Is the Bible Scientific?

[Take a Look]

Why This Thread?


I had a debate with my teacher in class today. He asked me some questions about religion, and i explained to him, that i believe in god, but not the same way as he does. He got pissed, Yelled at me and said " Your going to Hell." (And I'm not kidding) I laughed, And then he said " God put you here to test my faith" Since i have respect for the older i stopped the debate there. Later on he gave us an assignment, a special one for me. The assignments the class got was "Have we been lied to by the government?" Mine is "Have we been lied to by the government and the religion?" I took a little part out of my assignment and here it is.


The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to. We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched.
The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about
and that's controlling the whole damn world.

The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere.
You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
..'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims.

religion.


Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever till the end of time.


But he loves you!


So, what do you think.. Is the bible Scientific? And am i wrong or right?

Remember.. I BELIEVE IN GOD! In my own Way

[Dea†h Dealer]

Lol, Was that actually in your assignment ?

Sounds a bit naughty:p hehe.

And sorry I cant answer that question, lol !
Strange

Thankss

[Take a Look]

Lol, Was that actually in your assignment ?

Sounds a bit naughty:p hehe.

And sorry I cant answer that question, lol !
Strange

Thankss

Actually, it's not strange a bit, if you knew my school and my teachers.

[endless]

Not another one of these threads.

Ill save everyone the trouble.

I win.

See, now no more arguing..

Edit: 1.) your teacher is a nut job. 2.) Religion is the biggest scam of all time.

[KBHoleN1]

The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels.
I think this sentence sums up the part I agree with. Right or wrong, I don't know about. But that fact that man created religion leaves the distinct possibility that it could all be a load of shit. But if someone believes it to be true, I can't call them a moron. Maybe I'm the moron for not believing. But I've got the same right to believe what I want.

[Wizzy`]

The bible isn't scientific.
The theory of Evolution is.

Isn't that what the whole argument with Evolution vs. God?

Science, or God.
(evolution)

Thinkbeforemakingthreads.

[The AIDS Virus]

Unitarian Universalist is the way to go!!

[Hellblazer]

1. Sue his ass for preaching religion in that serious manner in a public school.
2. Of course the Bible's not scientific. Since when has a guy ever been able to die, then get back up a week later and push a big-ass boulder out of the way?

Edit: Oh, I'm sorry, The_Jester. Did I offend your wittle weligion? Pfft, you're a useless waste of oxygen.

[Memory of Light]

Unitarian Universalist is the way to go!!

Im not UU, but all the UU people i know are pretty kick ass.

[DarkfirePhoenix]

Quite frankly, I'm just confused as to what happened to the separation of church and state.

[Sangro]

that's the dumbest question i've ever heard.

[savanna]

the bible is a book. nothing but. it was stories told on by hundreds of generations by man.
FOR EXAMPLE; just like The Odyessey.
it was told down tons of generations.
and the story was changed.
so who are we to say that the bible is strict fact?
its a book.
and shouldnt be worshiped.

[Alaric]

Mhh. I am aithiest. The education system sucks and is dictated by corporations. I thought pretty much everyone knew that. I used to seek out all religous people and try to make them see how retarded they are for believing in God, and by the way my arguements are WAY more pursuasive than this guys. Now I dont really care, just dont preach to me and I wont have to shake you of your faith, simple.

[Xiahou Dun]

The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to. We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched.
The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about
and that's controlling the whole damn world.

The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere.
You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
..'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims.

religion.


Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever till the end of time.


But he loves you!

I am almost certain that is just a quote from Zeitgeist(And Zeitgeist quoted half of it from someone else). You wouldn't want to fail your assignment through plagiarism now would you?:p

[IPlayWoW]

1. Sue his ass for preaching religion in that serious manner in a public school.

Typical American, omg sue him!

But anyway, I completely agree with what Wizzy said :eek:

Evolution vs. God.

Evolution sure as hell makes a lot more sense, but maybe that's because I'm an athiest. As I said, I may be an athiest, therefore biased... but really, why would you willingly believe that "God" created all life? Something no one can prove or disprove. I only believe things when I see proof of certain claims.

So no, in my opinion, the bible is not scientific, but eh, what do I know?

My true belief... Religion is a bunch of bullshit.

[Memory of Light]

wow i has 9999 rep. lolz.

haha assuming the blue guy is northwind, its cause cuathon is permabanned.

[Realist]

my arguements are WAY more pursuasive than this guys. Now I dont really care, just dont preach to me and I wont have to shake you of your faith, simple.

I'm sure the great religions are quaking in their boots.

[Hellblazer]

Typical American, omg sue him!

Yes, automatically lump me with the rest of this vile country just because I said sue him. I said that because I hate religion and all its ties to modern culture. It is illegal to preach religion in that sort of tone and to use it as a direct change to one person's assignment, and I view this sort of behavior as highly intolerable. It's illegal and I'm a devout atheist. A lawsuit seems to fit.

[Anarchy_United]

I'm sure the great religions are quaking in their boots.

wellies! Always use quaking in their wellies when using that phrase, it has an awesomeness factor of >boots. Even if it is a pretty awesome phrase to begin with.

[A-99]

Why This Thread?


I had a debate with my teacher in class today. He asked me some questions about religion, and i explained to him, that i believe in god, but not the same way as he does. He got pissed, Yelled at me and said " Your going to Hell." (And I'm not kidding) I laughed, And then he said " God put you here to test my faith" Since i have respect for the older i stopped the debate there. Later on he gave us an assignment, a special one for me. The assignments the class got was "Have we been lied to by the government?" Mine is "Have we been lied to by the government and the religion?" I took a little part out of my assignment and here it is.


The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to. We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched.
The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about
and that's controlling the whole damn world.

The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere.
You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
..'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims.

religion.


Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever till the end of time.


But he loves you!


So, what do you think.. Is the bible Scientific? And am i wrong or right?

Remember.. I BELIEVE IN GOD! In my own Way

Umm lets try and read the bible and understand it before making ignorant comments k? Firstly, if you understand the meaning of the bible that is, God gave us 10 rules to follow, and he did say that you would go to hell for sinning. But by REPENTING for your sins you would be forgiven. Even if you committed terrible crimes, you would be forgiven for what you have done as long as you accept the responsibility and ask for forgiveness. The Bible says that if you are ignorant and do not repent then yes, to hell you go, but that's all on whether you believe in God or not.

It's your choice to accept a religion or not. But it's also your also your responsibility to understand the bible if you're going to argue against it. Something all you juvenile 'atheists' need to do. If you want to see a real atheist's argument go to the Christian Discussion Thread.

[Hellblazer]

I understand the Bible. I'm also going to see the Pope this Saturday in Yonkers. It would be so great to get a shot of me next to him just to show how much of an antithesis I am. I doubt I'll get that close, though.
I do think this topic should eventually be closed, though, because there already is a Christian-bashing thread.

[~Priest~]

This sounds very existentialist. You say you believe in God, then define that belief. Are you agnostic? Or do you believe in Jesus?

[Ächilles]

http://www.mysubtitles.com/subtitle/Download/american-zeitgeist_17373_21068_1_1.html

Do you normally pass off popular movies and documentaries for your own work?

Edit: Wow, you're seriously an idiot. Not only did you plagiarize Zeitgeist, you also took the part where the narrator plays a George Carlin clip and passed that off as your own too. You're a dimwit. Did you think nobody would notice? You just totally owned yourself.

Edit Edit: George Carlin: http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm

Edit Edit Edit: You even have Zeitgeist quoted in your sig, you douche!

[~Priest~]

Ha ha that's great, either way they both sound like idiots; he's just more of an idiot for copying an idiot.

[A-99]

Lol Achilles for Mod!

[Ro Shambo]

You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
..'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims.

religion.

soo, was this thread to sit here and listen to conspiracy theories? Wow, it must be the illuminati.




Umm lets try and read the bible and understand it before making ignorant comments k? Firstly, if you understand the meaning of the bible that is, God gave us 10 rules to follow, and he did say that you would go to hell for sinning. But by REPENTING for your sins you would be forgiven. Even if you committed terrible crimes, you would be forgiven for what you have done as long as you accept the responsibility and ask for forgiveness. The Bible says that if you are ignorant and do not repent then yes, to hell you go, but that's all on whether you believe in God or not.



A-99 makes a very good point

[bloodreign]

The bible is not a scientific textbook, and does not dwell or deal "specificly" with scientific methodology inasmuch as a science textbook deals with the subject of miracles,faith,history and prophesy.

It would be darn hard toScientificly examine the resurection of Jesus and his subsequent apearance to his diciples after his death (IN ANOTHER BODLIY FORM!)...any people remember him showing himself to the disiples and they only recognised him by the way he broke bread?..or another diciple putting his hand in the spot where Jesus was stabbed?

Such miracles cannot be "examined" by science, and can only be believed in on the basis of faith.

But i have yet to see science totaly DISPROVE the bible.

(ORIGINALY POSTED BY ALARIC)
just dont preach to me and I wont have to shake you of your faith, simple.

Will you shake my faith as much as the PIMP MUDDY SHAKES THE BLOCK! :D

[***Duo***]

Thanks for copying George Carlin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


-Duo

[Override]

No, it is not.

[AlabamaBoy]

You cannot disprove faith.

Inversely, faith cannot disprove science.

Anyone who thinks they are keyed in to what's really going on in this existence is a fool.

God, mother nature, what have you; in the end all you can do is find the path that fits you and makes you the most at peace with what you are.

[Hellblazer]

Of course you can't disprove faith. Faith is a real emotion; it's hope.
You can disprove a lot of stuff from the stories of Christianity, and especially Catholicism, because those are facts that can have strong and more true counter-arguments.

[Take a Look]

Hmm... a rip off... nice.. I got the text from my friend..

[Cavour]

Hmm... a rip off... nice.. I got the text from my friend..

Holy shit, you know George Carlin?

[Cavour]

You atheist sheep are worse than the organized religion you bash. The Catholic Church is a corrupt, money-grubbing scam! Islam teaches you to fly planes into buildings for salvation! Based on that, there is no higher power! Only science, stupid religious people, and us, the awesome, elitist atheists. We atheists are the only true omniscient creatures in existence. Thinking a single religious institution is corrupt and wrong doesn't mean you should discount all semblance of G(g)od(s) or a higher being.

Atheism is the new black.

[Take a Look]

Holy shit, you know George Carlin?

No..? my friends English is good, so i asked for he's help.. a little later i got this text from him over msn.

[xerent]

Atheism is the new black.

You got a problem with white people?

[Lord Sesshomaru]

I've seen some stuff about how the bible is one big code. Awful lot of coincidences in it where historical events are found in code. Though with that much type in the bible, I suppose you could find a plethora of codes in all that text.

[Cavour]

You got a problem with white people?

That depends. Are you white?

[Lord Sesshomaru]

Very :rolleyes:

[Override]

You atheist sheep are worse than the organized religion you bash. The Catholic Church is a corrupt, money-grubbing scam! Islam teaches you to fly planes into buildings for salvation! Based on that, there is no higher power! Only science, stupid religious people, and us, the awesome, elitist atheists. We atheists are the only true omniscient creatures in existence. Thinking a single religious institution is corrupt and wrong doesn't mean you should discount all semblance of G(g)od(s) or a higher being.

Atheism is the new black.

For all we know, this could be the Matrix. And my friend could be an Agent in disguise.

[Ächilles]

Hmm... a rip off... nice.. I got the text from my friend..

Do you realize how many people have been caught plagiarizing here?

Do you also realize every single one of said people used that same excuse. You're much better off admitting you stole it.

[bloodreign]

Atheism is the new emo?

" no one cares about me, there is no god.....i think i'll cut myself just to feel!."
(brought to you by the makers of tickle me emo):D

j/k

[uniquinous]

It is illegal to preach religion in that sort of tone and to use it as a direct change to one person's assignment, and I view this sort of behavior as highly intolerable. It's illegal and I'm a devout atheist. A lawsuit seems to fit.It's foolish of you to assume this is in a public school...

You cannot disprove faith.

Inversely, faith cannot disprove science.Alternately, neither can disprove Harry Potter.

Hmm... a rip off... nice.. I got the text from my friend..So, you plagiarized your friend, who plagiarized a mini-movie, who plagiarized carlin...

can't neg you for that,but learn uself sum integrities.

[Sacred Silence]

Half the people don't even know what they are talking about. The bible is not a book writen from hundreds of years of story telling... The Bible is matter-of-factly, the most proven historical document we have up to this date (several documents found, eye witnesses, etc). Therefore it is scientifical. Religion can't be proven, but there are evidances that help to help people in their faith.

I myself am not religious, because I have not explored it enough.

[Hellblazer]

Cav, but if you're not brought up when you're really young as a Muslim or a Jewish person, then you don't believe in those things anyway. The atheists you're hearing from don't believe in their religion: Christianity. I, personally, find logical ways to counter certain blasphemies from the Christian religion. I don't usually stop people from believing in it and I wasn't following the crowd when I came up with a theory disproving God to myself in 6th grade.

[uniquinous]

The Bible is matter-of-factly, the most proven historical document we have up to this date (several documents found, eye witnesses, etc). Therefore it is scientifical.Whoa whoa whoa whoa. First off, what evidence do you have that supports it is the most proven historical document we have to date? Second: even if specific events in the bible are true, what evidence do you have that suggests the unproven events are also true? Assumptions like that are in fact not scientific whatsoever. Science seeks fact, but that doesn't mean every fact is science. The phrase "World War II occurred" has nothing to do with science. That's called history.

[bloodreign]

Shim shimeny, shim shimeny, shim shim sharoo.... *fart*

this topic has been beaten to death...cursed be the one who brought this topic up. Never ending arguments. phooey.

[Centrefuge]

Half the people don't even know what they are talking about. The bible is not a book writen from hundreds of years of story telling... The Bible is matter-of-factly, the most proven historical document we have up to this date (several documents found, eye witnesses, etc). Therefore it is scientifical. Religion can't be proven, but there are evidances that help to help people in their faith.

I myself am not religious, because I have not explored it enough.

you make me feel smart.

[Yogurt55]

I was raised catholic I came across the same situation. I believe that religion seems to have a lot more explanation behind it. So he had me go find proof of how God could exist in this universe. I kinda find doubt in how it is really hard to see how a being could have existed all this time then decided to make a universe with creatures and beings. But that is where faith comes in for me. But in evolution in all matters how could "The Big Bang Theory" exist? I don't see how a universe could be already without something being there to make it. The way I see it is that I don't think that an accident could have made Earth.

[Override]

I was raised catholic I came across the same situation. I believe that religion seems to have a lot more explanation behind it. So he had me go find proof of how God could exist in this universe. I kinda find doubt in how it is really hard to see how a being could have existed all this time then decided to make a universe with creatures and beings. But that is where faith comes in for me. But in evolution in all matters how could "The Big Bang Theory" exist? I don't see how a universe could be already without something being there to make it. The way I see it is that I don't think that an accident could have made Earth.

Most people would rather have faith in some meaningless ACCIDENT than an explanation that encourages them to do good. :rolleyes:

[Excaliber]

Most people would rather have faith in some meaningless ACCIDENT than an explanation that encourages them to do good. :rolleyes:

Ummm.... no?

[uniquinous]

Most people would rather have faith in some meaningless ACCIDENT than an explanation that encourages them to do good. :rolleyes:faith?

if i ask you to tell me what a colorless liquid is, and you make a random decision and believe it, that's faith.

If I tell you that a molecule of the liquid has 2 Hydrogens, and one Oxygen, and you surmise it's water (H2O), you'd believe that.

The two are not simply differing faiths. One is formed from, well, nothing - the other is formed from using factual evidence and reaching a valid conclusion. Please don't confuse the two.

As for encouraging people to do good: there is lower crime rates in the atheist population than the religious one. That's not faith - that's fact. i now cuz i read it on the intarwebz

[Northwind]

As for encouraging people to do good: there is lower crime rates in the atheist population than the religious one. That's not faith - that's fact. i now cuz i read it on the intarwebz
Data please? (And yes, I saw the black text too late. But I still want data.)

[Jeffery]

As for encouraging people to do good: there is lower crime rates in the atheist population than the religious one. That's not faith - that's fact. i now cuz i read it on the intarwebz

And I would be glad for you to post such linkages to back up that statement please.

[inked]

Prolly atheist.org

What religion were the Columbine kids? What about Soviet Russia? Nazi Germany? t Italy?

Edit: Why is - - - - - -t blocked?
Edit2: Why is F@scist blocked?

[clay]

Wow. How bored have people become to talk about religious view's over a game forum? rofl.

And why are you using northwinds avvy?!?!?!? =O

[bloodreign]

I agree, but whatevar, this is a community and at times there iz seroius debate.

I say we argue over tao and try to figure out which is better.....an assassin or a beastrider!

[clay]

Haha. Well IMO, the BR is only good for an avatar at best. The sassy has the special att. I use a sassy in my grey setup. Sassy ftw IMO

[Jeffery]

Wow. How bored have people become to talk about religious view's over a game forum? rofl.

And why are you using northwinds avvy?!?!?!? =O

I agree, but whatevar, this is a community and at times there iz seroius debate.

I say we argue over tao and try to figure out which is better.....an assassin or a beastrider!

Haha. Well IMO, the BR is only good for an avatar at best. The sassy has the special att. I use a sassy in my grey setup. Sassy ftw IMO
Kids, go play in the other room. Let the adults keep discussing actual topics.


Prolly atheist.org

What religion were the Columbine kids? What about Soviet Russia? Nazi Germany? t Italy?

Edit: Why is - - - - - -t blocked?
Edit2: Why is F@scist blocked?

Because they don;t like you?

[clay]

Lol, we all have our own opinion's. How can anything be discussed actively without openly viewing eachother's opinions? I'm sharing mine with you... I think it's ridiculous to talk about this kind of stuff over a game forum. haha, and obviously, someone agree's with me...

[gryph89]

Lol, we all have our own opinion's. How can anything be discussed actively without openly viewing eachother's opinions? I'm sharing mine with you... I think it's ridiculous to talk about this kind of stuff over a game forum. haha, and obviously, someone agree's with me...

If we kept talking about this game nonstop half of us will be commited.

[clay]

Oh, that would be the day...

Lol, I guess my arguement doesn't really stand strong. Seeing as this IS general discussion... Haha. I just think it's a little farfetched as to the subject of conversation here... LOL. Some of these thread's do get a little ridiculous

[gryph89]

Oh, that would be the day...

Lol, I guess my arguement doesn't really stand strong. Seeing as this IS general discussion... Haha. I just think it's a little farfetched as to the subject of conversation here... LOL. Some of these thread's do get a little ridiculous

Yeah...they really do.

But all he did was take stuff from a film zietgiest (I think that's how it's spelt) if you google it, the movie'll pop up. It's kinda interesting.

[clay]

Hmm, shall do.

Nvm, I can't go through 2 hour's of that haha

[gryph89]

Hmm, shall do.

Nvm, I can't go through 2 hour's of that haha

haha, yeah. you gotta be in one of the moods to watch it.

[clay]

I only got through about 3 min's or something. Does it start to have any visual's at all? Or just a blank screen?

Oh, and Jeff stop acting like a dumbass in that neg rep you gave me.. I legitimitally said how everyone can discuss their own opinion's in an equal manner. Apparently, you have a problem with not being the boss. Either learn to friggen get a sense of humour and sarcasm or gtfo lol. This is a game forums. Why so serious?

[bloodreign]

Kids, go play in the other room. Let the adults keep discussing actual topics.



And remember to keep the retarded trolls locked in the basement.
o_O

[clay]

fo·rum Audio Help /ˈfɔrəm, ˈfoʊrəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fawr-uhm, fohr-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural fo·rums, fo·ra Audio Help /ˈfɔrə, ˈfoʊrə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fawr-uh, fohr-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. 1. the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
So. Scorpionz, in that neg rep you sent me, you asked me to find the definition of forum. This is the most common definition according to WWW.Dictionary.com. Nothing states here, I can't post my opinion... Idiot...

[uniquinous]

hey, sorry everyone. i've been traveling lately, so I don't have the link on... random computers. :(

It was a pretty straightforward correlation study. Didn't find it on atheist.com. I think it was a researcher at... Creighton University? (Bear with me it's been about half a year since I read it.) I remember that some things I expected, such as higher rates of teen pregnancy, STD, etc for the religious side. But others, such as theft, I didn't expect.

I also read some article that came after it which claimed to discredit the first one (but I remember even fewer details about that one). Anyway, I'll be out for a bit, so until I get back to Boston, I recommend yall google it. sorry.

[Jeffery]

So. Scorpionz, in that neg rep you sent me, you asked me to find the definition of forum. This is the most common definition according to WWW.Dictionary.com. Nothing states here, I can't post my opinion... Idiot...
n. pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə)

1.
1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
3. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
2. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal.


You should have looked at the secondf set of definitions more closely.

And that definition isn;t meant to stop you from discussing things, but is meant to point out to you that these forums are for discussing things, and the general discussion forum is for "general topics outside Tactics Arena Online world here."

So your declaration that nothing but the game should be talked about was simply idiocy on your part.

[bloodreign]

PWNED!

[Cavour]

Cav, but if you're not brought up when you're really young as a Muslim or a Jewish person, then you don't believe in those things anyway. The atheists you're hearing from don't believe in their religion: Christianity. I, personally, find logical ways to counter certain blasphemies from the Christian religion. I don't usually stop people from believing in it and I wasn't following the crowd when I came up with a theory disproving God to myself in 6th grade.

I'm not preaching Christianity. I do, however, think it's absurd to think that disbelief in Christianity = disbelief in a higher power altogether. I don't think that the religion you're raised on should necessarily be what you devote yourself to. I think you need to explore it yourself, and if you stop that exploration after you decide you don't believe in Christianity, you shouldn't default to atheism, in my opinion. There are too many other possibilities to explore, and if you reached your theory on religion when you were in 6th grade, you were either a very enlightened 11 year old, or your current reasoning is still pretty ignorant and estranged.

blah blah blah, a bunch of stupid shit; idiocy

You're annoying.

[Alaric]

I dont like the idea of an after life, particularly if it is eternal. I would get bored.

[clay]

[PWNING=Jeffery] You should have looked at the secondf set of definitions more closely.

And that definition isn;t meant to stop you from discussing things, but is meant to point out to you that these forums are for discussing things, and the general discussion forum is for "general topics outside Tactics Arena Online world here."

So your declaration that nothing but the game should be talked about was simply idiocy on your part.


I read them all. That's why I clearly stated "The most common definition". I wasn't wrong. The most common definition has nothing to do with these forums. The third most common one does, but not the most common. After all, most people do use the most common definition when looking up a word or term...


Wow. How bored have people become to talk about religious view's over a game forum? rofl.
Lol, we all have our own opinion's. How can anything be discussed actively without openly viewing eachother's opinions? I'm sharing mine with you... I think it's ridiculous to talk about this kind of stuff over a game forum. haha, and obviously, someone agree's with me...
Also, I wasn't saying nothing should be talked about on these forum's except the game. All I said was that it is quite ridiculous that people have come down to talk about religious view's and what not... [/END PWNING]

[uniquinous]

So if I say, "shoot the bow and arrow", the word "bow" means "to bed the knee or body or include the head, as in reverence, submission, salutation, recognition, or acknowledgement".

The next 7 or so definitions of "bow" refer to inclining, bending, etc. Eventually one of the definitions mentions looped or knotted ribbon, and way at the bottom there's something on a flexible strip of wood used to shoot arrows.

Now, please realize that the order of dictionary definitions still requires someone to reasonably think through which one is best suited for a given context.

[dab00z]

The bible is one of the greatest works of fiction ever assembled.

[uniquinous]

someone clearly hasn't read Harry Potter or Tolkien...

[Enjoi]

Typical American, omg sue him!

But anyway, I completely agree with what Wizzy said :eek:

Evolution vs. God.

Evolution sure as hell makes a lot more sense, but maybe that's because I'm an athiest. As I said, I may be an athiest, therefore biased... but really, why would you willingly believe that "God" created all life? Something no one can prove or disprove. I only believe things when I see proof of certain claims.

So no, in my opinion, the bible is not scientific, but eh, what do I know?

My true belief... Religion is a bunch of bullshit.

Evolution is a religion...

[uniquinous]

no, no it's not. people don't seem to understand that...

[Take a Look]

Charles Darwin and his theory of human evolution and natural selection, it's more science.
Not a religion.

[bloodreign]

Wow how can the worth "theory" conotate two different meanings...one derogatory and the other with a measure of scientific respect.?

Conspiracy theory......

Darwins theory.......

i dunno why i said that just wondering why one has such a negative stigma when theory is added to it.

[Xiahou Dun]

Wow how can the worth "theory" conotate two different meanings...one derogatory and the other with a measure of scientific respect.?

Conspiracy theory......

Darwins theory.......

i dunno why i said that just wondering why one has such a negative stigma when theory is added to it.

That has NOTHING to do with the word Theory giving two meanigns and everything to do with what the actual theorys are about. The negative stigma exists for the word conspiracy alone and the word theory adds nothing to it. if anything it sostens the negativity as it is calrifying that the Conspiracy is not proven but just a Theory.

The bible is one of the greatest works of fiction ever assembled.

A little more reading is in order young Timothy.

[CRX687]

That has NOTHING to do with the word Theory giving two meanigns and everything to do with what the actual theorys are about.

A theory is popular culture is just a guess. A theory in science is supported by evidence.

If the word "theory" has nothing to do with the stigma, why is one of the creationist's calls "evolution is just a theory"?

[Xiahou Dun]

If the word "theory" has nothing to do with the stigma, why is one of the creationist's calls "evolution is just a theory"?

because they are narrow minded. Evolutionists could easily call back "So is creationism". There is nothing wrong with a Theory. You'll often find people have a problem with what the theory says is the root of the problem.

[Jeffery]

Wow how can the worth "theory" conotate two different meanings...one derogatory and the other with a measure of scientific respect.?

Conspiracy theory......

Darwins theory.......

i dunno why i said that just wondering why one has such a negative stigma when theory is added to it.
The word theory is not what makes the difference, but the words Darwin and Conspiracy.

That is like saying that the word water defines both Salt Water and Bath Water as the exact same thing. Yes, both are waters. But the word used with them defines what kind it is.

The same with the word Theory. What theory it is defines what it is, not just the fact that it is a theory.

[CRX687]

because they are narrow minded. Evolutionists could easily call back "So is creationism". There is nothing wrong with a Theory. You'll often find people have a problem with what the theory says is the root of the problem.

not if the word theory is used in the different way in pop culture than it is in science...

There is something wrong with the world Theory if it means different things to different groups of people.

[Enjoi]

no, no it's not. people don't seem to understand that...

re·li·gion
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe...


Well known Darwinian atheist Michael Ruse states that evolution is a religion.

Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.

[R G]

Why This Thread?


I had a debate with my teacher in class today. He asked me some questions about religion, and i explained to him, that i believe in god, but not the same way as he does. He got pissed, Yelled at me and said " Your going to Hell." (And I'm not kidding) I laughed, And then he said " God put you here to test my faith" Since i have respect for the older i stopped the debate there. Later on he gave us an assignment, a special one for me. The assignments the class got was "Have we been lied to by the government?" Mine is "Have we been lied to by the government and the religion.......................................... ...etc etc etc

I think what you teacher is wanting you to find is the actual scientific truths of the Bible for example.... http://www.carm.org/bible/ms_science.htm

Scientific Accuracies of the Bible
Many people doubt the Bible for various reasons. One of them is that the Bible is not accurate scientifically. But this just isn't so. The Bible is not a book about science, but when it does speak scientifically, it is accurate. In fact, it was far ahead of any other writing of its time. Please consider the following:

The Shape of the Earth
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22, NIV).
This may or may not be construed to support the spherical shape of the earth. The horizon is a circle and a circle is flat.
The Earth is suspended in nothing
"He spreads out the northern[skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing,"(Job. 26:7, NIV).
This is particularly interesting, considering that the cosmology of other cultures at that time did not have the earth suspended in nothing, but rather upon pillars, or people, or animals.
The Stars are Innumerable
"He took him outside and said, 'Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them.' Then he said to him, 'So shall your offspring be'" (Gen. 15:5, NIV).
The Existence of Valleys in the Seas
"The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Sam. 22:16, NIV).
The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11, NIV). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.
The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas
"O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8, NIV).
The Hydrologic Cycle
"He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job. 26:8, NIV).
"He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job. 36:27-28, NIV)
"The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again" (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, NIV).
The Concept of Entropy
"In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded" (Psalm 102:22-26, NIV).
The Nature of Health, Sanitation, and Sickness
The listing for this section is too large for this page. But the scriptural references are Leviticus 12-14.

It's a shame that people have twisted and corrupted religion to what it is today.

Hope that helps....:)

[R G]

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internet keeps hanging up...uggg!!!

[R G]

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[Enjoi]

Yeh, basically documents cannot be proven by scientific method. You can prove that documents are true by historical record and oral record. You cant relive events of the past. You cant go back in time and observe events again. That's why we have other ways of testing and proving the validity of documents. No, the bible cant be proven by science, nor can any other document that we have. I do believe though that just because something cant be proven by science does not make it irrelevant or false.

[uniquinous]

re·li·gion
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe...


Well known Darwinian atheist Michael Ruse states that evolution is a religion.

Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
thats good! now, look up the words "science" and then "beliefs", and see if they're the same thing. You believe in the theory of gravity. Does that mean it's a religion? Of course not. Religion and science are two different things. They can co-exist, but specifics tend to be one or the other. Sure, you can find someone who believes in evolution say it's a religion. You can also find hardcore religious fanatics who believe in evolution. The Archbishop of Canterbury praised Philip Pullman for writing "The Golden Compass". What's your point?

So, do you pray to gravity?

[CRX687]

That is like saying that the word water defines both Salt Water and Bath Water as the exact same thing. Yes, both are waters. But the word used with them defines what kind it is.

The same with the word Theory. What theory it is defines what it is, not just the fact that it is a theory.

The word water doesn't have two meanings.

But if person A defines theory as one thing and person B defines "theory" as another, the word theory itself plays a role in the difference in perception between A and B.

Like when you say "not just the fact that it is a theory"...
do you mean "not just the fact that it is a 'guess or conjecture'"
or "not just the fact that it is a 'A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena'".

Because when a biologist says "evolution is a theory", they mean the latter while a creationist, and many others, think that statement means it's just a conjecture. Do you see what I'm getting at?

[uniquinous]

you have a good point, crx, but that's just language. changes occur over time so things get warped a bit. When you say something's hot now, do you mean temperature? spiciness? or Punishment in a thong? Doesn't mean the word is debunked because it has different meaning. It's just... special. I think I'm too tired to be posting now...

[Jeffery]

The word water doesn't have two meanings.

But if person A defines theory as one thing and person B defines "theory" as another, the word theory itself plays a role in the difference in perception between A and B.

Like when you say "not just the fact that it is a theory"...
do you mean "not just the fact that it is a 'guess or conjecture'"
or "not just the fact that it is a 'A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena'".

Because when a biologist says "evolution is a theory", they mean the latter while a creationist, and many others, think that statement means it's just a conjecture. Do you see what I'm getting at?
You're right. It doesn;t have two meanings. It has 43. And again, it is determined by associated words what the meaning itself is.

wa·ter Audio Help /ˈwɔtər, ˈwɒtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[waw-ter, wot-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid, a compound of hydrogen and oxygen, H2O, freezing at 32°F or 0°C and boiling at 212°F or 100°C, that in a more or less impure state constitutes rain, oceans, lakes, rivers, etc.: it contains 11.188 percent hydrogen and 88.812 percent oxygen, by weight.
2. a special form or variety of this liquid, as rain.
3. Often, waters. this liquid in an impure state as obtained from a mineral spring: Last year we went to Marienbad for the waters.
4. the liquid content of a river, inlet, etc., with reference to its relative height, esp. as dependent on tide: a difference of 20 feet between high and low water.
5. the surface of a stream, river, lake, ocean, etc.: above, below, or on the water.
6. waters,
a. flowing water, or water moving in waves: The river's mighty waters.
b. the sea or seas bordering a particular country or continent or located in a particular part of the world: We left San Diego and sailed south for Mexican waters.
7. a liquid solution or preparation, esp. one used for cosmetic purposes: lavender water; lemon water.
8. Often, waters. Medicine/Medical.
a. amniotic fluid.
b. the bag of waters; amnion: Her water broke at 2 a.m.
9. any of various solutions of volatile or gaseous substances in water: ammonia water.
10. any liquid or aqueous organic secretion, exudation, humor, or the like, as tears, perspiration, or urine.
11. Finance. fictitious assets or the inflated values they give to the stock of a corporation.
12. a wavy, lustrous pattern or marking, as on silk fabrics or metal surfaces.
13. (formerly) the degree of transparency and brilliancy of a diamond or other precious stone.
14. take water, (of a boat) to allow water to enter through leaks or portholes or over the side.
–verb (used with object)
15. to sprinkle, moisten, or drench with water: to water the flowers; to water a street.
16. to supply (animals) with water for drinking.
17. to furnish with a supply of water, as a ship.
18. to furnish water to (a region), as by streams; supply (land) with water, as by irrigation: The valley is watered by a branch of the Colorado River. Our land is watered by the All-American Canal.
19. to dilute, weaken, soften, or adulterate with, or as with, water (often fol. by down): to water soup; to water down an unfavorable report.
20. Finance. to issue or increase the par value of (shares of stock) without having the assets to warrant doing so (often fol. by down).
21. to produce a wavy, lustrous pattern, marking, or finish on (fabrics, metals, etc.): watered silk.
–verb (used without object)
22. to discharge, fill with, or secrete water or liquid, as the eyes when irritated, or as the mouth at the sight or thought of tempting food.
23. to drink water, as an animal.
24. to take in a supply of water, as a ship: Our ship will water at Savannah.
–adjective
25. of or pertaining to water in any way: a water journey.
26. holding, or designed to hold, water: a water jug.
27. worked or powered by water: a water turbine.
28. heating, pumping, or circulating water (often used in combination): hot-water furnace; city waterworks.
29. used in or on water: water skis.
30. containing or prepared with water, as for hardening or dilution: water mortar.
31. located or occurring on, in, or by water: water music; water frontage.
32. residing by or in, or ruling over, water: water people; water deities.
—Idioms
33. above water, out of embarrassment or trouble, esp. of a financial nature: They had so many medical bills that they could hardly keep their heads above water.
34. break water,
a. to break the surface of the water by emerging from it.
b. Swimming. to break the surface of the water with the feet, esp. in swimming the breaststroke doing the frog kick.
c. Medicine/Medical. to break the amniotic sac prior to parturition.
35. by water, by ship or boat: to send goods by water.
36. dead in the water. dead (def. 41).
37. hold water,
a. to be logical, defensible, or valid: That accusation won't hold water.
b. to check the movement of a rowboat by keeping the oars steady with the blades vertical.
38. in deep water, in great distress or difficulty: Their marriage has been in deep water for some time.
39. in hot water. hot water.
40. like water, lavishly; abundantly; freely: The champagne flowed like water.
41. make one's mouth water, to excite a desire or appetite for something: The roasting turkey made our mouths water.
42. make water,
a. (of a boat) to allow water to enter; leak.
b. to urinate.
43. tread water. tread (def. 23).

Just as with theory. As you pointed out, it is not just the context used, but also the user, that can be the variant of the definition.

But the word Theory in and of itself that can not define every use.

[shatterstar]

"I will take your water"

thats 44

[Gypsy]

Watch me answer this is one word, the thread title that is. No.

/spam

[CRX687]

You're right. It doesn;t have two meanings. It has 43. And again, it is determined by associated words what the meaning itself is.

Way get get overly technical... my point is that when you say water, 99.9% of the population thinks the same thing: a clear liquid that they drink or a body of water, and it's really no big deal how they define it, you're getting your meaning across. When you say the word Theory, scientists think one thing and everyone else thinks another. So when a scientists says evolution is a theory, it means one thing to a scientist and another to a creationist.


Just as with theory. As you pointed out, it is not just the context used, but also the user, that can be the variant of the definition.

But the word Theory in and of itself that can not define every use.

But when it comes to the debate of evolution v. creationism, the definition of each individual user is very important. The word theory in and of itself does not define every use, but when two sides are arguing over a topic with social and political implications, having a key word like "theory" be used in two different manners is a big problem.

A creationist can ask a scientist " is evolution a theory". A scientist will say yes, because in science it is a theory, as in, it is a "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena". But the public, and even some politicians, will interpret that as "evolution is a conjecture".

So that in THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, the personal interpretation of the word "theory" has a large impact on the "theory of evolution" v. "the theory of intelligent design"... they're both just "theories", so they're equal in weight, right?

you have a good point, crx, but that's just language. changes occur over time so things get warped a bit. When you say something's hot now, do you mean temperature? spiciness? or Punishment in a thong? Doesn't mean the word is debunked because it has different meaning. It's just... special. I think I'm too tired to be posting now...

I'm not attacking the word it self, I just have a problem with the way the word theory is used in this particular debate (as in the evolution v. creationism debate to today).

[Jeffery]

So what point is it that you are making??

Because what I said is that you can not use Theory as a definition in itself, because it is dependant on the actual usage.

You seem to be saying that I am wrong, because the the definition of Theory is based upon the usage.

Which, if you look closely, seems to be the same argument.

So please, explain to me how I am wrong in stating that the word Theory in and of itself is not definitive, that the usage of it determines its meaning.

[CRX687]

So what point is it that you are making??

Because what I said is that you can not use Theory as a definition in itself, because it is dependant on the actual usage.

You seem to be saying that I am wrong, because the the definition of Theory is based upon the usage.

Which, if you look closely, seems to be the same argument.

So please, explain to me how I am wrong in stating that the word Theory in and of itself is not definitive, that the usage of it determines its meaning.

You said "The same with the word Theory. What theory it is defines what it is, not just the fact that it is a theory."

I had a problem with the statement "not just that fact that it is a theory". Because the fact that it is a theory could mean multiple things, and thus the word theory can be define what the actual thing is.

ie, the theory of evolution is "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena" on the diversity of life today

And the theory of intelligent design is a conjecture of how living things today came about.


Now this argument is just getting too nitpicky, we agree that the usage of the word theory does have bearing on the debate, that's good enough for me.

[Jeffery]

You said "The same with the word Theory. What theory it is defines what it is, not just the fact that it is a theory."

I had a problem with the statement "not just that fact that it is a theory". Because the fact that it is a theory could mean multiple things, and thus the word theory can be define what the actual thing is.

ie, the theory of evolution is "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena" on the diversity of life today

And the theory of intelligent design is a conjecture of how living things today came about.


Now this argument is just getting too nitpicky, we agree that the usage of the word theory does have bearing on the debate, that's good enough for me.
But the word "theory" used in a discussion defines nothing without the actual context it is used in.
Every example you have given has pointed this out.

You've simply proved me right time and time again, because every attempt to define theory you have used is attached to a particular theory.

Yes, it is possible to simply list the book definition of "theory". But when it is used in a discussion such as religion or science, the context is much more important.

[bloodreign]

*FART* pardon me, carry on ....

[Gypsy]

*FART* pardon me, carry on ....

The most thoughtful post I've seen in this thread.