New unit released to Gold Account holders - Furgon

[Bills]

The Furgon has been released to all Gold Account holders, please check the index page for a complete update as well as the Beast Units page for the new unit stats. We hope you enjoy it.

Let us know your thoughts on this new unit

[Snork]

I hate to say it, but I think this is the worst unit in the game.
I tried it out, and won't be using it again.
I don't want to play against it either.

All it did was tie up the middle of the board, so neither of us could do anything, it dragged the game out without adding much. Yeah, your guys can hide to recover. But now they're blocked in too. You have to destroy the bushes to get through. And who destroyes the last bush, and gives an oppening to the opponent?

I'm sure some people will like it. But I sure didn't. :(

[insignifiGant]

well... you can still shoot through the bushes with your scout if you know how to... (I do, I do), so you could use that as part of your strategy...

[Aro23r]

I found the perfect set-up using the furgon. Unless you find a good formation with him,he won't be good. Also, scout LOS helps to shoot through those pesky marijuana-looking plants the Furgon grows. :)

[paulk6]

well... you can still shoot through the bushes with your scout if you know how to... (I do, I do), so you could use that as part of your strategy...

how on earth did you figure that out? lol

[Snork]

Originally posted by paulk6
how on earth did you figure that out? lol

Scout trick shots.
There's a thread around here somewhere.

[LondonJack]

Personally i love the furgon. It changes the entire game. It's an effective scout counter (something that was lacking) and gives magi units and teleport units increased value.

Games with two people using furgons can begin to drag. I even drew my last game because me and the other guy had been going at it for an hour, and only 4 units were dead, but overall i think the furgon changes the game for the better.

[Snork]

I just think most games with them are going to be drawn out, stalling affairs.
To me, thats terrible.
I want to be able to attack, get attacked, whatever.

It just slows things down far too much to have most of the board blocked off with a big honkin' forest.

But I recognize some people don't mind a slowed down, hacking through the forest type game.
They'll like the furgon.

For somebody like me that likes to be able to move and attack, it's just annoying.
But I can see the other side.

[Rescorlian]

I totally agree with snork, al; this unit is is a delay tactic, it draws out games to an uneccessary point and removes (in my opinion) a lot of strategy. I know it removes more strategy then it add's. The only thing it really does is makes the mages usefull again (oh yay, mages:p)

I don't wanna totally bash on this guy, as the admin of this game probably worked pretty hard on it. But I think that guy did more damage to gameplay then it did good. And of course everyone's gonna use it as people like delay tactics hiding behind things. It sounds like a cowards weapon to me. Why do I say so, beacuase it makes it so direct battle no longer a problem for those who can't strategize. And even an idiot can use this thing half assed effectively enough to annoy you or even win.

Once again, I wish there was something good I could say about this unit, but I'm gonna add it to my list of crappy new units, and let it sit on the off field.

EDIT- sigh, I am saddened by what this thing has done to gameplay.

[insignifiGant]

well... I think there are things that this unit could do that could make it offensive... the whole "trapping a unit in bushes" thing is appealing...

and I think it could be used with the enchantress for extra protection... this is definately a majorly defensive unit... but I don't know if it's completely worthless because 1. I don't have one, and 2. I can't test it to see it's effectiveness.

[Snork]

bills played me with it, and he used it well for what he was doing. I could have killed it, but wanted to see what he was up to, he ensnared all my guys with bushes.
Now, if that could be done while keeping it safe from harm, do what he did, it might be ok. He tied up my units and came in to attack.

But that's not how other players have been using it.

Another good point about them is they make mud golems useful. Then again, I use a mud golem anyway because they're cool. :)

Furgon does have good points, but I still don't like it in general.

[Twelve]

I don't like the Furgon...but it is important.

You see, in the higher levels of gameplay, the whole fight revolves around who can kill the other's scouts first...because scouts are amazingly powerful. If you lose your scouts, and your enemy still has his, then you'll lose 90% of the time against anybody worth his rating.

The Furgon is a great way to blunt the archer's power...the archer's were just too much until now.

As Rescorlian said, now spellcasters are a bit more important, which is good. You see, a witch can cut through those brushes like crazy.

Unfortunately, they DO make the average game somewhat longer, leading to an increased chance of being disconnected.(I played someone...I won't say his name...yesterday who freakin' put a forest on the screen. By the time I actually go through that forest and got the advantage, I lost connection for the first time ever with my ADSL, giving him the win...I was...ANGRY).

But both of our scouts were reduced in power, making them as effective as other units in their own way, which I feel is fair.

However, if the consensus is to get rid of the furgon, then also cut down the scout's range of attack by one square.



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[ozmaj85]

How do you not like the furgon. Its the one of the best units ever made. Its hilarious just watching it move and create shrubs.:D

[kospades]

Originally posted by Rescorlian
I totally agree with snork, al; this unit is is a delay tactic, it draws out games to an uneccessary point and removes (in my opinion) a lot of strategy. I know it removes more strategy then it add's. The only thing it really does is makes the mages usefull again (oh yay, mages:p)

I don't wanna totally bash on this guy, as the admin of this game probably worked pretty hard on it. But I think that guy did more damage to gameplay then it did good. And of course everyone's gonna use it as people like delay tactics hiding behind things. It sounds like a cowards weapon to me. Why do I say so, beacuase it makes it so direct battle no longer a problem for those who can't strategize. And even an idiot can use this thing half assed effectively enough to annoy you or even win.

Once again, I wish there was something good I could say about this unit, but I'm gonna add it to my list of crappy new units, and let it sit on the off field.

EDIT- sigh, I am saddened by what this thing has done to gameplay.

I have to completely disagree with you on that one resc. It might be a stall tactic for some....but for me it just adds another way that I can strategize against my opponents.

Using the traditional stonie setup...I can set up a nice little wall of shrubs in front of my frostie. Luring the enemy in, freezing them, and then picking them off with my scouts is not a new tactic. It's just that now it's a lot easier to do it. I think it really makes people think a lot more too. for instance, you have to calculate where to move your dragon too so that it can get to the other side of the bushes as quickly as possible. Or, to plan out your scout LOS more carefully. Personally, I think it takes this game from a "who can take out their scouts and bull rush for the win" to a real thinking man's game. But that's just imho.

Oh yea...and btw: FURGONS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rogue_Wolf]

Unfortunately, they DO make the average game somewhat longer, leading to an increased chance of being disconnected.(I played someone...I won't say his name...yesterday who freakin' put a forest on the screen. By the time I actually go through that forest and got the advantage, I lost connection for the first time ever with my ADSL, giving him the win...I was...ANGRY).

MUAHAHAHAH!!!!!....that was me. I did make a forest, the forest of DOOM! That kept you at bay, and distracted you away from your vital units( cleric, stonie, etc ). While both your scouts and 1 of your knights were on one side of the board, I attacked on the other. I had killed your other knight, and was then you froze my dragon :mad: . You then got smart and broke through on the other side. I still had my furgon, knight, and was about to take my frostie to back them up. I was also about to start weed wacking, but then you got disconnected. It would have been interesting to play it out, and I think it would have been a totally different game if we weren't straight across from each other. Who knows. It was still anyone's game.

-Rogue_Wolf

[BoBo The Fool]

Ozmaj: Its hilarious just watching it move and create shrubs.

yeah, i love watching him waddle around :p

As far as i'm concerned, keeping your stonie, frostie and cleric safe from scout fire is the more important thing in the game (at least for my own strategy) and 12 ripped me apart cause he knew the LoS well enough to pretty much ignore my defences. I'm hoping that a few extra shrubs could fill in the gaps to at least take away some of the shots.

On the other hand, i'd HATE to see the furgon in the hands of an imature noob who'd fill up the entire screen with shrubs. Since i have no magic users in my setup (i may change that now) they could create shrubs more than twice as fast as i could get rid of them.

i keep my frugon at the back, so it is only used in extremely defensive scenerios.

[nads]

It's fun to count how many languages you can get greys to swear at you in when you use the furgon. The other fun thing to do is play bills who had 8 furgons. When I asked him if it was 4:20 he informed me they were tomato plants. Heehee

[EddBoy7]

I personally think that the unit is very funny! The way he walkes ank uses his power is so funny! But to say the truth i think that this is a unit for the people that like to hide in corners!! I also makes the game take much longer because u have to destroy all the bushes 1st!!

[Lord Achilles]

This unit was invented for one sole purpose....to piss me off.....oh yes Bills....oh yes Divine Right....I'm on to your plan of engulfing me with frustration and annoyance.....and I will stop it...I promise you that....humans.....

[Mike the Mauler]

I agree with Snork et. el.

Every game I've played against a Furgon I've won. Whether this was due to lack of strategy in using him, I don't know. Personnaly, as an "attack" kind of guy, I would hate to sacrifice anoher offensive unit for a stalling defensive one. They are also relatively easy to kill, so that puts me one up on my opponent.

Finally, the shrubs do provide cover, but I've seen more times that they effectively blocked my opponents own units from attacking mine, a double-edged sword kind of thing. If you use it well, it might help you, but I won't be using him at all.

[Wrath of God]

I actually like the furgon although i think there are much better ideas on the create a unit forum. U just need to learn how to strategically use the furgon i start of by making a huge wall of trees and then i fly my dragon tyrant out and bring out my mud golem (after +30 armor is added) and i wreck the opponent with my dragon tyrant and mud golem as much as i can. then once they're both about to die i fly behind my wall of trees and use my scout and they're trick shots to pick off some units while healing periodically once my tyrant and mud golem are back to full or close to full health i bring them back out and the process starts all over again ( i try to kill pyro's and dmw's first because they r pretty much my formations main weakness) and if someone flies a dragon tyrant through my formation i paralyze it with my frost golem. these are tactics that make the furgon extremely useful for me. I guess i'm kinda the opposite of mike the mauler i'm more into defense

[QuicksandSlowly]

Most respectable players on my server do not use the Furgon. Seed, the creator of this newest unit, hasn't given us an explanation as to why he created a unit that would make games so much longer, but I believe it was because he favors defense and conservative play. His buddy, Furgon, (yes that's who it's named after) a nefarious newb basher and all around funny guy doesn't even like to use it. I'll quote him here, "Furgons suck." If at all possible I would like these annoying units to be removed from play. I rest my case.

[Omega_Paladin]

I like it. I helps bring alot of units that no one was using back into play like the Mud Golem, Beast Rider, and espically Pyros.

[Rescorlian]

Those units were not used for a reason, they suck, just like the furgon. I am rapdily reaching the pont where I just don'y play due to the fact that this unit has butchered the gameplay. And if the creator can't even answer then who can? I must agree there are way better units in the create a unit forum then this trash heap.

I could literally ramble for hours about the cons of this new waste of my time, and spen maybe five on pro's. It has removed more strategy then it has given, "O I think I'll hide behind this bush here, yay look at me, hey theres my dead buddy, I'll hide under him" If you get my point. And I doubt anyone will.

This unit should be removed from play and would be in a ideal world. You know, I think admin should actually have the first ever poll that means something as to this unit being removed. No wait, there are more weak golds that like to use this thing due to lack of skill and strategy.

And don't no one try and tell me I don't know how to use it, I will admit that bills told me that about the stone golem and was very very right. But this guy just flat out blows, I mean it casts a huge forst that takes dozens of turns to get through, and by then al units are rehealed, oh yay!!

This game used to be about who was the brutalist and had the most skill, it just changed to who is the most sneaky and cowardess.

The furgon get's a couple hundred thumbs down.

EDIT- I should add that I know some very strong golds that use it, very few, but those who do I am just shocked they would choose to use such a cowardly... I don't know what to call it certainly not weapon. Diversionary tactic.

[Wrath of God]

well its obvious they're not going to remove the furgon from play so why doesn't someonethink up a good strategy against it.

[Wrath of God]

the trees make your spell casters like dmw's and pyro's much more important if you were to make a strategy against furgons it would need to incorporate those 2 units

[Twelve]

The furgon opens up a new dimension of gameplay, and that's why people don't like it. Heck, I don't like it, but I respect what it does in terms of gameplay.


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[Omega_Paladin]

I think people dislike it because no one really knows how to use or counter it. The Furgon also makes rushing and side swarming obsolete, two very popular tactics. People hate Pyros because of their low damage, but five squares of forest per attack is better then any other unit so...

[Rescorlian]

I am fully aware of how to use it, ask BigX. So then this is for those who are not strategically able enough to deal with a rush? Or how to advantage from a rush by launching a counter rush? Or perhaps it is truly for those who do not wish to engage in a all out battle due to their lacking skills.

And once again I know there are skilled golds who use it, my quetion still stands.

[Navarre]

The furgon is probably the most effective defensive character in the game. Everyone agrees how deadly scouts can be and most golds (if not all) will have two of them in their line-up. So if someone tells me that I am weak and cowardly for trying to provide a defense against them, I really have to laugh. I for one will continue to be one of those ‘ idiots who use the furgon half-assed effectively enough to annoy you and yes, maybe even win.

I guess I must be like those Generals past and present who watched the battle unfold from the top of the hill ‘in the trees’ or ‘safe in a concrete bunker’ watching computer screens. As far as those in ‘direct battle’ go, well there’s always more where they come from right? They’re just pawns and don’t need protection in an ‘ideal (flat) world’ do they? Now where might that world be? The surface of Mars or the Moon perhaps?
Desert Storm – good and flat. Vietnam – bad nasty tangled jungle. The Battlefield is what it is! You don’t get to pick and choose your fights. You learn – You adapt – You Strategize! A good warrior doesn’t whine and say I’m taking my toys and going home cause you guys don’t fight fair.
A Poll to see if the Furgon should stay? I don’t think so! We didn’t develop the game. We just learn how to play more effectively (strategically) with every nuance that gets added.
So if ‘anyone’ is reaching the point where they don’t want to play because the Furgon has butchered the ‘Game’, well, don’t let the door smack you in the ass on your way out.
Just call me the ‘impotent coward Navarre.’
:D :D :p :p

[Rescorlian]

Ah yes, nice post. Very cutthroat, sounds like something I would post. It could be called an intelligant flame. Yes I would also like a wambulance, a crying towel and a cookie.

However, I do not whine, whining would be, mommy my name is navarre and I don't read other people's posts before I reply. Read em again and then answer my questions.

I excepect to get some flame's from that post thus why my reply is so tame. Which server do you play on?

[Navarre]

HeHeHe...Did i strike a nerve?
Welcome to the Jungle

[Rescorlian]

Not even close, but apparently I struck yours :p

[Navarre]

Hmmm..It says Currently active users 16.....12 members ( I count 10) and 4 guests...Could somebody be hiding 'in the bushes'

[Rescorlian]

Hmm, nice analogy, very wrong, but nice none the less. I would insult you and say nasty things about your mother, however it seems you are attempting to draw me into some sort of pissing contest as you may find amusing with your mental age of 12. Do not attemt to swivil the spotlight onto me, it is a waste of time, I have never made any secrets about who I am or what I think. Nice try though. :p

[Navarre]

Oh Well! I guess we should just try to agree to disagree.
Furgon: one vote yes...one vote no

[Rescorlian]

Agreed. Or rather not. :)

[QuicksandSlowly]

I, and my clan leader Rapizt believe that the Furgon is simply overpowered. It's turn recovery time is far too short. If it had a two or even three turn recovery time it would be a much more balanced unit.

[Xalton]

I apologise if this has been stated, but i have been gone for awhile, and havent had a chance to thourougly check teh forums and announcements.

was this unit already in development before I suggested a very similar idea in the thread here (http://tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3093) ?

Was it I who inspired it? ^^

In either case, I rather like it (obviously)

[Omega_Paladin]

I think it was insipired by the guy named Furgon on Legends, or I could be wrong.

[nads]

Originally posted by Xalton
I apologise if this has been stated, but i have been gone for awhile, and havent had a chance to thourougly check teh forums and announcements.

was this unit already in development before I suggested a very similar idea in the thread here (http://tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3093) ?

Was it I who inspired it? ^^

In either case, I rather like it (obviously)


Hmmm, interesting, but exactly how much of that post did you edit? I'm not saying you did edit it at all, but I wouldn't have personally, because then there would be no doubt about it.

[Omega_Paladin]

I personally think that the admins take a few units, take the best from those units and make a really cool new one.

[Xalton]

its my musings thread, so it gets edited a lot. But its not like i read about the furgon and made the mason up, hell the first post mentions the mason.

[Omega_Paladin]

You could have edited the mason once you saw the Furgon. But whatever. Doesn't matter now. The Furgon is out and here to stay and some people like and others don't.

[Xalton]

Well, I know it was posted ages ago, way before the furgon...

But in any case, I'm not really asking you, I'm asking seed.

[Omega_Paladin]

Meow??

[kyrios24]

Nope everyone, I remember seeing the mason pretty early on, maybe right away, in Xalton's thread. Cool idea there, although phenomenally underpowered, which is probably why there aren't any posts about it to prove you're right.:confused: Ah well.

[Cuathon]

look resc your a whiner the furgon is just another strategy the ebst way to bust a forest is to attack then move in to the spot you just opened. scouts are 2 strong they adn mages are my first target and furgon is good for splitting forces you dant have to use units now you just use plants. they are expendable. and since we all use turtle its our own fault. when i used magebomb or offensive i was like the only one same for spread. clusters are no longer the best form except if your opponenet has no furgon if you know how like me you can win in less than 30 minutes

[Rescorlian]

A whiner huh? It's very easy for one to discredit another person with such a thing when they are unable to debate someone's point when they lack the knowledge to do so. Or perhaps it is just some are to ignorant to properly assertain what whining is.

I take offence at such, I have never whined to my recollection on these forums. I was not whining in those posts. If expressing my opinion negatively is percieved as whining, then stop reading my posts. Whining would be continuously posting or spamming. I did none of these things, I posted twice expressing my opinion. Is this a forum where you can only express your opinion when your have something nice to say. NO!

Do not ever show me the disrespect of pawning of my opinion as whining again.

I still stand by my opinion of the furgon from my earlier posts. If you have a problem with this, post with some intelligance and debate my points instead of attempting to discredit it.

[MrMad]

I vote two thing.

#1) The Furgon can be tough for some because people find their nitches and don't like change from that. However the positive outweighs the negative in that it creates a new twist to the game.

#2) Resc is 100% a whiner :)

[Rescorlian]

I also vote 2 things

#1. I have previously agreed the furgon adds strategy to the game, it's the strategy added that is the problem.

#2. Mrmad is a jerk who likes to take pot shots at me whenever he can. Why doesn't he find something better to do with his time?

[Omega_Paladin]

Flame War!!!! EVERYONE QUICKLY! CLEAR THE ROOM!!!

[EddBoy7]

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to celebrate, no, condemn the life of this thread. It was always a comical thread, and many gathered to perpetuate its uselessness. However, all good (or, in this case, terribly, terribly bad) things must come to an end. So, we lay this thread to rest in the pit of Hell from whence it came.
-moment of silence quickly broken by someone burping-

[Twelve]

And the church said...


















































....AMEN!




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[Bug eye]

I never used the furgon but I think a guy named thewiz hated it because he anounced free win and when I fought him all he had was a furgon on the field and he was suicidal.

[Twelve]

Shoot...I thought I ended this discussion.

:D


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[Omega_Paladin]

There really is no way to end a discussion on here short of deleting the thread. Someone always has something to say.

[Twelve]

It was a joke dude...I'm a mod at my own forums, and I know that veeeery well. As a matter of fact, the worst way to end a discussion is to declare an ending to it.


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[Snarr]

Lets see if I can do it...
THE END.

[BlackSyphon]

I am just here to ruin some clinchers..... HA, well on the topic, I think the furgon is useful to block a scouts los as well as creating a wall in front of your left behind clerics and maybe a stoney. That way, you can go outand attck and know that they are safe, usually you would keep one attacking unit behind however.

If you use it, learn to use it correctly, to much furgon activity restricts your own movement and not just your opponent. I am not perfect, but I am getting better with it...

Good Luck with yours, I think it is worthwhile to use instead of an LW (BTW).

du

[Snarr]

I cannot believe you just did that. I'm so gonna have te last word here. This thread is DEAD.

[Office_Shredder]

Igor, bring me the scalpel! *Cue eerie music*

It's alive! Muwahahahahha!

[BlackSyphon]

Ha, the clincher was ruined again...

[Snarr]

Heheheh this time it will stay dead!
*After a difficult battle snarr slays the thread and yells: "stay dead!"*
*He then procedes to cast the threadus closus spell to make sure it will not be resuarected*

[Bottle]

Good luck with that one Snarr, you can't moderate this forum:D

[Snarr]

-=LOL=-
Ok Ok I was hoping the mere thougth of the "threadus closus spell" will scare you guys away but it seems a little show of power is needed.

I declear this thread CLOSED!

[Snarr]

*mumbles something about stupid office shredders anarchist ways*

Fine fine but I'm closing the one you made in general discussion...

[complex]

snarr why dont u jus try sneezin or kickin usually helps me

[Office_Shredder]

Originally posted by Snarr
*mumbles something about stupid office shredders anarchist ways*

Fine fine but I'm closing the one you made in general discussion...

WOOT! I beat the system!

If only I looked at the announcements forum more often so I knew I won earlier...:o

[Palaman]

bumpadee bump bump

[Snarr]

You may have beat the system but I still have the last post here :D

[Majestic]

no you dont mwhahahaha

[Snarr]

Do too...

[Rescorlian]

Do not :)

[Office_Shredder]

You know what I realized?

FURGON RULES!!!

[Snarr]

In conclusion furgns will always be furgons.
The end.

[LondonJack]

The last post is mine, all mine

hehehehehehehehehe it's mine do you hear, all mine.

[tabula rasa]

No London........ITS MINE!

MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA...ahhh who am i kidding u'll probably take it back one day :(

[LondonJack]

Nah i wouldn't do that.

[Office_Shredder]

I'm king of the furgon thread!

[Snarr]

OK you know what I'm not even gonna try to have the last post on this anymore.

[Office_Shredder]

Damn straight, and that feeble reverse psychology isn't going to work either:D

[LondonJack]

You guys can have the last post, i don't even want it.

[Office_Shredder]

It won't work this time either:D :p

Let's add some new content. I've been thinking of making a furgon bomb, what do you all think of the idea?

[AFI LTJ]

i wish that would work but a few problems w/ that...

1. onnly get 1 furgon
2. how will u win
3 idk i g2g

[Office_Shredder]

Well, the basic idea is to hack your way into 10 furgons, and make shrubs every turn

[Snarr]

Damn office shredder doesnt give up.

[Office_Shredder]

Of course I don't give up.... I want the whole world to know the fury of the furgon bomb! Bow to its almighty will!

I am the furgessiah! My coming forshadows the coming of the kingdom of furgons!:D

[LondonJack]

Some day i will have the last post on this thread

[drakonfire]

*is bored*


but not today! ;)

[LondonJack]

There's still a slim chance it could be today ;)

[Office_Shredder]

This thread is so retarded, I'm not going to reply to it.... never mind:D

Come on, you have to discuss furgons to post here. I think furgons should have a secondary ability that covers every empty tile with a shrub.

[LondonJack]

I think it would be interesting if furgons could make a wall of shrubs five spaces long. Should be easy to add this option to their attack, as part of their attack range just have an outlying square 5 spaces out from them on every side. If you click on one of the outlying sqaures the furgon makes a wall, if you click on one of the close squares the furgon makes a cross.

Anyway, just a random idea

[Office_Shredder]

You know what would be cool? If furgons could summon carnivorous shrubs

[LondonJack]

I think cannabalistic shurbs would be better, shrub eating shrubs. :D

[Office_Shredder]

Yeah, that would be cool.... only if you summoned more than one on your side, they would eat each other:o

[Snarr]

Still here eh?
Oh well go on go on.

[Office_Shredder]

Why would I ever give up this thread? Twenty more posts and I'm legally married to it under Mexican law:D

[LondonJack]

*cough**hack**cough*

*tries to cover the sound of his post*

*cough**hack**weez**cough*

[Office_Shredder]

HAH! My furgon spies have revealed your evil plot lj... snare him, furgie!:p

I refuse to not have the last post on this thread!

[LondonJack]

Can we share the last post? Just edit this one with your message when they make you mod.

[Office_Shredder]

If I become a mod, we can share the last post.;)

[LondonJack]

Sounds good, we can share this one, it has a nice ring to it, London and OS the final posters of the Furgon announcement thread.

[Office_Shredder]

Well, neither of us are mods yet so we don't share the last poster award yet....

until then, I'm going to have to keep posting after you:p

[LondonJack]

Well since you are next in line for the honor of modship, would be best if you just waited the couple days and edited this post, so this old thread can finally be put to bed, she's a tired old bird.

[Office_Shredder]

Where does it say I'm next in line for modship? That's a nice thing to hear:)

[LondonJack]

That's just what i hear, best to be patient and wait to edit this post, otherwise this thread might accidently get closed locking you out of having the last post, shared or otherwise :(

[xyxaxyz2]

No one uses furgons anymore. :(

Which is pretty much what I predicted when Furgon was just coming out, all those weeks ago.

[Office_Shredder]

Well, there is no way I'm letting xyxaxyz2 get the last post;)

h()()t still uses a furgon to great effect, I played him and we tied

[LondonJack]

The idea that "no one" uses it is just Xyx and his tendency to exaggerate. Of course some people still use it, so there is no need to respond to that, but overall you don't see it used that much.

[xyxaxyz2]

There was a time when nearly every gold used furgon. Now nearly everyone has recognized its weaknesses.

[Snarr]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
There was a time when nearly every gold used furgon. Now nearly everyone has recognized its weaknesses.

Thats nonesense.

[Office_Shredder]

The problem is that everyone mage bombs or uses mud golems... but if the rest of your setup is good, you can easily beat the furgon's weaknesses using a nine unit setup

[Omega_Paladin]

With their new attack Mud Golems are far too overpowered. They were just fine before. They should of added a ability to the Pyro where it's fire would spread and destroy like twice as many bushes or something.

[Office_Shredder]

The last thing we need is making pyros even better... besides, most mage bombs use mud golems either way.

[LondonJack]

Nothing to see here, move along people, move along.

[xyxaxyz2]

They were just fine before.

Why didn't anyone use them before?

[Snarr]

If you are gonna torture this pool dead thread at least keep it on the topic of furgon and not pyros...

I just thogh about something, furgon makes weed, and furgon can get stoned too. Stoned furgon should like get something special.

[cs_zero]

LOL
thats all i have to say,
btw:i dont use the furgon anymore.

[xyxaxyz2]

Snarr is the only good player who uses furgons these days.

[Tidge87]

I think they should make the furgon make harder weeds when they are stoned. It would make the seeds so u would have to hit it 2 times. They could be undestroyable too.

[Office_Shredder]

Originally posted by Tidge87
I think they should make the furgon make harder weeds when they are stoned. It would make the seeds so u would have to hit it 2 times. They could be undestroyable too.

UNDESTROYABLE WEEDS!!!! THAT WOULD BE INSANE!!!

[ck1]

Originally posted by Tidge87
They could be undestroyable too.


AHHH thats not gonna happen cause then people could get automatic draws or wins by surrounding a unit completely, so not even a scout could hit them, or a DMW

[Office_Shredder]

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!!!!!111!!!!111!!111!!11!!!1!!

GO FURGONS!

Pink furgons should get double blocking

[Aro23r]

That would be 100% blocking from the front, which, by definition would become 100% blocking on all sides.

=Þ

[Office_Shredder]

So?????

[xyxaxyz2]

Wouldn't it be 50% sides?

[Aro23r]

If you'll notice, all units with 100% blocking in the "front" have 100% blocking on the "sides".

OR if you look at it the other way,

Yes, one half of 100% would be 50%, so it's a toss up as to which way it would go.

[Office_Shredder]

Actually, that's because the only units with 100% blocking are stationary, so have no sides.

[Bottle]

Or to put it another way, how could you tell the front of a lightning ward from the back? Now look at the furgon, I think you can tell which end the back is.....

[xyxaxyz2]

Who attacks Furgons anyways? Until the end?

[Bottle]

I find that using scouts to snipe at furgons while they are shrubbing tends to make them a little less eager to turn the battlefield into a giant forest. Psychological warfare is a wonderful thing:D

[Serge]

I get the last post!

Oh yeah, being a grey I hated furgons from the moment I read about their ability. Also, Xalton, or whoever, made up that idea about the mason before he could have heard about the furgon.

[Office_Shredder]

No last post for you!

Snarr, it looks like we revived this thread:)

[LondonJack]

Originally posted by Office_Shredder
No last post for you!

[xyxaxyz2]

I'm goinig to keep posting here until someone proves that furgons are useful.

[camolots_guardi]

there usefull, i dont use them but ive faced them and man they make me mad they just make there little shrubs and block my attacks and when i cut them down it just makes more thanks to its one turn recovery so the furgon is quite useful

[Aro23r]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
I'm goinig to keep posting here until someone proves that furgons are useful.

Then play me, and you'll see just how the Furgon is supposed to be used.

[xyxaxyz2]

Ok...I'll be there in an hour or so. :D

[Office_Shredder]

You should see my 4 cleric setup..... no attacking units, the idea is to stall until the opponent just gives up:D

[LondonJack]

I had 4 clerics and 4 barriers for a while and thought about doing a setup like that ;)

[Office_Shredder]

It was pretty funny..... I tried playing it off against a mage bomb.

Can you say cleric burn?:(

[Snarr]

*Tries to get away with being last post.*

[Darrington]

I should soon be a gold, but either way, seeing a post that is trying to get away with being lost... You almost CANT not post here.

I can see some good points of a Furgon... Its pretty much just an inconvenience to the other team, plus it would work well for blocking in something like an ice golem to not be attacked... Or could it also block in other things to prevent them from moving, like the opposing team's frost golem, to prevent them from moving, since they wouldnt be able to attack their way out (unless freezing them gets rid of the bush. I dont know, not having played a Furgon all too much myself. This is all hypothetical.)

Buut... Really, is it all that much better than say, a barrier ward? And even still, is it worth replacing a decent attacking unit for that?

I donno. I probably wont even try it unless I fight someone who shows me how a Furgon can be really good. But hey, its worth saying something. Just to annoy people I dont know. ;)

- Darque

PS - I didnt bother reading the other 4 or so pages, cause really, Im lazy.

[Cavour]

1) Its 10 pages now ;)
2) WHOA!! this is a long thread for the Announcements board
3) Aro and wbwgr use furgons very well (or so Ive heard ;) )
4) They can be useful as long as you know how to use them... I personally dont often use them, but they are effective in a good amount of battles
5) Tip: dont use him against a Mage Bomb or a muddy user... eek
6) I hope nobody posts after me...

[xyxaxyz2]

Aro beat me for the last time with a furgon setup. :) Still don't think furgons are worth it.

[Office_Shredder]

X got punked!:p

[xyxaxyz2]

Revenge will come. Furgies do not win.

[cs_zero]

*clears throut*
i will get the last post here thank u very much:D :cool:
BTW: i would say the furgon is good 40% of the time

[xyxaxyz2]

More like 4% of the time. More like .4% of the time. More like never.

[Aro23r]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
Revenge will come. Furgies do not win.

Game two will arrive and i'll prove to you that they do, indeed, win.

Note: My army, which included a stone golem and a furgon, beat xyx's army, which did not include a stone golem, nor a furgon. (BWAHAHAHA, and he said both of them were useless. *Actually only the furgon he said was useless, he said the stone golem is good vs. only certain set-ups.)

[xyxaxyz2]

You didn't even include the most embarrasing fact. Your form also included a second cleric, which I killed first turn without repercusion. So I was defeated from a 3 unit lead.

[Darrington]

Thats rough luck. Or skill. Or whatever it is.

Id love to see a game where a Furgon is actually effective... All the golds Ive fought have... er... well, sucked with them.

Stone golems Ive always found to be extremely useful, but then again, Ive always been a grey, and always only had 1 scout. How do they fair against another gold?

Theres probably a strategy session thingy in the gold forums, but as my accounts have yet to be switched (paid only yesterday, so Im not worried) I dont have access to that yet...

Meh.

*runs off, already knowing he wont get last post*

[Office_Shredder]

The thing with stone golems is even if your opponent brings his scout in close enough to shoot it, unless they are also using a stone golem a dragon shot with a knight or scout hit kills the opposing scout... if they heal, you can just bop him with your other scout. Then you restone :D

So then your opponent has to sac a scout to get rid of the stone, which is worth it in my opinion. So the stone isn't bad just because of the two scouts.

[Darrington]

Ya, Im also thinkin that.

Plus there is the whole Frost Golem thing that could stall an extra move to 'bop' the archer one more time.

I plan on experimenting a little, between that, and using another knight.

But most of that probably isnt suited for this thread... So ill just be patient, twiddle my thumbs, and wait for my account to be changed.

Cheerio.

- Darque

[Office_Shredder]

Anyway, back to furgons. If you use your furgon right, you can deny your opponent the opportunity to sacrifice his scout to ping your stone golem, which is good.

[Serge]

When, I finally go gold, I will scout LOS trick-shot all over your furgon bushes. So what now chump.

[Office_Shredder]

Not if I make them 3 rows deep :p

[Cavour]

I wonder wholl get the last post on this unneccasarily long thread...

[LondonJack]

I'm guessing it won't be Cavour

[xyxaxyz2]

Won't be LJ either.

[Office_Shredder]

STOP SPAMMING MY PRECIOUS FURGON THREAD!!!!!

The precious... my precious.... no one will take you from me

[LondonJack]

No one is trying to take it from you OS, it's just nature's way. All children leave the nest eventually, it's best to just let the thread go.

[Serge]

***sneaks in unnoticed, leaving his post***

"Heh, who has the last post now?"

***realizes that his post sets off an alarm telling everyone there was a new post here***

"Gamn, thought that was easy..."

***Is suddenly surrounded by bushes***

"No, it was a trap!"

***Is incapable of escape***

Mysterios Voice: "So, you thought you could just waltz in here and get the last post in, huh?"

Serge: "No, that's not what I was doing at all..."

MV: "Heh, you will not get away with these transgessions, and I will explain why with my post which is located right here" V

[Office_Shredder]

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! YOU HAVE UNCOVERED MY SECRET IDENTITY!!! THE FURGON OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LondonJack]

While OS is busy dealing with Serge...

*Sneaks in and gets the last post*

*Sneaks out without anyone noticing, since the alarm was already going off*

[Office_Shredder]

But I'm still shrubbing up the area :p

[LondonJack]

<ent

your shrubs have no effect on me

[Darrington]

But what if I go in with my... worm... of... doom? and eat all the shrubs.

Eh? What THEN?

[Office_Shredder]

You forgot, I'm stoned by a golem right now, so my shrubs are indestructable :eek:

[LondonJack]

Ok this thread is officially closed, sorry guys but no more whoring here.

[Serge]

Yep, LJ is right, just closed it sorry. People begged me not to but I closed it.

[Office_Shredder]

next time you close a thread, be a mod :p

[LondonJack]

Still waiting on you to be a mod, what happened you step on the wrong toes on your way to the top?

[Office_Shredder]

I killed snarr and hacked his account, so I should be able to convince DR on that account to make me a mod...

the perfect crime:D

[LondonJack]

You noob, if you have access to Snarr's account why exactly do you need your OS account moded?

[Office_Shredder]

Because I can't hide snarr's corpse forever...;)

[LondonJack]

Look man, if your not going to have a "can do" attitude, you might as well just turn yourself in.

[Office_Shredder]

Come on, I'm trying my best.... but the neighbors are complaining about the smell:(

I don't have time to become a mod, I need to destroy the evidence... I'll be on as snarr tomorrow hopefully though (my mom's dad knew someone who knew someone in the mafia, so I have a hook up).

And I need to hide the fact that I flew to France somehow.... and change my IP address...... and get this blood out of my tuxedo... who knew Frenchies bled green:eek:

[LondonJack]

Excuses, Excuses, see this is what i mean, if you are going to have such a defeatest attitude, just save the cops the trouble man.

And seriously, what's with the lack of planing? Blood? if you had simply strangled him blood wouldn't have been an issue, or make it look like he OD'd or something, that way neither blood nor the body would have been an issue, bah amateurs.

[Serge]

I always thought that Snarr was an aussie, but if he bleeds green. Now seriously, I am a mod now, DR just didn't tell anyone 'cause he knew they would get jealous. And if snarr is dead than who is using the LJ account? Now it's closed this time. I mean it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xyxaxyz2]

It is closed, finally...too bad, I was hoping for the last post.

[LondonJack]

Yeah that sucks, damn you serge and your abuses of your new mod power :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Office_Shredder]

Ok guys, nothing to see here, just move on..... it's closed

[LondonJack]

Yep i agree, nothing to see here

[Serge]

Yeah, sorry I abused my powers and stole the last post. DR got ticked and took away my mod status...

[Office_Shredder]

Yeah, I hope I get that extra mod spot :D

[Serge]

Good luck on that buddy...

[Office_Shredder]

Now that I'm a mod I'm closing this thread. :p

[LondonJack]

Glad to hear they finally made you mod OS, now make with the editing of this post and shut this baby down :D

[Office_Shredder]

I'm getting closer to a mod..... I'm a marshall for the tournament, I'm working my way up the ladder ;)

[LondonJack]

Hey that's cool man, well i will go ahead and set you up then...


THIS POST RESERVED FOR LATER MOD EDIT

[Office_Shredder]

I'll delete this whenever I become a mod :D

until then, I get the last post :p

[LondonJack]

sure np, you can have last post

[Office_Shredder]

Ok then, I'll take it ;)

You know what I realized? Furgons really have nothing going for them as long as a mud golem is out.... then by the time the muddie is dead, the furgon is dead too:mad:

[LondonJack]

yeah the mudquake was a little ill timed.

[Bottle]

Not really. I set up my shrubs early on, which the muddie moves in and destroys. I reset any shrubs that I need, paralyse the muddie, barrier the frosty, and continue shrubbing, picking off the muddie with my scouts. Result: one dead muddie and no loss of shrubs or units. So long as you can hold off any other units that attack while you're doing this, of course.

[Office_Shredder]

That's interesting bottle, someone in my clan did the exact same thing to me..... then I nailed his BW and cleric while he killed the mud golem with his LW (the knights were all enshrubbed from blockiing my units, and beating their way to the muddie would have opened the FG to my scouts).

It was pretty funny

[LondonJack]

I might rate that haha funny, but not LOL or rofl funny.

[Snarr]

Arrr the Furgon is the last unit to have came out, it's been like 3 months! I declear the topic closed.

[Bottle]

Ask bludhoundz how well my strategy works. Yesterday I got a perfect win against him using these very tactics. My knowledge of LOS was good enough to block out any attacks on my furgon (which he managed to get down to 2hp at one point), cleric or BW. Meanwhile I picked off his muddie with my dragon and scouts, through the bushes. From then on it was a simple matter to freeze his scout straight after his other one had shot, finish that one off, then do the same to the other scout before freezing his dragon and killing that too. In the end, he had a stony and paralyzed LW left, while I had taken no damage thanks to my cleric... he surrendered:D

Furgons RULE.

[xyxaxyz2]

No they don't. Furgons are weak.

[Office_Shredder]

Furgons totally rule.... I mean, if they didn't, why do so many people post here?

[xyxaxyz2]

Nearly every time an opponent furgon shrubs an area, and this was true both when I am gold and grey, I go, whew, that was an opening I was worried about, now I don't need to defend that anymore. I can use my golems and knights a lot more now, because they aren't needed to defend my cleric against scouts.

[Bottle]

Not strictly true. A dragon and muddie combo can strike beyond the bushes reasonably quickly, as I showed in my match against you, xy; unfortunately your luck in getting the first turn and the right side meant you virtually killed one of my 4 damaging units on the first turn, greatly reducing the chance of me winning. Still, I look forward to the rematch, where if I get the first turn or the right side, I will show you the furgon's true power.

[xyxaxyz2]

A dragon and muddie combo can strike beyond the bushes reasonably quickly, as I showed in my match against you, xy;

Kill the muddy and freeze the dragon and the shrubs help to block the frosty from opponent scouts.


unfortunately your luck in getting the first turn and the right side meant you virtually killed one of my 4 damaging units on the first turn

1. I didn't understand why you didn't heal.
2. I didn't understand why you didn't barriar.
3. I didn't even kill your scout untill you let my freeze it with my frosty.
4. A dragon in range of that scout isn't uncommon.

Still, I look forward to the rematch, where if I get the first turn or the right side, I will show you the furgon's true power.

I very much look forward to that match as well.
:)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
1. I didn't understand why you didn't heal.
2. I didn't understand why you didn't barriar.
3. I didn't even kill your scout untill you let my freeze it with my frosty.
4. A dragon in range of that scout isn't uncommon.

1. I did when I had time. There was an extremely dangerous move that you could have made which I had to block almost every turn, so I just couldn't do it. I was on the backfoot from the very start.

2. Barriering mean he couldn't be healed, the best thing I could do was retreat him but again I didn't have time to.

3. By that point, I had decided my only chance of winning was to take out your cleric and muddie, and chip away at your remaining units with my scout and dragon. The scout was bait for this; he wasn't much use anyway in the position he was in, since he couldn't be healed easily.

4. In most turtles, the dragon is far enough back to prevent that. Against a semi-rush tactic, like the one you used, I invariably lose anyway since I only have 4 damage units and rely on a long battle. I'm going to have to adapt my strategy; more people use that type of strat now than when I last played, over a month ago.

Still, I look forward to the rematch too, so long as you don't get the right side and the first turn again:D

[xyxaxyz2]

There was an extremely dangerous move that you could have made which I had to block almost every turn

What was it? :)

[Aro23r]

XYX, may i remind you of the game you had vs. me a week ago (roughly)

[Office_Shredder]

Your cleric attacks his scout, duh. If he doesn't block it means you hacked into the system ;)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
What was it? :)

I blocked them all.:D

[Office_Shredder]

Hmmmm.... I had a game a while ago where I realized how powerful the furgon was.... my opponent was using one, and by the end he was stuck in a mass of bushes at the mercy of my scouts:p

If only I could replicate those results with MY furgon...

[Aro23r]

Now, you see, that is an example of a bad use of the furgon.

[Serge]

I love playing newb golds who use furgons, they don't make enough shrubs to block me from shooting their most valuable units with my scout, but they block thier own units from coming out to attack me. So I only have to deal with the muddy or dragon coming after me. I love when they block in their scouts and then have to go back break those shrubs, it gives me enough time to heal with both clerics. :D

[xyxaxyz2]

The great thing against fighting opponents with only 4 units is, I know I can always trade 1 for 1 and be victorious.

[Office_Shredder]

Actually, bludhoundz (who was using Bottle's setup I think) made me trade one for one with his BW and frosty and stuff before I could trade with his attacking units.... that setup is quite effective I must say (although I wasn't allowed to use my DSM or pyro because he knew he would lose to them ;))

[xyxaxyz2]

Who won? :)

[Bottle]

You have to really know your stuff to use the setup I do; scout LoS knowledge is absolutely vital, and you HAVE to take out the muddie first, by freezing and sniping it while defending your frosty; even if you manage that, you then have to get one of the scouts without your frosty being shot by the other one; and then you have to keep out a dragon while you finish off the last scout. It's not easy, I tell you. The more time you have, the better. If you have the same side it's even more difficult since you have less time to set up the necessary LoS blocking shrubs.

Shouldn't this be in Gold Strategy?:D

[Office_Shredder]

Actually bottle, he did everything you said.... but my Beast Rider and scout and dragon coming down the weak side never gave him time to deal with the mud golem and scout and assassin coming down the strong side;)

Of course, I do have |337 skills, so it could just be that :D

[LondonJack]

This is in no way an attempt to get the final post, i'm just here to comment on furgons...

They are nifty.

[Office_Shredder]

They are... even furgon haters have to admit they're an innovative unit

[Cavour]

Why is this still ALIVE?!? Ahhhhh...

*prays that by some odd twist of fate, someone will close this thread before someone else can get the last post*

[Office_Shredder]

Nope.... I'm still around :p

[Snarr]

And that kids, is why we don't whore up the Announcements forums.

[Aro23r]

Indeed.

[xerent]

Absolutly.

[Aro23r]

Mods can post in closed threads but regular members cannot. Whoo hoo!!!

[xerent]

Perhaps we should make a thread in GD and close it right away. Call it the mod thread or something. And post highly controversial subjects... the kind where everyone has something to say about it.

But that would just be lame. ^^

[Aro23r]

Indeed, but say anything semi-controversial in Random Discussion Thread, and you will get controversy immediately. Give it a try. It's fun.

[Snarr]

What the!? You little rats!!

[Aro23r]

Alright, you vole, tell us why you dare call us rats, when anyone with intelligence could tell us we are shrews.

[Snarr]

Dude you got an extra 'us' in that sentence.

[Aro23r]

No, I don't. Where?

[Snarr]

Alright, you vole, tell us why you dare call us rats, when anyone with intelligence could tell us we are shrews.

It changes the meaning, but this meaning means more sense then as it is now.

[Aro23r]

Originally posted by Snarr
It changes the meaning, but this meaning means more sense then as it is now.

Ya lost me on that one, snarr.

[Snarr]

Let's just forget about it then.