Rush, Turt or Freestyle? [Archive] - Tactics Arena Community Forums

Hydro Cloron

08-11-2007, 05:36 PM

Freestyle beats Rush, Rush beats Turt, Turt beats Freestyle... OR NOT?

Kind of like "Rock, Paper, Scissors", or not? Tell me what you guys think, and what you guys use.

What's better than what?

Hydro Cloron

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08-11-2007, 06:00 PM

What is the diffence between rush and free?

skev21

08-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Free covers all forms though... so you can't just say turt beats free as the free set could be a turt set...

The Wild

08-11-2007, 06:08 PM

Replace "free" with anti, it'll make more sense. That system isn't always correct, though. You have to take sides into account, and of course, skill.

bobo99

08-11-2007, 06:23 PM

As The Wild said, there is a lot more to consider, but the basic concept it true.
Turt > Anti
Anti > Rush
Rush > Turt
Is how most people would explain it, and the bomb is the odd-ball which often is based off of luck and unit placement.

trugreatness20

08-11-2007, 06:50 PM

You really cant group them into a what is better than the other system. There are so many forms out there that cant be catagorized and also the fact that all players are at different skill levels. Its really the best player wins (or in my case the lukiest noob wins).

Match Strike

08-11-2007, 07:10 PM

Freestyle can beat anything :rolleyes:

imagination

08-11-2007, 07:20 PM

there are always rock paper scissors. a long time ago it was turt bomb spread. you also have to take into account what style's you can play well and which ones you cant.

steve12

08-11-2007, 09:05 PM

Anti-Rushes are fairly strong in all situations except against opposite side turtles, while I find Rushes to be the most versatile in that they don't have any "Insta-Loss" opponent formations.

Lonely Tylenol

08-11-2007, 09:33 PM

Neither do good turtles, Steve12. :)

Hatchet Warrior

08-11-2007, 10:22 PM

free and rush are the same thing really. Most free players use a rush.

The AIDS Virus

08-11-2007, 11:19 PM

Grey FTW!!!

TeXaS LoNgHoRnS

08-11-2007, 11:56 PM

Malfoy

08-12-2007, 03:51 AM

steve12

08-12-2007, 07:37 AM

Neither do good turtles, Steve12. :)

Heh, yeah, you're referring to Freestlye turtles like the ones in Punishment's guide. Those are fairly versatile, but I find that if both players had equal skill, a rush would almost insure a loss for the turtler. Furgons and Poison Wisps used in the turtle can change the outcome of the game in some situations, but a rush would be tough to stop. It's likely a same-side Anti-Rush would be incredibly difficult to battle considering the large amount of attackers the turtler would be up against, and their initial offensive position.

gryph89

08-12-2007, 07:41 AM

Heh, yeah, you're referring to Freestlye turtles like the ones in Punishment's guide. Those are fairly versatile, but I find that if both players had equal skill, a rush would almost insure a loss for the turtler. Furgons and Poison Wisps used in the turtle can change the outcome of the game in some situations, but a rush would be tough to stop. It's likely a same-side Anti-Rush would be incredibly difficult to battle considering the large amount of attackers the turtler would be up against, and their initial offensive position.

It all comes down to how effectivly you can divide your opponents offense, and shut it down.

Lonely Tylenol

08-12-2007, 08:55 AM

Heh, yeah, you're referring to Freestlye turtles like the ones in Punishment's guide.

God forbid!

I use the same turtle in freestyle games as I do in any turtle game--that is #5 on Punishment's "guide" (sadly, it went unfinished), and I'm the reason it's on such a guide. (By the way, thanks for the credit Pun! :):):):):):):huh::(:cray::roulette: )

I can shut down a rush with a four-attack corner cluster, as should any other sane turtler. That people have to keep reverting to these off-clusters and turtles with no practicality (essentially, anti-rushes with stone clusters), in my opinion, simply lack the technique and subsequently the patience to learn to play the turtle right.

Those are fairly versatile, but I find that if both players had equal skill, a rush would almost insure a loss for the turtler.

Which is why I had my turtle challenge way back when this was still an issue... I don't know why it is again, but I'm in no shape to continue the challenge, as was proven when I ... Well ... Tried to continue the challenge. Heheh.

Wolfman

08-12-2007, 10:17 AM

my turtle challenge....I'm in shape to challenge... Well ...continue the challenge. Heheh.

LT, challenge accepted.

wolfy

Swift

08-12-2007, 10:41 AM

Wolfy! WOW!! You all better?

As well, from what I've seen, antirush can usually beat a turtle if it's mudgolem side.

FreddyAdu23

08-12-2007, 02:21 PM

i personily think that a good turter with a good turt set can beat anti same side and opposite and a rush... tho against the rush it is pretty hard, same side anti is really pretty easy u just have to know about late game stoning, (really hard to master)

imagination

08-12-2007, 03:11 PM

the first turn rule really helps turtles by making bombs less effective. the thing is though that most of the old school turtlers dont play anymore which means that no one really knows how to play a turtle well enough to beat a same side anti or even a rush. there are still a select few that can play a turtle well but not enough to bring it back as a main freestyle form. The rush is just now coming back since myself and others started hating the anti so much that we decided to beat them with rushes and the majority are starting to follow us and use rushes. for the turtle to come back as a main form you need a group of really good players to start owning everyone with turtles (that most everyone can use) and then the majority will follow.

Anarchy_United

08-12-2007, 05:49 PM

Its much more complicated than that.

Anti-Anti-Rush(The modern day rush) beats Anti Rush
Anti Rush Beats Rush(Designed for Turtle), Beats Turtle Same Side
Freestyle Turtle Beats Some Anti-Anti-Rushes and Opposite Side Anti's *
Turtle (From just a straight up turtle game) beats Freestyle Turtle, loses to Rushes and Anti's
All turtles Beat Bombs
Anti-Anti-Rushes and Rushes are about neutral against Eachother

Bombs, other than turtles, beat some and lose to others. Same with Unagressive spreads.

Also, I currently use a Freestyle turtle and a Different form about 50/50 Currently. I'm pretty good with the turtle. I'll have to play you LT, see what you think of my turtle. Great to have you back Wolfy. I hope you are better.

FreddyAdu23

08-12-2007, 06:35 PM

most of the old school turtlers dont play anymore

i still play... i must admit i rusty at playing turt in free games but i used to always do it, i loved it....

planktiffy

08-12-2007, 09:01 PM

umm rush def. doesn't beat turt, it depends on what the sets are, im actually working on a turt that works on both offensive and defensive, depending on how you want to use it and the other persons set-up... and i think i have found it :)

Gypsy

08-12-2007, 10:31 PM

Its much more complicated than that.

Anti-Anti-Rush(The modern day rush) beats Anti Rush
Anti Rush Beats Rush(Designed for Turtle), Beats Turtle Same Side
Freestyle Turtle Beats Some Anti-Anti-Rushes and Opposite Side Anti's
Turtle (From just a straight up turtle game) beats Freestyle Turtle, loses to Rushes and Anti's
All turtles Beat Bombs
Anti-Anti-Rushes and Rushes are about neutral against Eachother

Bombs, other than turtles, beat some and lose to others. Same with Unagressive spreads.

Also, I currently use a Freestyle turtle and a Different form about 50/50 Currently. I'm pretty good with the turtle. I'll have to play you LT, see what you think of my turtle. Great to have you back Wolfy. I hope you are better.
*runs around in circles* *faints*

I play with my own style, which often raises eyebrows. I wish it was because of how pwn it is, but it's probably because of how goofy it is.

Magician

08-12-2007, 11:03 PM

Turtler by trade, though I'm getting into freestyling a bit more. :wink2:

LosPollos

08-12-2007, 11:11 PM

Turtler by trade, though I'm getting into freestyling a bit more. :wink2:
Blasphemy!

Magician

08-12-2007, 11:16 PM

Oh? Suddenly I get condoned for freestyling? Well.. Fine. As you wish.

Nitanius Nolund

08-13-2007, 07:35 AM

I play with my own style, which often raises eyebrows. I wish it was because of how pwn it is, but it's probably because of how goofy it is.

Taking a page out of Tarik's book eh there buddy? :p

Silver Coast

08-13-2007, 08:02 AM

Wait is Tarik your name IROK? :confused:

Nitanius Nolund

08-13-2007, 09:18 AM

Tarik Keyhand is a player from Legends, and one of the most unique players I've ever seen. He kicks some major ass at Legends and FPS freestyle from what I've seen from him, and you're never able to get a counter to his forms, because you'll have never seen his forms before.

Magician

08-13-2007, 10:39 AM

Taking a page out of Tarik's book eh there buddy? :p
xD That one just cracked me up.
Wait is Tarik your name IROK? :confused:
IROK wishes. :p
Tarik Keyhand is a player from Legends, and one of the most unique players I've ever seen. He kicks some major ass at Legends and FPS freestyle from what I've seen from him, and you're never able to get a counter to his forms, because you'll have never seen his forms before.

Unique for sure, though we have never played a "competitive" game. Shame really.

du™

08-13-2007, 11:51 AM

HAHAh i like rush i used it all the time when i used to be gold its the best i think

menace

08-13-2007, 02:03 PM

Melee rush all the way.

steve12

08-13-2007, 02:07 PM

Melee rush all the way.

With good unit placements, and possible inital attacking advantages, I agree.

ucanbeatmeisuck

08-13-2007, 05:19 PM

i gotta say the one im best at......rush =) cause i can beat many antirushers if i rush.

FreddyAdu23

08-13-2007, 05:25 PM

if u ask me it really all depends on the skill of the 2 people battling

phoenixofflames

08-13-2007, 07:22 PM

Rush can be categorized as freestyle..

rush and freestyle aren't 2 different things, therefore a circle of RPS couldnt be made.

planktiffy

08-13-2007, 07:29 PM

Rush can be categorized as freestyle..

well im pretty sure anything can be categorized as freestyle...

steve12

08-13-2007, 08:13 PM

Like the way I rap?

Ancient Ooze

08-18-2007, 01:46 PM

Rush>Turt
Turt<freestlyle
freestlyle>Rush

Although i have seen people with Turt beat Rush, and freestle very easily.

steve12

08-18-2007, 01:53 PM

Rush>Turt
Turt<freestlyle
freestlyle>Rush

Although i have seen people with Turt beat Rush, and freestle very easily.

1. Freestyle 2-0
2. Rush 1-1
3. Turtle 0-2

I think you messed that up a little. Freestyle can be defined by basically any set. I think other sets people aren't mentioning are Spreads, Bombs, and Anti-Rushes. It's a lot more complicated than just 3 types of sets; I believe their are 6 (-7 depending on which side they are on).