to accomodate me. The funny thing about that is if I want to continue playing TAO I can for free with a grey or with my lifetime gold on Rev.

My request is very reasonable.
You realize your cancellation of your account will do jack shit to hurt them. They did what they were suppose to do, fix the problem. Nowhere else will you find this game on this caliber. They have a monopoly on it and you have to deal with that. Do a little research and you'll find out that the internet is not a free market - as the buyer does not regulate the price of this game once so ever. Next time you fight for something you want attempt at better grammar and spelling.

[R G]

Your exact words were "all of these members... give them all gold accounts for several months for free". Now, taking several months as meaning 3 months, and considering that around 100 accounts (minimum) have been affected, that is a loss of $1500. Do you really think any company can afford to lose $1500 just after performing a server move?

Your analogy about food at a restaurant is flawed; having worked in one myself I can point out that giving out free food on occasions is not damaging to a business as they lose perhaps a few dollars (bearing in mind all that's lost to replace a meal is the food cost, a small percentage of the total amount charged to the customer). But effectively handing out $1500 worth of free account over 3 months is suicidal.

Exactly...All members that were affected should be compensated to some degree.

You are only looking at it as a what you are not going to get in the short term without really looking at it with any long term vision....Save your self from financial disaster and don't go into business for yourself as you will definitely fail.

Using your flawed logic...why should TAO bother spending money on a new server at all??? Do you think the new server was free???:rolleyes: Of course not...sometimes you spend money to make money and that is exactly the purpose of adding or upgrading a new server.

In business a server is much easier to come by than a paying customer.

You realize your cancellation of your account will do jack shit to hurt them. They did what they were suppose to do, fix the problem. Nowhere else will you find this game on this caliber. They have a monopoly on it and you have to deal with that. Do a little research and you'll find out that the internet is not a free market - as the buyer does not regulate the price of this game once so ever.

Yea I know I am only one person. I will admit I have enjoyed the game over the years...but you also realize that I don't have to pay to enjoy it either.;)

You talk about TAO as if it is some kind of a drug...that no matter what the price you would pay it just so you could feed your addiction....believe it or not some people have self control...I know it's a term you are probally not familar with so please forgive me.:rolleyes:

The internet is as much a free market as you will ever find as the price is dictated by the demand and market itself. I, just as you, can choose to be the market or not...the internet nor any of its sites are necessities of life.

Take a look through this forum and you will see several threads opened up for people looking for people to sponsor them, and I remind you that is for the current $5 a month fee for golds.

Let's say that the price of TAO doubles over night to $10 a month. Do you think the membership increases or decreases? I would be willing to bet that membership would drop like a rock....maybe only maintaining 15% - 25% membership. It sure will make getting a game with another quality player a lot harder don't ya think?

I would encourage you to read up on what a free market is and isn't before you try to talk about it...as the internet is definitely a free market.

Next time you fight for something you want attempt at better grammar and spelling.

Before you attempt to criticize someone for their spelling and grammar you might want to improve on your own.:rolleyes:

[dirka dirka]

Yea I know I am only one person. I will admit I have enjoyed the game over the years...but you also realize that I don't have to pay to enjoy it either.;)
You have to pay to enjoy it on the same caliber.

You talk about TAO as if it is some kind of a drug...that no matter what the price you would pay it just so you could feed your addiction....believe it or not some people have self control...I know it's a term you are probally not familar with so please forgive me.:rolleyes:
You lack basic understanding of words. I talk about TAO as if it is, because it is, completely controlled by the administration. You have no say in what happens, please get over it. Nobody cares that you canceled your account.

The internet is as much a free market as you will ever find as the price is dictated by the demand and market itself. I, just as you, can choose to be the market or not...the internet nor any of its sites are necessities of life.
It's a good thing none of those variables have anything to do with a free market. The only common thing that the internet has in common with free market is essentially the government is not involved (although, it is to a degree).

Take a look through this forum and you will see several threads opened up for people looking for people to sponsor them, and I remind you that is for the current $5 a month fee for golds.
You also see many people who ask for a $10 fee to go gold on all the servers. People want lower prices with everything. How does that surprise you?

Let's say that the price of TAO doubles over night to $10 a month. Do you think the membership increases or decreases? I would be willing to bet that membership would drop like a rock....maybe only maintaining 15% - 25% membership. It sure will make getting a game with another quality player a lot harder don't ya think?
You're throwing around meaningless numbers and you show a lack of understanding for simple economics. You don't know that the equilibrium price is $5 for TAO. You don't know what would happen at $10.

I would encourage you to read up on what a free market is and isn't before you try to talk about it...as the internet is definitely a free market.
Not all of the internet. In a free market, the prices are dictated by both the seller and buyer. That isn't the case with TAO. I would encourage you to read up on what a free market is and isn't before you try and tell me to do the same.

Before you attempt to criticize someone for their spelling and grammar you might want to improve on your own.:rolleyes:
Only there is nothing wrong with my grammar and spelling. That is, set aside the fact that you underlined part of the sentence. If you're referencing the lack of a comma between want and attempt then you're probably still in 6th grade. That is the only thing I can see that I would change and it isn't even grammatically incorrect, it just depends on style.

[R G]

It's a good thing none of those variables have anything to do with a free market. The only common thing that the internet has in common with free market is essentially the government is not involved (although, it is to a degree).


Here ya go...This is a good place for you to try and comprehend what a "free market" is since you can't seem to grasp it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

A free market describes a theoretical, idealised, or actual market where the price of an item is arranged by the mutual non-coerced consent of sellers and buyers, with the supply and demand of that item not being regulated by a government (see supply and demand); the opposite is a controlled market, where government sets or regulates price directly or through regulating supply and/or demand.[1] However, while a free market necessitates that government does not regulate supply, demand, and prices, it also requires the traders themselves do not coerce or mislead each other, so that all trades are morally voluntary.[2] This is not to be confused with a perfect market where individuals have perfect information and there is perfect competition. etc etc etc

In simple terms if I sell had an item to sell I can set the price for what I want...My price will be decided upon based upon the other offerings that compete with me....you can elect to buy it or not.


You also see many people who ask for a $10 fee to go gold on all the servers. People want lower prices with everything. How does that surprise you?

You missed the point...but that don't surprise me at this point. The point was that even at the $5 dollar level you still have people looking for ways to pay for it? Remember the average user of TAO is probally around 16, male and very little spare cash with very few ways to pay for it. Raise it to $10 dollars and it will become even harder for the average user to pay for it...


You're throwing around meaningless numbers and you show a lack of understanding for simple economics. You don't know that the equilibrium price is $5 for TAO. You don't know what would happen at $10.[QUOTE]

But I do have common sense enough to realize that market share or subcribers would be lost...even if you don't like my estimates.

Are you willing to say that by raising the price that numbers will increase or even stay the same? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=dirka dirka;1225429]Not all of the internet. In a free market, the prices are dictated by both the seller and buyer. That isn't the case with TAO. I would encourage you to read up on what a free market is and isn't before you try and tell me to do the same.[QUOTE]

To some degree the buyer does dictate what the price of this game is...just like all of the free market. Price goes down more and you have more of a chance to get more people to buy your product...which could be a curse to a game like TAO as it will require more server space....Price goes up and you stand a chance to lose customers by pricing yourself out of the market. Poor Service and you also stand the chance to loose customers....better service and you stand to keep or win customers....hope you can comprehend.

[QUOTE=dirka dirka;1225429]Only there is nothing wrong with my grammar and spelling. That is, set aside the fact that you underlined part of the sentence. If you're referencing the lack of a comma between want and attempt then you're probably still in 6th grade. That is the only thing I can see that I would change and it isn't even grammatically incorrect, it just depends on style.

Here's how you wrote it...

Next time you fight for something you want attempt at better grammar and spelling.

Surely you can see the flaws...:rolleyes: Do you want me to correct them for ya?;) Or are you going to say that that statement as written is correct?

[dirka dirka]

Here ya go...This is a good place for you to try and comprehend what a "free market" is since you can't seem to grasp it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

In simple terms if I sell had an item to sell I can set the price for what I want...My price will be decided upon based upon the other offerings that compete with me....you can elect to buy it or not.
So you've proven me right. There are no other games that compete with TAO on the same caliber. I've been saying this for awhile. Is this hard for you to understand? It isn't free market.

You missed the point...but that don't surprise me at this point. The point was that even at the $5 dollar level you still have people looking for ways to pay for it? Remember the average user of TAO is probally around 16, male and very little spare cash with very few ways to pay for it. Raise it to $10 dollars and it will become even harder for the average user to pay for it...
Once again, you're throwing around numbers and you have no clue. The average TAO player is probably not 16. People look for ways to pay for anything. As I asked before, how does it surprise you that people want to save money? You're missing the point completely. The point is that you have no clue where TAO's equilibrium price is. If $10 got them 50% less users, they make the same money and have less to deal with, that sounds like good economic trade off. However, it would have to happen to actually see what percentage would pay that amount.

But I do have common sense enough to realize that market share or subcribers would be lost...even if you don't like my estimates.
You lack economic common sense and you can't spell subscribers. Just because you don't have the same numbers of sales does not mean you don't bring in the same amount of money.

Are you willing to say that by raising the price that numbers will increase or even stay the same? :rolleyes:
No, they would go down. According to micro economics, however, that does not result in decreased profit. You raise it by a buck and you drop 10% of the customers. You've lost no money.

To some degree the buyer does dictate what the price of this game is...just like all of the free market. Price goes down more and you have more of a chance to get more people to buy your product...which could be a curse to a game like TAO as it will require more server space....Price goes up and you stand a chance to lose customers by pricing yourself out of the market. Poor Service and you also stand the chance to loose customers....better service and you stand to keep or win customers....hope you can comprehend.
You don't even comprehend what you're saying. The price will not go down so rule that one out. If the price went up, it would do so and produce the same or higher returns until the equilibrium price is established. Above that point the profit would go down.

Here's how you wrote it...

Next time you fight for something you want attempt at better grammar and spelling.

Surely you can see the flaws...:rolleyes: Do you want me to correct them for ya?;) Or are you going to say that that statement as written is correct?
There is no flaw.

[steve12]

Next time you fight for something you want, attempt at better grammar and spelling.

I'm not totally sure, but it does seem very probably that a comma belongs there. But seriously, what does that have to do with this..

[dirka dirka]

Next time you fight for something you want, attempt at better grammar and spelling.

I'm not totally sure, but it does seem very probably that a comma belongs there. But seriously, what does that have to do with this..

I posed that to him already however there is no need for a comma there. If you want to put one there it doesn't make it incorrect. It's a matter of preference. I'm just tired of reading his horrible spelling to be honest.

[Bottle]

You are only looking at it as a what you are not going to get in the short term without really looking at it with any long term vision....Save your self from financial disaster and don't go into business for yourself as you will definitely fail.

I don't claim to be certain on the point I made, as I am not regularly privy to the TAO accounting books. However, I think my assumption that a business of this size really cannot afford to give away (minimum) $1500 worth of free merchandise over 3 months is reasonably sound. The investment return would not be worth it, especially given that the people with a free account for 3 months may well choose not to renew the subscription when those 3 months expire (through forgetfulness, loss of interest in the game, or getting used to playing the game for free).

Incidentally, I'm considering accountancy as a potential future career and my university tutor says I have the ability to do it, so please excuse me when I take his word for it over yours. :)

[meat.eater]

We'll see you later than, RG.

[Jeffery]

You are only looking at it as a what you are not going to get in the short term without really looking at it with any long term vision....Save your self from financial disaster and don't go into business for yourself as you will definitely fail.

Using your flawed logic...why should TAO bother spending money on a new server at all??? Do you think the new server was free???:rolleyes: Of course not...sometimes you spend money to make money and that is exactly the purpose of adding or upgrading a new server.



Couple of notes here.
1) I suggest YOU don;t go into business for yourself, because you claim his logic would make a business fail. But I can prove you wrong already.
TAO has not failed. So TAO's business model obviously works better than yours. (seriously)

2) TAO got "new servers" not as a result of wanting them, bus as part of a physical upgrade by the hosting company. It was replacing its servers physically, upgrading them to better and newer models. In fact, since those servers are leased by TAO, the upgrade would have been "free" to TAO, as the monthly payments include equipment maintenance and upgrades.


You claim the business model TAO follows would fail. And yet it hasn;t. It has continually grown.
Would TAO be hurt by giving away these golds for a few months? A little.

But what would it GAIN? That is what you look at from a business aspect. The loss of 20 accounts due to these problems is easier to absorb both in workload and financially than your plan to stop payments to hundreds of customers for several months.

Having been around TAO as long as you have, you should have picked up on Bills way of running a business. There is NO WAY he would come up off cash by giving these free accounts like you have asked. However, if you had aimed at a slightly lower target, say a free rare drop..... That would have probably worked, and would easily have gotten players and mods backing you up.

The real question at hand is not whether or not it would be the right thing to do to comp customers because of the error. The question is can TAO be expected to do so. And the answer is No.

[THUNDER-K9]

Thunder, an error in the game happened. They are unable to give you that accoutn abck. Not unwilling, but unable to.


Take what they have offered, or cancel and and get nothing. Those are the only two options available.

BTW, subbing the lower case L for the upper case I is how those names were made. ;)

I'm not the kind of person that thinks you should get something for nothing or the customer is always right. I do how ever feel that you should get what you pay for, that’s the only point here, and there was no notice of the account being wiped or any others I do feel that I and many other are entitled to some kind of compensation.

Pretty simple for me at this point, now that the wise Jeffery has pointed out how some kid made those names. The point of the screens was simple Jeff maybe to simple for you. The filter doesn’t work other then strait out swearing. If you stated Scared after the filter it looked like this ^Scared ####less^ 1500, and yep your right I'm canceling it,I do feel thats what they want. I can run any grey account to 1500 it's the name I wanted and there may be a lot more to come. Not that I think you would care....

[*Sanosuke*]

Shit happens people! Get over it and stfu! The TAO staff is doing everything in their power to fix this "crisis". Granted, its only a group of mods and the help desk, but you best take advantage of what they provide.

If you think just because your account was deleted on accident because of the server migration and think you should be treated with the absolute most importance then boy are you dead wrong. TAO provides even services to all their players.

Say for example theres an account called "I bitch" or something along the lines of breaking the filter, the TAO staff will tell that player/customer to change their name because it cannot be restored because of the swearing filter. Thus makes it two cases.

RG and K9, people can argue all day and all night and nothing will come of it. Sure, you can have your points and debate about them, but actions speak louder than words. Who cares about an account name? If they ask you to change it, make another damn witty name or something. And theres no way in hell TAO is gonna give away free golds.

/end input

-Sano

[Jeffery]

I'm not the kind of person that thinks you should get something for nothing or the customer is always right. I do how ever feel that you should get what you pay for, that’s the only point here, and there was no notice of the account being wiped or any others I do feel that I and many other are entitled to some kind of compensation.

Pretty simple for me at this point, now that the wise Jeffery has pointed out how some kid made those names. The point of the screens was simple Jeff maybe to simple for you. The filter doesn’t work other then strait out swearing. If you stated Scared after the filter it looked like this ^Scared ####less^ 1500, and yep your right I'm canceling it,I do feel thats what they want. I can run any grey account to 1500 it's the name I wanted and there may be a lot more to come. Not that I think you would care....

How in the hell are they supposed to warn you that there was going to be an ERROR that would result ion the ACCIDENTAL erasing of only certain golds????

You got some time travel system we don;t know about? Because I am pretty sure Bills doesn;t.


Again, TAO Admins will not create a name that is filtered. They offered to re-up an alternative name for you. That would be providing what you pay for, access to a gold account. Your refusal to take the offer is not their problem.

And I highly doubt losing your $5 will scare Bills into anything.

[steve12]

And I doubt that $5 will be lost because, as I said, people are too addicted to the game.

[dirka dirka]

Actually, he did warn us.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32670

[HoodedH-TDP]

Actually, he did warn us.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32670

Not that accounts would accidently get deleted ;)

[dirka dirka]

Not that accounts would accidently get deleted ;)
Yes he did...
That's what happens when the game is transfered from server to serve. We know that. So he did warn us.

[HoodedH-TDP]

Yes he did...
That's what happens when the game is transfered from server to serve. We know that. So he did warn us.

Please tell me where it says accounts will be deleted in his post then.
What is meant to happen when the game is transfrered to another server is, everything gets moved there.. including accounts. Thats why some survived and got through.

[R G]

I don't claim to be certain on the point I made, as I am not regularly privy to the TAO accounting books. However, I think my assumption that a business of this size really cannot afford to give away (minimum) $1500 worth of free merchandise over 3 months is reasonably sound. The investment return would not be worth it, especially given that the people with a free account for 3 months may well choose not to renew the subscription when those 3 months expire (through forgetfulness, loss of interest in the game, or getting used to playing the game for free).

Incidentally, I'm considering accountancy as a potential future career and my university tutor says I have the ability to do it, so please excuse me when I take his word for it over yours. :)

I beg to differ...TAO is more of a service than mechandise. The majority of the cost involved was to develop the product.

You really lack understanding of the point to give free service...you get billing information and give free service for a period of time and then after the free period you start to bill the person. The point is that people either don't cancel because they are too forgetful or too busy, or they end up loving the game and keep playing.

Let's say I own TAO and give out free golds for two months....then let's say100 people sign up with the under standing that they will be billed after the free period...I could look at it as I gave out $1000 if I was short sighted like you are Bottle...but if I have vision and I am confident in my product I would hope to retain half of those people for a year or more....What is more important here the loss of $1000 dollars(didn't really cost me that much) initially or did I just grow my business by $3000 a year?

It's a common practice in marketing. You see people give away free samples all of the time.


Couple of notes here.
1) I suggest YOU don;t go into business for yourself, because you claim his logic would make a business fail. But I can prove you wrong already.
TAO has not failed. So TAO's business model obviously works better than yours. (seriously)

Did I say that TAO's current business model has failed??? No...I didn't. If I did prove me wrong....most of this debate/conversation has been based upon speculation and hypotheticals.

2) TAO got "new servers" not as a result of wanting them, bus as part of a physical upgrade by the hosting company. It was replacing its servers physically, upgrading them to better and newer models. In fact, since those servers are leased by TAO, the upgrade would have been "free" to TAO, as the monthly payments include equipment maintenance and upgrades.

But really the equipment is not free to TAO as the monthly payments pay for them...Like leasing a car...you pay to use the car eventhough the car is not yours.

If the company that provided the servers lost the information then they too should also provide financial compensation back to TAO...and who is to say they haven't.

You claim the business model TAO follows would fail. And yet it hasn;t. It has continually grown.
Would TAO be hurt by giving away these golds for a few months? A little.

But what would it GAIN? That is what you look at from a business aspect. The loss of 20 accounts due to these problems is easier to absorb both in workload and financially than your plan to stop payments to hundreds of customers for several months.

Matter of opinion really...just to use your number, 20 customers equals $1200 a year, $2400 for 2 years...I would suspect that number was higher though.

Having been around TAO as long as you have, you should have picked up on Bills way of running a business. There is NO WAY he would come up off cash by giving these free accounts like you have asked. However, if you had aimed at a slightly lower target, say a free rare drop..... That would have probably worked, and would easily have gotten players and mods backing you up.

The real question at hand is not whether or not it would be the right thing to do to comp customers because of the error. The question is can TAO be expected to do so. And the answer is No.

And that is why l have to act on priciples and cancel my membership...just welch off the system and play for free now.:D

[dirka dirka]

Since you're too scared to reply to my last post, I'll start picking this apart for Jeffery and Bottle.

I beg to differ...TAO is more of a service than mechandise. The majority of the cost involved was to develop the product.
The majority of the cost involved is to host the product. Development was actually free, seed did it for himself for fun. Bills bought it later.

You really lack understanding of the point to give free service...you get billing information and give free service for a period of time and then after the free period you start to bill the person. The point is that people either don't cancel because they are too forgetful or too busy, or they end up loving the game and keep playing.
TAO can't do that. Paypal does all the billing and paypal doesn't allow such things. Paypal doesn't allow it because it results in people doing charge backs.

Let's say I own TAO and give out free golds for two months....then let's say100 people sign up with the under standing that they will be billed after the free period...I could look at it as I gave out $1000 if I was short sighted like you are Bottle...but if I have vision and I am confident in my product I would hope to retain half of those people for a year or more....What is more important here the loss of $1000 dollars(didn't really cost me that much) initially or did I just grow my business by $3000 a year?

It's a common practice in marketing. You see people give away free samples all of the time.
Let's say I own TAO and I feel so confident in my product that I don't give out any free accounts, I don't lose $1k, and still grow by $3k.

Matter of opinion really...just to use your number, 20 customers equals $1200 a year, $2400 for 2 years...I would suspect that number was higher though.
Stop throwing pointless numbers around.

[R G]

Since you're too scared to reply to my last post, I'll start picking this apart for Jeffery and Bottle.

Oh was I suppose to respond to this drivel?

So you've proven me right. There are no other games that compete with TAO on the same caliber. I've been saying this for awhile. Is this hard for you to understand? It isn't free market.

Matter of opinion don't ya think? TAO might me more to you than it is to me...In that case you are held captive and it is not a free market to you. ;)

Once again, you're throwing around numbers and you have no clue. The average TAO player is probably not 16. People look for ways to pay for anything. As I asked before, how does it surprise you that people want to save money? You're missing the point completely. The point is that you have no clue where TAO's equilibrium price is. If $10 got them 50% less users, they make the same money and have less to deal with, that sounds like good economic trade off. However, it would have to happen to actually see what percentage would pay that amount.

My average age is based upon my experience of those that I have talked too while playing....of course I have not talked to every perspn that plays, but I would say that my guess is pretty accurate.

I don't have a clue what the equilibrim price is, but I do have common sense enough to realize that if you double the price of anything you are more apt too loose more than 50% of your customers.

You lack economic common sense and you can't spell subscribers. Just because you don't have the same numbers of sales does not mean you don't bring in the same amount of money.

No, they would go down. According to micro economics, however, that does not result in decreased profit. You raise it by a buck and you drop 10% of the customers. You've lost no money.

You don't even comprehend what you're saying. The price will not go down so rule that one out. If the price went up, it would do so and produce the same or higher returns until the equilibrium price is established. Above that point the profit would go down.

Really hung up on spelling aren't ya...I usually find that from people who are having a hard time attacking the message result to that...but that's OK.;)

YOU ARE A GOD DAMN BRILLIANT DIRKA DIRKA just raise the monthly price up to $1000 a month and adjust from there...let's see how many people are members then...:rolleyes:


The majority of the cost involved is to host the product. Development was actually free, seed did it for himself for fun. Bills bought it later.

Guess Bills got if out of Seed's bubble gum machine...:rolleyes: I don't know how much it cost, but I am sure it was significant amount of money...if not then shame on Seed for selling it so cheap.

TAO can't do that. Paypal does all the billing and paypal doesn't allow such things. Paypal doesn't allow it because it results in people doing charge backs.

Don't know the specifics of paypal, but if that is the case then link it to a credit card then...It can be done.

Let's say I own TAO and I feel so confident in my product that I don't give out any free accounts, I don't lose $1k, and still grow by $3k.

Might take you longer to do that though...Old saying in business "Sometimes you have to spend money to make money".

[dirka dirka]

Matter of opinion don't ya think? TAO might me more to you than it is to me...In that case you are held captive and it is not a free market to you. ;)
Finally. You get it.

My average age is based upon my experience of those that I have talked too while playing....of course I have not talked to every perspn that plays, but I would say that my guess is pretty accurate.
I would say it is pretty inaccurate.

I don't have a clue what the equilibrim price is, but I do have common sense enough to realize that if you double the price of anything you are more apt too loose more than 50% of your customers.
You're very wrong about this so called "common sense."

Really hung up on spelling aren't ya...I usually find that from people who are having a hard time attacking the message result to that...but that's OK.;)
I'm attacking a message? WTF are you talking about?

YOU ARE A GOD DAMN BRILLIANT DIRKA DIRKA just raise the monthly price up to $1000 a month and adjust from there...let's see how many people are members then...:rolleyes:
Resulting to sarcasm because you know I'm right.

Guess Bills got if out of Seed's bubble gum machine...:rolleyes: I don't know how much it cost, but I am sure it was significant amount of money...if not then shame on Seed for selling it so cheap.
I'm 100% sure that hosting costs more. Considering hosting is upwards of $1k a month.

Don't know the specifics of paypal, but if that is the case then link it to a credit card then...It can be done.
TAO doesn't have the proper credentials to handle credit cards.

Might take you longer to do that though...Old saying in business "Sometimes you have to spend money to make money".
and sometimes you don't.... like in this case.


Since you've resorting to pretty stupid statements, such as the $1000 one, I'm done arguing. You know you're dead wrong.

[Bottle]

Let's say I own TAO and give out free golds for two months....then let's say100 people sign up with the under standing that they will be billed after the free period...I could look at it as I gave out $1000 if I was short sighted like you are Bottle...but if I have vision and I am confident in my product I would hope to retain half of those people for a year or more....What is more important here the loss of $1000 dollars(didn't really cost me that much) initially or did I just grow my business by $3000 a year?

It's a common practice in marketing. You see people give away free samples all of the time.

But you're not taking into account that you aren't gaining a new customer base by doing this. You're supplying the customer base you already have with a freeproduct for a short amount of time. By not offering compensation for the deleted accounts (beyond restoring them), TAO stands to lose maybe 10 customers, that is $600 per year. By offering free accounts to 100+ people for 3 months TAO stands to lose $1500+ over 3 months, and then possibly more if those people do not renew their accounts once the free period is over (due to forgetfulness or loss of interest in the game or financial difficulties that cropped up in those 3 months). Not to mention that those 10 cancellations may well renew a few months later, given that the product is addictive enough to overcome the disappointment in poor service.

[uniquinous]

It's like watching one stubborn dirka battle another stubborn tho more intelligent dirka...

I dunno whether to eat more popcorn, or vomit it up...

[dirka dirka]

It's like watching one stubborn dirka battle another stubborn tho more intelligent dirka...

I dunno whether to eat more popcorn, or vomit it up...
Which one is who!?

[pils]

You are both bone heads.

[Jeffery]

But really the equipment is not free to TAO as the monthly payments pay for them...Like leasing a car...you pay to use the car eventhough the car is not yours.

If the company that provided the servers lost the information then they too should also provide financial compensation back to TAO...and who is to say they haven't.


The equipment upgrade did not cost TAO any extra. Your reference to the upgrade costing TAO money is inaccurate, because TAO would have spent that money on the old servers anyways.

Taking your car lease example...

TAO just traded in their beat up run down 2000 Volvo in for a brand new 2007 Escalade with no different in lease payments.


And your conjecture into who lost the information is moot. The business deal between Bills and uVault wouldn;t matter to any of the players. Whether or not it was one or the others fault, and any compensation from one to another, would not affect any dealings between Bills and his customers.

[serg]

Old rankings can be found here:
http://tacticsarena.com/rankings/greatlakes.html
http://tacticsarena.com/rankings/armageddon.html

[booyaka619]

I lost my gold account and i sent in a ticket but i didnt mention stats so can i just send in another ticket saying my stats?:huh:

[steve12]

I would do that as soon as possible.

[speaker4thedead]

Why am I grey again!

I checked my paypal and it isnt cos I havent payed!

[steve12]

There has been another move. You are going to have to do the same thing you did last time in order to recover your account.

[speaker4thedead]

I am going to go mad with this crap, it really isnt worth it anymore!

[dirka dirka]

I am going to go mad with this crap, it really isnt worth it anymore!

Then don't do it...