Clan Gray Tournament: Round 3

[Nitanius Nolund]

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5691/talbadge24tr.png

Matches were randomized again.

Hells Angels vs TeamUSA

Lieutenant vs Punishment
~SlayeR~ vs pils
detonation vs Maverik07

Strategic Insomniacs vs Hells Center

solingro vs dailep
Geoffrey vs 2shoes
el opit@ vs 3000 stat

Round ends when I log on April 26, 2008

[Rubbish]

I got my wish. Thanks IROK :).
Good Luck to SI players.

[Lieutenant]

This sucks, Si has got easy rounds so far in this tourney! :(

Pun, and I are on right now. I guess we can play, if he wants to.

[Rubbish]

I think IROK should've put Maverik07 rather than gig in Team USA.

[-The Shredder-]

Alright... lets get this party started. If netjak can't win then i hope SI does. Good luck everyone.

[~HC Leader~]

Hello

GOOD LUCK TO ALL PLAYERS

SI PLAYERS, HC PLAYERS, TEAM USA PLAYERS, and HA PLAYERS


GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL!!!!

MAY THE BEST WIN!!!!!

[pils]

Ugh... From what I remember about tourney games with Aussies, its absolute hell to schedule a time...
But I have a 4th block release now, so maybe it will be easier to get my game in.

PM to Slayer:
Well its me and you I guess...
Here are my times, GMT -6.

Today (Saturday): Cannot play
Sunday: I work 11am - 8pm, any time after 8 I can play
Monday-Friday (excluding Wednesday): 12:45pm - 3:00pm and 9:00pm - 11:00pm

[dailep]

To Solingro
I am in GTM +2 time zone:
I can play with you now and duaring 3 hours
Thusday 23:00-1:00
Wensday 23:00-1:00
Thursday 23:00-1:00
Friday 24:00 - 3:00
Saturday 20:00-3:00

[Mithrandir]

What I will likely do is award three points to each member of the winning team, and one point to each member of the second place team.

[Rubbish]

Nice. Lets go Sol, Jorge & Geoff.

[~ElVeN~BlOoD~]

man, too bad ttk couldnt win.
I woulda liked a TAL point. lol

[Geoffrey]

TeamUSA does not have gig in it? I thought Mav was in it.
We are match up in IROKS clan tourney. I am +8:00GMT, I can play nearly anytime in the next few days, from what 9am til 11 pm. So pm me back with times and I can work around it.

[~SlayeR~]

Replied to pilsy.

[Isai]

Isn't gigolojlo a way better player than maverick? I haven't played maverick yet though ...

[Maverik07]

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5691/talbadge24tr.png

Matches were randomized again.

Hells Angels vs TeamUSA

Lieutenant vs Punishment
~SlayeR~ vs pils
detonation vs gigolojlo gl

Strategic Insomniacs vs Hells Center

solingro vs dailep
Geoffrey vs 2shoes
el opit@ vs 3000 stat

Round ends when I log on April 26, 2008


Errr... what?:confused:

Isn't gigolojlo a way better player than maverick? I haven't played maverick yet though ...

I beat him last round. Thanks for playing.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Sorry Mav >_>

[solingro]

To Solingro
I am in GTM +2 time zone:
I can play with you now and duaring 3 hours
Thusday 23:00-1:00
Wensday 23:00-1:00
Thursday 23:00-1:00
Friday 24:00 - 3:00
Saturday 20:00-3:00

I didn't get such pm, you sure you sent it to the right person :confused:

Anyway, I am GMT -5 (time of message 6:08pm). None of those times work for me on weekdays as that around 4-6pm my time when I am still at work.

So either catch you on Saturday or if you can play early in the morning (late night my time)

[Nitanius Nolund]

I didn't get such pm, you sure you sent it to the right person :confused:

Dailep doesn't seem to know what the PM system is sol. Don't worry about it.

[el opit@]

To 3000 stat
Hey Buddy
Im GMT-4, let me kno when u can play, this way i could fix my schedule.
Peace.
Good Luck to everyone in this round.

[Lieutenant]

My pm to Punishment.

Hey man, I'm sorry you d/c'ed last game, and we couldn't finish our grey game. By the way, I have no s/s man, I took a s/s over an MSN convo, and the other s/s I have about you is the Free Game we had in GS1, so it's kinda my fault. :(

Anyways, my time is GMT -5, and I am able to play the following days.

Tuesday and Wednesday: 5 PM to 9 PM

[pils]

Slayer and I were scheduled for now... Hopefully he will show up soon, I'd like to eat dinner tonight. :p

[pils]

Alright, I've been going back and forth between GL and Rev for the last hour or so, and I haven't seen Slayer.... I'm gonna go get some food now.

[Geoffrey]

Havent seen 2socks around.

[~SlayeR~]

Yep, over slept.. was out late last night.. :(

Gave him a time for tomorrow, which is from like 10am to midnight.. lol.. should be able to get it done then, hopefully.. :-/

[Detonation]

Ok, here is my PM to mav:

I'm available at any of these times pacific time zone.

Monday: 8:00 PM- 3:00 AM
wednesday-Thursday: 6:00 PM- 3:00 AM
Friday: 10:00 PM- 4:00 AM

I can't really scheduled anything for the weekends because I'm never sure If I will have something else to do, and I might not be available, unless you'd catch me online and I were have time to play, then I would definally play you So let me know when is the best day and time that suits you so we can get this in as soon as possible.

[Maverik07]

We scheduled for 8pm tonight.

[fazy]

Go Hells Centre Kick Some Si Butt Good Luck To All Players

[2socks]

pm to geoffrey:

I was away for the weekend. I am -5:00 GMT. I'm basically free in the evenings, and at times during the afternoon, which I could plan on playing if I know when you're available. I'm available tonight after 10:30 PM ET.

[Geoffrey]

Gl.

GET ON GL

[Lieutenant]

Yep, over slept.. was out late last night.. :(

Gave him a time for tomorrow, which is from like 10am to midnight.. lol.. should be able to get it done then, hopefully.. :-/

Way to go SlayeR. :angry:

[Detonation]

I'm on right now and I've waited about 20 minutes for mav already, we are scheduled to play at 8:00 PM, if he doesn't shows up by 8:30 i'm gone and i will be back around 1:00 AM.

EDIT: Mav didn't show up, its 8:30 so i'm out, we will try to reschuled a game later, by the way mav, please wait until i confirm a scheduled game, I didn't know you wanted to play exactly at 8:00 PM until i came online and it was already 8:00 PM.

[pils]

Slayer beats me...
I haven't played a same sides corner game in probably 6+ months... And that has never been my strength....
GG buddy...

[~SlayeR~]

~SlayeR~ vs. pils
winner: ~SlayeR~

Gg pilsy.

[Maverik07]

Yea, sorry i wasnt there. I had some school stuff to do.

Im on now and will be for the next little while if you can still play tonight.

[Geoffrey]

Been on GL most of today, and no sign of him.

[Geoffrey]

El dc'd against 3000 stat, this is the s/s and the health.

i dont lost...we were playing, my advisor calls to me for ask me something about my job, i went a while...when i back to the game my turn is over.

el = blue units
3000 = brown units

Its my turn and i can move any unit excepting scout (1 turn left)

My units:
Chanty Full
BW Full
Scout 10 and Blocking-10%
LW Full
2 Knigths and Ass Full

Knight Frozed Full
Witch 4 and Blocking-100% (2 turns left)
Scout 24 and Blocking - 25%
Knight 22 and Blocking -7%
Cleric, Ass (1 turn left) and Chanty Fullhttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1830/3000statpi5.jpg
we both want to solve this but is extremly hard recreat it again under same conditions.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Brown has a clear advantage. Replay from that position.

[Rubbish]

I think you are wrong IROK, el opit@ has a much better position from what he described on SI forums.

[~HC Leader~]

Here we go again!

another situation with my clan!

anwyay they will replay and according to me brown (3000) has a better chance of winning


GOOD LUCK 3000 and El opit@

[Nitanius Nolund]

Here we go again!

another situation with my clan!

anwyay they will replay and according to me brown (3000) has a better chance of winning


GOOD LUCK 3000 and El opit@

Seriously, shut up. If I want your opinion I will ask for it.

Rubbish, maybe you're right, and opit has the advantage. Frankly I dont really care. They are replaying from that position unless they cannot set it back up. In which case they will play from the start.

[Rubbish]

A game takes a lot to redo, but it isn't hard. They probably won't have much trouble, only time.
And Hells Center how much do you want to bet that Opit@ will take the win? Please stop talking so much sht :).
Anyways good luck to Jorge, lets take the first one home.

[Lieutenant]

El dc'd against 3000 stat, this is the s/s and the health.

It is nearly impossible to fix a game like that, I remember when I played my GS1 game against Punishment, and I d/c'ed. It is not a fair game health-wise if someone does not record it. It is IMPOSSIBLE to say something, without the other's approval, therefore you'll have to wait for some confirmation from 3000 stat.

[el opit@]

They are replaying from that position unless they cannot set it back up. In which case they will play from the start.
We tried back up the game under same conditions but it was imposible...lets wait for 3000's words

[Lieutenant]

We tried back up the game under same conditions but it was imposible...lets wait for 3000's words

Opit@, it's not that hard, you just need to have some patience to returning to how the game was, and both need a s/s of how the game was. If it's not the case, than replay the game with the same units, and full health each unit.

And yes, I think it comes down to 3000 stat's words too. :huh:

[el opit@]

Opit@, it's not that hard, you just need to have some patience to returning to how the game was, and both need a s/s of how the game was. If it's not the case, than replay the game with the same units, and full health each unit.

And yes, I think it comes down to 3000 stat's words too. :huh:
Compa, If We replay the game using full health same units i will lose the little advantage from how that game was

[Lieutenant]

Well then, get it to be as it was, even if it takes you a load of tries, it sucks, I've been in that situation before too, I know how it feels.

[2socks]

another pm to geoffrey:

I'll be on tonight. I'm on now. What name are you signed on as? I haven't seen geoffrey on GL at all.

[Geoffrey]

I use Koala. I am on GL now.

[Geoffrey]

I swear this is STUPID. He never get's online, I was just sitting on for 30mins after posting here, he viewed the thread cause I checked, and he didn't come online, I am not sitting around all day trying to get this game done.

[Lieutenant]

Geoff, 2shoes can also be 2socks, so be a little patient. I'm sure that if you spoke with someone from HC you could actually ask them or something.

Regarding opit@ and 3000 stat, I'd love to know what IROK thinks about that case.

[Geoffrey]

Luck screws me. I played badly, he played well. gg. Should not have played when tired. Sorry SI.

[2socks]

geoffrey gg. I can see you're a good player. sorry you didn't have a better game. i'm sure we'll have a chance to play again sometime.

s/s upon request

[Geoffrey]

Hope so. I just couldn't think right, too much on my mind. I am sorry SI. Should have played better.

[Lieutenant]

OMG, SI is getting screwed by some "random noobs" as most of the people claimed! :confused:

[powza]

lol. pwned

[Rubbish]

OMG, SI is getting screwed by some "random noobs" as most of the people claimed! :confused:
STFU. El & Sol have this. :p

It's alright Geoff, it happens to the best of us........ Good Job 2socks.
That sucks

[pils]

Yeah.... I wouldn't say they are getting pwned... El and Sol are both amazing greys.

[Lieutenant]

Hm, sorry for talking. I guess expressing my opinion can be dangerous. I just hope the best wins. Anyways, it is better for HA if SI does not pass, seeing as folks like solingro or opit@ when they're not rusty/inactive can be troublesome.

[Rubbish]

They'll kick your ass at grey :p.
And I thought you were an SIer not a HAer. :-/ Or an Omnipotenter

[Lieutenant]

Well, I'm not in HA anymore because I dislike Rob very much. But that doesn't mean I can't like the rest of the people, and clan itself. I am an SIer too, but this is a competition, and I want to win it, just like everyone else. So let's put aside clanships. I am sure that opit@ would prefer me being on their side, than me being on the opposite side, amongst other folks.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Meh, Geoff is the weakest link on the SI team imo. Opit and sol are beasts.

Remember guys, Friday will be the last day to play your games, with the finals being posted on Saturday (unless for some reason I cannot get on). Let's try and get the rest of the games in m'kay?

[Geoffrey]

Go F yourself IROK. You can't really talk as you suck in virtually all styles, and you trash talk none stop and never actually seem to abck it up. :)

[TGR Leader]

Exactly !

[I'malive24/7]

So let's put aside clanships..

Hate to break this to ya, but it's a CLAN tourney.

Anyway, goooooooo opit and sol!

[solingro]

Meh, Geoff is the weakest link on the SI team imo. Opit and sol are beasts.

Remember guys, Friday will be the last day to play your games, with the finals being posted on Saturday (unless for some reason I cannot get on). Let's try and get the rest of the games in m'kay?

dailep and I can only get our game in on Saturday...

[I'malive24/7]

IROK, you said that the round ends on the 26th (Saturday), which usually means that that is the last day to play.

[fazy]

Good Job 2shoes Go Hells Centre Good Luck To The Rest Of The People In The Clan

[Nitanius Nolund]

IROK, you said that the round ends on the 26th (Saturday), which usually means that that is the last day to play.

It says when I log in on Saturday. Meaning when I log in, games will not be recorded.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Go F yourself IROK. You can't really talk as you suck in virtually all styles, and you trash talk none stop and never actually seem to abck it up. :)

1) You've admitted that sol is better than you, and I would put el opit slightly above you as well
2) I don't "trash talk none stop". Do I talk trash? Yes, and I admit that.
3) Never actually back it up? I don't claim to be the be all and end all of the game. I know who is better than me. I also know who I am generally better than.
4) How many times have I challenged you in gray and you turned me down?

[WaCk-HeAd]

I'd advise you to not judge the contestants, pick fights with them or claim that you're better than them when you're the tournament director, IROK.

[Mithrandir]

I'd advise you to not judge the contestants, pick fights with them or claim that you're better than them when you're the tournament director, IROK.

Yeah, what he said. Need I remind you how close this thing is to losing its TAL stamp?

:dry:

[WaCk-HeAd]

Ha, I read tramp stamp.

Why is this tournament actually still TAL certified? I'm not even in it.

[solingro]

It says when I log in on Saturday. Meaning when I log in, games will not be recorded.

should I not even bother reserving a time on saturday then knowing a dq is coming?

[Nitanius Nolund]

You said you were playing on Friday. =/

[el opit@]

3000 stat vs el opit@
Winner: el opit@
s/s upon request
Good Played 3000, Good Luck Sol

[dailep]

dailep and I can only get our game in on Saturday...

When Saturday exaclty you want to play I can play you may time zone GTM +2: 11:00-24:00 its eavning and night in your time zone! What is best time for you?

IROK is it ok if we play in this time?

[Junier]

3000 stat vs el opit@
Winner: el opit@
s/s upon request
Good Played 3000, Good Luck Sol
Good Job, opita. Now lets wait saturday.

[Nitanius Nolund]

If Saturday is the ONLY time you're both available, I can extend the deadline. But try and get it in sooner.

[Rubbish]

Told you Opit@ had that game IROK :D.
WOOT. <3 Jorge sos un bacan guevonsote!
Now Sol, we gotta get this one home. Good luck buddy :)

[Hatchet Warrior]

Hope so. I just couldn't think right, too much on my mind. I am sorry SI. Should have played better.

I hate to say this geoff, but I told you so.

Go Hells Center!

[solingro]

gonna try for 4 am my time, 11 am his on Saturday.

[-The Shredder-]

Good job El opit@. Lets go Si.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Can I please see the screenshot of the win over 3000 stats opit?

[Lieutenant]

Can I please see the screenshot of the win over 3000 stats opit?

Eh, not to be a party pooper or anything but HC Leader claims that 3000 stat and el opit@ had played before. But that opit@ said that the game they played didn't count. You should also ask 3000 stat for that other s/s, otherwise I don't know which s/s counts more.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm aware of the situation Lieu. My inbox has already been flooded.

[Rubbish]

Why will Jorge lie?
I'm sure if Opita DID win 3000 will confirm.

[Lieutenant]

That's the problem Rubbish, 3000 stat hasn't confirmed ANYTHING from this match. Not even if opit@ d/c'ed. He didn't also confirm if the healths and percentages opit@ put were correct. He hasn't posted if in the 2nd game the healths were as they were supposed to be. It's really easy to claim something when we've only heard from opit@. But so far we haven't heard crap about 3000 stat.

And it is a lot better to hear what 3000 stat says rather than HC Leader.

[Rubbish]

3000 did confirm that he d/c & he confirmed that what Opita said was yesterday in Banff SI clan chat.
He asked me: "Do you really think Opit@ is in a better position?"

[Detonation]

I saw 3000 stat talking in the lobby yesterday and he said some of the percentages and health opita posted were wrong.

[Lieutenant]

3000 did confirm that he d/c & he confirmed that what Opita said was yesterday in Banff SI clan chat.
He asked me: "Do you really think Opit@ is in a better position?"

Well, he must've confirmed it to some people specifically. Why just tell this to SIers anyways, the only important person to whom he has to confirm is to IROK. Frankly, I see no posts of him IN THIS THREAD, after what happened with opit@. Also if he PM'ed IROK, IROK would already know by now.

[Nitanius Nolund]

3000 PMed me a number of PMs (though I'm sure one would have done the trick :dry:) about the matter. Waiting for his reply to mine.

[Rubbish]

Ah well, good luck on sorting it out IROk.

[el opit@]

Match Agree: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6913/agreepf0.jpg
Match Finished: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6964/gamefinished2hj1.jpg
Match Final: http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8439/3000statfinalyu7.jpg

[Rubbish]

Well that settles it. I knew this was some sht from HC Leader. Great Job Jorge, you pwn mate.

[Nomadic Methods]

Sure looks like it. I can understand people wanting to see a word from 3000 on the matter, since a replay was involved. Hopefully Sol and Dailep are able to get their game in. Good luck to u both, but a little more luck to Sol.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Match Agree: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6913/agreepf0.jpg
Match Finished: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6964/gamefinished2hj1.jpg
Match Final: http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8439/3000statfinalyu7.jpg

Thank you kindly opit.

Win is awarded to el opit.

[Geoffrey]

Good job el.

[2socks]

Thank you kindly opit.

Win is awarded to el opit.
When kingedward, your fellow clansman, was d/c'd in his 1st round game with me you ruled it wouldn't be fair to continue the game because it could never be setup exactly as before, even though kingedward and I both agreed to try to continue it. You even got advice, you said, from others who have run tournaments and they all agreed the game should be restarted.

So what's the deal here Irok? Why wasn't the game between 3000 stat and el opit restarted?

[Rubbish]

They reset. They both agreed that it was well & the setups were correct. 3000 stat AGREED to reset the game & you guys even thought you'd have the advantage and now that you see that he lost you're trying to get it? Is this what you want people to think about Hells Center?

[2socks]

They reset. They both agreed that it was well & the setups were correct. 3000 stat AGREED to reset the game & you guys even thought you'd have the advantage and now that you see that he lost you're trying to get it? Is this what you want people to think about Hells Center?

It doesn't matter what 3000 stat agreed to. Kingedward and I also agreed to continue the game, but Irok overruled us and said we had to restart. It wouldn't be fair otherwise. Why isn't it being ruled the same way here?

[Rubbish]

I don't care. El Opit@ won fair & square, he deserves the win. Now shut up & wait for your Solingro's game with dailep. Don't try & take advantage of stuff & be a good sport.

[2socks]

I don't care. El Opit@ won fair & square, he deserves the win. Now shut up & wait for your Solingro's game with dailep. Don't try & take advantage of stuff & be a good sport.

How did el opit win fairly when the game wasn't ruled fairly? They should have never been allowed to continue. Shouldn't Irok make them restart like he did with kingedward and me? Wouldn't that be fair? Let the game be ruled fairly and then you can be a good sport too.

[powza]

El won. Let it go.

[el opit@]

When kingedward, your fellow clansman, was d/c'd in his 1st round game with me you ruled it wouldn't be fair to continue the game because it could never be setup exactly as before, even though kingedward and I both agreed to try to continue it. You even got advice, you said, from others who have run tournaments and they all agreed the game should be restarted.

So what's the deal here Irok? Why wasn't the game between 3000 stat and el opit restarted?
My questions for u are...
Why u didnt post nothing about this situation before that 3k and me redone the game?...
Why u wait until now to post that things?...
The answers to that questions is behind Rubbish's words..."you guys even thought you'd have the advantage and now that you see that he lost you're trying to get it"

[Geoffrey]

El pwns, simple as that.

[2socks]

My questions for u are...
Why u didnt post nothing about this situation before that 3k and me redone the game?...
Why u wait until now to post that things?...
The answers to that questions is behind Rubbish's words..."you guys even thought you'd have the advantage and now that you see that he lost you're trying to get it"

Sorry, no one told me you were continuing the game until it was already played, otherwise I would have spoken up sooner. Irok knew though. He shouldn't have let the game continue. But it's not too late for him to change things and make a fair and correct ruling.

And no need to act naive. You're all just as partial. Let Irok do what's fair. The tournament will lose it's integrity if Irok doesn't call for a restart.

[el opit@]

Buddy, no1 have to tell u how the tourney goes, u can read about it here.
Btw, i have seen that u and ur whole team have logged in forum while this drama has been discussing so u cant said that u dont kno how the tourney goes.

Let Irok do what's fair. The tournament will lose it's integrity if Irok doesn't call for a restart.

Nice words, but dont try persuade him using that kind of phrases.

[3000 stat]

This is what happened right after el opit@ surrendered the first game we tried to restart in the same postion. We were able to get the exact starting spot besides his scout was at 0 blocking and in the other game his scout was at -10. After a few moves I killed his scout and he had to go again. I said that should count as a win for me but he kept saying since we didnt finish it wouldn't count and if we restarted again his scout would be alive. Than today i see el on GL and he insist we restart with his scout alive. He said we have to play right than because he can't be on later. I kept saying no I'm going to post the ss of his scout dead on the forums but he said we had to play now because he was leaving soon. I finaly agree to see what we can set up. We ended up setting up a game with the healths and blockings way off and his scout still alive. I never agreed this would be our tourny game.

Heres the ss of his scout dead http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk101/chop_suey232/finalwin.jpg
Both of his knights have 33 hp the rest of his units are full here
His back knight has a one turn wait

My scout has 24 and knight has 22 and the witch has 4 rest our full
My witch has a 3 turn wait and scout has a 1 turn wait

[Geoffrey]

The blocking had to be right, if it wasnt, than you would have to replay the entire game.

[2socks]

We ended up setting up a game with the healths and blockings way off and his scout still alive. I never agreed this would be our tourny game.

How could this count?

[~SlayeR~]

The blocking had to be right, if it wasnt, than you would have to replay the entire game.

It would take so long to get the blocking exactly right..

[powza]

Match Agree: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6913/agreepf0.jpg
Match Finished: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6964/gamefinished2hj1.jpg
Match Final: http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8439/3000statfinalyu7.jpg

Read what they are saying in these screenies. You can see that 3000 agreed to the setup and also says "Its up to dailep now" when he finally loses. Let it go. el clearly won.

[Junier]

Opita won and you clearly accept it, don't come here trying to start some other shit 3000, I thought you were better than this.

[3000 stat]

Just to clear things up the thing i was agreeing to at the start was to see if we could set this up correctly. After talking to a few people they agree it wasnt fair to play with his scout and the blocking and healths not correct. I hate bringing more drama to this tourny so I'm sorry for the trouble. I just want to avoid disadvatages to anyone.

[dailep]

I have a questions:
1) why 3000 has different s/s then el optio?
2) why el optio say he wins if 3000 agreed only to figure out if it is possible to start game exactly when they finish! Who missundertand condition of that game?
3) Why el optio eaven didnt metioned that they already restarted game, and he lost scout, and then say: "men, its other game, we cant recreatly again"? :dry: its not the same words as he proudly post: 3000 stat vs el opit@
Winner: el opit@
s/s upon request
Good Played 3000, Good Luck Sol

From my oppinion:
1) El optio surrended its clearly written in s/s - so he lost!
2) They already restarted game from exat position and el optio say: "men, its other game, we cant recreatly again" There is 3000 stat advantage in second s/s so guys game can go in bouth ways! No clear advantage to someone!

From my oppinion 3000 stat wants prove his skills in TAO not in forums with posts and speculations, maybe that was his mistake, if he would post his second s/s first and all our clan will call that 3000 win this game - resoult of all descusions would be different

There is too many possibilities - just restart game guys and best player will win! IROK its up to you! Dont let this situation mess up all tourny!

[Nomadic Methods]

Sorry, no one told me you were continuing the game until it was already played, otherwise I would have spoken up sooner. Irok knew though. He shouldn't have let the game continue. But it's not too late for him to change things and make a fair and correct ruling.

And no need to act naive. You're all just as partial. Let Irok do what's fair. The tournament will lose it's integrity if Irok doesn't call for a restart.


Like El said, u knew about this. U had logged in and read the posts. and ur lead was telling everyopne and their mother about it, so please dont bs us. Secondly, dont include that last line about the integrity. its shameful that u need to resort to pettyness like that.

I never agreed this would be our tourny game.

Really 3000? sure looks like u knew it was a tourny game by ur post match comments. and u had been waiting to play el for quite awhile, positive that u had the upper hand when we spoke, so I doubt u did it as a dry run. You also didnt post anything prior to the final, which seems to show u figured u had it won and didnt need to.


I have a questions:
2) why el optio say he wins if 3000 agreed only to figure out if it is possible to start game exactly when they finish! Who missundertand condition of that game?


From my oppinion 3000 can say:
1) El optio surrended - so he lose, it is clearly in s/s
2) They already restarted game from exat position and el optio lost scout as it is shown in s/s and he quit again - as it is shown in s/s so he lost twice

From my oppinion 3000 proved his skills in TAO not in forums with posts and speculation, maybe that was his mistake, if he would post his s/s first and all our clan will call that 3000 win this game - resoult of all descusions would be different

Too many possibilities - just restart game guys and best player will win! IROK its up to you! Dont let this situation mess up all tourny!

to may things here, but I'll try anyway.
1. does 3000's post game comments look like someone who didnt agree to play it out.
2. the cheap shot of "posts and speculation" doesnt go unnoticed. fact of the matter is that his lack of posting before about a problem hurts his later claims. and the discussion would not be different, because that s/s doesnt show anything as definitive as the ones el posted.
3. here we go again with trying to convince Irok in a coy manner.


Plain and simple, there wasnt any argument before the replay by 3000. not her, not when Rubbish and I talked to him on Banff, or with El when he played him.

"well played...I guess its up to Dailep now" shows that he was ok with it. In fact, knowing 3000, I bet it wasnt till after the others stirred his pot up that he decided to make a fuss. 3000 is a classy player, and his first instinct wasn't to complain. I'm sure u guys influenced his later reaction.

Now we wait

[dailep]

First of all I want to hear answears to my questions from el optio and 3000 and decison from Irok

3000 is a classy player, and his first instinct wasn't to complain. I'm sure u guys influenced his later reaction.


Actualy Normadic - 3000 ask to our clan no posts in forums, thats why we didnt post anything, till someone claim that el optio has advantage and so on. 3000 is good guy and likes play game on TAO not in forums. He could easaly claim:
I win, here is s/s
I have a advantage see second s/s
But he didnt that, he didnt want drama... And now all you guys try to insult him!!!

[WaCk-HeAd]

I'm bored so I want to give my 2 cents.

3000 and el opit played. El Opit disconnects. They play again, el opit lost his scout and left. El Opit convinces 3000 to replay from the point they disconnected (maybe even with false health and percentages). Pretty lame, but 3000 agreed.

3000 loses and his team convinces him he got screwed, which he did. So they're now here complaining.

But that doesn't change the fact that 3000 agreed to play and agreed it was a tournament game showed by his remark "it's up to dailep".

El Opit seems to be a douche, but 3000 should have just claimed the win.

</2 cents>

[2socks]

Buddy, no1 have to tell u how the tourney goes, u can read about it here.
Btw, i have seen that u and ur whole team have logged in forum while this drama has been discussing so u cant said that u dont kno how the tourney goes.

Like El said, u knew about this. U had logged in and read the posts. and ur lead was telling everyopne and their mother about it, so please dont bs us.

Sherlock, you're making accusations about me which are not true and classless. Like I said I didn't know the game was played until afterwards. Did you read how the game came to be played as described by 3000?

Secondly, dont include that last line about the integrity. its shameful that u need to resort to pettyness like that.

The shameful thing here is el opit manipulating 3000 stat in resetting the game 3 times. Like dailep said the first s/s posted by geoffrey clearly shows el opit surrendered. Why wasn't 3000 stat awarded the victory? You want us to give el opit the benefit of the doubt that he was called away from the game by his boss and therefore should be allowed to continue? That's laughable. 3000 was being a class guy letting el opit have another chance, but Irok shouldn't have let it happen, not when it clearly shows he surrendered!

But how can Irok tell me and kingedward that the game can't be reset because the blocking and health won't be the same and then let el opit and 3000 reset a game in which the blocking and health weren't the same? That's what you call a petty argument?

Like I said 3000 should be awarded the victory based on the first s/s posted, and HC should not have been bullied into a reset.

Irok needs to do the right thing here. If this game is allowed to stand then this tourney has no respect.

[dailep]

I'm bored so I want to give my 2 cents.

3000 and el opit played. El Opit disconnects. They play again, el opit lost his scout and left. El Opit convinces 3000 to replay from the point they disconnected (maybe even with false health and percentages). Pretty lame, but 3000 agreed.

3000 loses and his team convinces him he got screwed, which he did. So they're now here complaining.

But that doesn't change the fact that 3000 agreed to play and agreed it was a tournament game showed by his remark "it's up to dailep".

El Opit seems to be a douche, but 3000 should have just claimed the win.

</2 cents>

El Optio say: "men, its other game, we cant recreatly again"
I can interpret 3000 stat and El Optio words as I wish.....

[Geoffrey]

Seriously don't get involved. It is between el, 3000 and IROK. Seriously, I lost, I didn't go around complaining. Suck it up, he lost, he AGREED to play el for the 3rd time, 3000's own fault. He lost, end of story.

[dailep]

... he lost, he AGREED to play el for the 3rd time, 3000's own fault. He lost, end of story.

Geoffrey dont change 3000 words: he say:

I finaly agree to see what we can set up. We ended up setting up a game with the healths and blockings way off and his scout still alive. I never agreed this would be our tourny game.

Just to clear things up the thing i was agreeing to at the start was to see if we could set this up correctly. After talking to a few people they agree it wasnt fair to play with his scout and the blocking and healths not correct. I hate bringing more drama to this tourny so I'm sorry for the trouble. I just want to avoid disadvatages to anyone.

[The Butcher]

Go Hells Angels, Go Hells Angels, Its your Birthday, etc. etc.

[2socks]

Opita won and you clearly accept it, don't come here trying to start some other shit 3000, I thought you were better than this.

You and your clansmen are the only ones throwing sht around. HC has been respectful and you've returned it with insults. Sorry to say it, but SI has no class.

[Jonspen]

Si is throwing shit aound?

Quote this please? I just read this whole discussion, and so far all I've seen is el opit@ posting screenshots of 3000 agreeing to the replay, losing and also confirming it was a tournament game. Nothing any of the Si'ers have said are lies because they're basing their arguement on these proven facts.

[2socks]

Si is throwing shit aound?

Quote this please? I just read this whole discussion, and so far all I've seen is el opit@ posting screenshots of 3000 agreeing to the replay, losing and also confirming it was a tournament game. Nothing any of the Si'ers have said are lies because they're basing their arguement on these proven facts.

Did you see the first s/s of el opit surrendering?
Did you see my post about Irok's ruling in round 1 that resets are not fair?
Did you see 3000's post about el opit asking him for a reset 3 times and changing the set with his scout after he lost it?
Did you see 3000's s/s where el opit is missing his scout?
Did you see 3000's 2nd post that he didn't realize the unfairness of the reset until after the game?
Has el opit contradicted the fact that the blocking and health were not the same in the reset?

Proven facts? Have you actually read this thread or are you pretending you're not an SI groupie?

P.S. LOL, maybe someone can tell me how to see who is the sender of rep because to no surprise there are a lot of classless SI'ers sending me love notes.

[skev21]

You and your clansmen are the only ones throwing sht around. HC has been respectful and you've returned it with insults. Sorry to say it, but SI has no class.

OK, well I for one negged you if you're that bothered as to know who it was from. I don't agree with that post, simple as that. Saying we are the only ones throwing shit around is just crap. You started throwing shit as soon as you generalised this single incident as an example of the entire clan. Saying the entire clan has no class because of what is clearly just a misunderstanding at the end of the day. If 3000stat had won the second time would you be moaning like a child? No. Would we, I doubt it, sure we'd be disappointed that you knocked us out, but we wouldn't be moaning endlessly. OK I'll admit, that replaying the second time may not have been fair, but at the end of the day you agreed because you thought you had this wrapped up. You underestimated el and he beat 3000 stat. Now Geoff is right, this is a situation that needs to be resolved between El, 3000 and IROK. The only reason I'm joining in, is because you're bad mouthing a clan I'm very proud to be apart of.

[fazy]

Good Luck Hc And To All The Other Players In The Tourney Stop Arguing Guys This Isnt Between Us And El And 3000 It Is Between Irok 3000 And El Let Irok Make Talk To The Players And Make His Own Decision Have A Nice Day

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm bored so I want to give my 2 cents.

3000 and el opit played. El Opit disconnects. They play again, el opit lost his scout and left. El Opit convinces 3000 to replay from the point they disconnected (maybe even with false health and percentages). Pretty lame, but 3000 agreed.

3000 loses and his team convinces him he got screwed, which he did. So they're now here complaining.

But that doesn't change the fact that 3000 agreed to play and agreed it was a tournament game showed by his remark "it's up to dailep".

El Opit seems to be a douche, but 3000 should have just claimed the win.

</2 cents>

QFT.

The decision stands. Maybe had 3000 stats PMed me BEFORE the posting of the 3 screenshots that el opit posted, but they CLEARLY show that 3000 stat accepted it as a loss. You don't say "it's up to dailep" and then come to me hoping for a restart.

And that, 2shoes, is the difference. Kingedward and yourself had differences before I ever even had a chance to make a decision. He came to me with a problem before the match was even posted, gave me his HPs and such. 3000 stat went and played the match, and THEN came to me with a discrepancy. If he had one, he shouldn't have replayed the match.

[dailep]

QFT.

The decision stands. Maybe had 3000 stats PMed me BEFORE the posting of the 3 screenshots that el opit posted, but they CLEARLY show that 3000 stat accepted it as a loss. You don't say "it's up to dailep" and then come to me hoping for a restart.


Its only your interpertaton of 3000 stat words read his posts:

I finaly agree to see what we can set up. We ended up setting up a game with the healths and blockings way off and his scout still alive. I never agreed this would be our tourny game.

Just to clear things up the thing i was agreeing to at the start was to see if we could set this up correctly. After talking to a few people they agree it wasnt fair to play with his scout and the blocking and healths not correct. I hate bringing more drama to this tourny so I'm sorry for the trouble. I just want to avoid disadvatages to anyone.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Its only your interpertaton of 3000 stat words read his posts:

Read the screenshots opit posted. There's no "interpretation". He CLEARLY stats "it's up to dailep".

[skev21]

The point is, during the game he clearly said it's up to dailep now, meaning he was accepting the loss.

[dailep]

Read the screenshots opit posted. There's no "interpretation". He CLEARLY stats "it's up to dailep".

I read "it's up to dailep" nothing more I can interpet this how I wish! No approvemnet from 3000 - I lost tourney game, I agree, congratulation El ect.......

Everyone agree that s/s whitch post 3000 where el lose scout shows that 3000 has advantage
Everyone agree that this game also can win el optio as it is shown on s/s
Its not fare to give someone victory just because of misundertanding 3000 stat words, I think its better to SI replay this game and if they finaly win me and 3000 they will get clear and beatifull vicotry! Not dearty 1 game victory over 3000 stat and loosing their respect from HC side for sure and maybe from others also!!!

[Jonspen]

Did you see the first s/s of el opit surrendering?
Did you see my post about Irok's ruling in round 1 that resets are not fair?
Did you see 3000's post about el opit asking him for a reset 3 times and changing the set with his scout after he lost it?
Did you see 3000's s/s where el opit is missing his scout?
Did you see 3000's 2nd post that he didn't realize the unfairness of the reset until after the game?
Has el opit contradicted the fact that the blocking and health were not the same in the reset?

Proven facts? Have you actually read this thread or are you pretending you're not an SI groupie?

P.S. LOL, maybe someone can tell me how to see who is the sender of rep because to no surprise there are a lot of classless SI'ers sending me love notes.

Do any of those questions make a difference to the fact that he lost in a game he clearly agreed to it being:

A) a tournament game
B) ok to start

[2socks]

QFT.

The decision stands. Maybe had 3000 stats PMed me BEFORE the posting of the 3 screenshots that el opit posted, but they CLEARLY show that 3000 stat accepted it as a loss. You don't say "it's up to dailep" and then come to me hoping for a restart.

And that, 2shoes, is the difference. Kingedward and yourself had differences before I ever even had a chance to make a decision. He came to me with a problem before the match was even posted, gave me his HPs and such. 3000 stat went and played the match, and THEN came to me with a discrepancy. If he had one, he shouldn't have replayed the match.

What??? That's not true about kingedward. We had no differences that we knew of and if we did you refused to share them with us so we could work them out, which kingedward and I were willing to do. You made it very clear then that we had to restart and under no circumstances could we reset. I still have your pm's.

As far as going by the s/s, what about the 1st s/s showing el opit surrendering? Why wasn't 3000 awarded the victory then when you saw it?

If in any case we give el opit the benefit of the doubt... the blockings and health weren't the same in the reset. How can you let that stand? Again you made the rule in round 1. The rule didn't come about after the reset. Is there anyone who would think a reset is fair if the blocks and health were not the same? Do you?

Now this whole drama is in question. 3000 explained exactly what happened and how el opit changed the game 3 times. Besides you knew about the d/c, or whatever it was, before the reset. Why didn't you tell them they had to restart then, especially after you had already set the precedent in round 1 with your own guy?

If you let this decision stand this tourney is a joke and it should lose its TAL cert.

[dailep]

Do any of those questions make a difference to the fact that he lost in a game he clearly agreed to it being:

A) a tournament game
B) ok to start

A) ----> from screenshot: el opit@: Yep,r u agree then?
B)------> from screenshot: 3000 stat: yes

Jonspen just show again, that these words can be interpreted in both ways that 3000 agree to try sett up as it was in first game, or he agree a tournament game! I dont think that 3000 liar, everyone who nows him can say that he is a good player and person. Dont call him a liar!

[skev21]

What??? That's not true about kingedward. We had no differences that we knew of and if we did you refused to share them with us so we could work them out, which kingedward and I were willing to do. You made it very clear then that we had to restart and under no circumstances could we reset. I still have your pm's.

As far as going by the s/s, what about the 1st s/s showing el opit surrendering? Why wasn't 3000 awarded the victory then when you saw it?

If in any case we give el opit the benefit of the doubt... the blockings and health weren't the same in the reset. How can you let that stand? Again you made the rule in round 1. The rule didn't come about after the reset. Is there anyone who would think a reset is fair if the blocks and health were not the same? Do you?

Now this whole drama is in question. 3000 explained exactly what happened and how el opit changed the game 3 times. Besides you knew about the d/c, or whatever it was, before the reset. Why didn't you tell them they had to restart then, especially after you had already set the precedent in round 1 with your own guy?

If you let this decision stand this tourney is a joke and it should lose its TAL cert.

1) El Opit@ accidentally surrendered because he walked away, it's essentially a D/C
2) 3000stat clearly agreed for it to count because he said so in the s/s that it would count.
3) IROK wasn't informed of all of these problems until after the game was setup again and El won, probably because 3000stat felt he would win and it wouldn't matter. After he lost and spoke to his clan about it, he then decided he felt hard done by.

Oh and I don't see how Spenny was calling him a liar...

[2socks]

Do any of those questions make a difference to the fact that he lost in a game he clearly agreed to it being:

A) a tournament game
B) ok to start

He didn't agree. Read his post.

[skev21]

Saying it's up to Dailep now, means he recognises that he has lost and Dailep is your only hope of progressing, so actually at the time he did agree. He then decided it was a stupid thing to agree to.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Notice how ONLY HC members are complaining? There's no misinterpretation. When one says "it's up to dailep" he clearly accepted it as a loss. And EVEN if it's NOT the case, why in the hell would he go and play opit AGAIN after his d/c and loss of scout?

The decision stands. If you wish to continue this argument, that's fine, but nothing's going to change the fact that 3000 stat clearly lost the match.

[2socks]

1) El Opit@ accidentally surrendered because he walked away, it's essentially a D/C
2) 3000stat clearly agreed for it to count because he said so in the s/s that it would count.
3) IROK wasn't informed of all of these problems until after the game was setup again and El won, probably because 3000stat felt he would win and it wouldn't matter. After he lost and spoke to his clan about it, he then decided he felt hard done by.

Oh and I don't see how Spenny was calling him a liar...

3000 didn't agree read his post.

And Irok saw the d/c before the reset, the s/s of it was posted. Everyone saw it. Irok should have called for a restart then since he already made the precedent for it. The fact that they played doesn't matter now. If this game is not restarted considering what's been said on both sides then this tourney has no respect.

Also your cheap shot at 3000 is not true. Very classy.

[2socks]

Notice how ONLY HC members are complaining? There's no misinterpretation. When one says "it's up to dailep" he clearly accepted it as a loss. And EVEN if it's NOT the case, why in the hell would he go and play opit AGAIN after his d/c and loss of scout?

The decision stands. If you wish to continue this argument, that's fine, but nothing's going to change the fact that 3000 stat clearly lost the match.

Lmao. Who else is going to complain? who else cares? SI?

EVEN if its NOT the case, 3000 explained why he was playing him. Did you read his posts? It's so obvious how biased you are. You don't even pretend to consider 3000's side of the story. Or for that matter pretend to moderate fairly.

How do you answer the fact that the game should have been ruled a restart as soon as you found out about the d/c? You said in round 1 a reset can't be played fairly.

[dailep]

2shoes, can you post here or send me PM with all conditions, s/s and decriptions and your descusion with Kingedwart and Irok. If I see that Irok changes roles in 3 round, maybe I will refuse to play with solingro because Irok can change roles to our game also.... I dont want to!

[Rubbish]

That's up to you, but everyone except HC members has it really clear who is the winner of the tournament match up even unbiased persons like Wack-Head. The S/S is enough proof. If you don't want to play your game suit yourself, I don't think it'll do you any good.

[Jonspen]

A) ----> from screenshot: el opit@: Yep,r u agree then?
B)------> from screenshot: 3000 stat: yes

Jonspen just show again, that these words can be interpreted in both ways that 3000 agree to try sett up as it was in first game, or he agree a tournament game! I dont think that 3000 liar, everyone who nows him can say that he is a good player and person. Dont call him a liar!

I called him a liar?

Oh no. I haven't insulted anyone, infact I wasn't even involved, I was just scimming forums and saw someone say Si has no honour. Does 3000 stat have screenshot evidence of el opit@ agreeing to a tournament game and losing in a previous game? No. Does el opit@ have evidence of him agreeing to a tournament game and then 3000 stat losing? Yes.

[~HC Leader~]

Nitanius Nouland

After reading all the posts posted by random people .... I think if ~rubbish~ has a right to speak, I do to and this time NITANIUS DONT TELL ME TO SHUT IT.

Now as far as the issue is concerened

The game was replayed according to ur decision and in that game el opit@ states

"men, its other game, we cant recreatly again"

This simply shows that 3000 won that game and that elopit@ tried to cover up by saying its not part of the tourny.

Another thing is that why are all the s/s different? Its pretty wierd.

If 3000 did win the 2nd game they played then why is it so difficult for u being the organizer to rule in favour?

I agree that 3000 showed up late. its true that he put these facts on the table after he lost. This could be misinterpreted.
3000 was manipulated by elopit@ and thats why he did not post the s/s. But when he realised he is being treated unfairly he decided to put the s/s up.

Nitanius i agree that the situtaion is pretty complicated. I see many ways of resolving this but the final decision is yours.

And finally wat im gonna say to EVRYONE HERE is that stop criticizing each other.

As far as this post is concerned i am not going to reply to anyone except

Nitanius
~rubbish~
Elopit@
3000 stat

Anyone else who quotes this post will not get a reply unless i feel that it is really important for me to reply. Please do not take Hc's silence as HC's weakness.

Thats all i have to say.

[Jonspen]

Read my post.

I didn't ask that.

[solingro]

2shoes, can you post here or send me PM with all conditions, s/s and decriptions and your descusion with Kingedwart and Irok. If I see that Irok changes roles in 3 round, maybe I will refuse to play with solingro because Irok can change roles to our game also.... I dont want to!

Just let me know ahead of time so I don't stay up only to find out you don't want to play.

[2socks]

That's up to you, but everyone except HC members has it really clear who is the winner of the tournament match up even unbiased persons like Wack-Head. The S/S is enough proof. If you don't want to play your game suit yourself, I don't think it'll do you any good.

You've got it wrong. If you want to be objective the blame for the problem is not with 3000 stat. It's with Irok from the outset.

Irok ruled a d/c in the 1st round is a restart since he said it can't be reset fairly. He said no way can you reset a d/c. It has to be restarted. What has changed here? When Irok heard about the d/c here he needed to rule a restart. Why didn't he do that? From the perspective of the moderator it makes no difference that the game was played. The players play according to the rules of the tourney, which is upon the moderator to uphold.

What's obvious to any unbiased party is that the moderator needs to uphold the rules fairly, which means to disqualify this game and rule a restart.

What's also perfectly clear is that without bias, if the results were the opposite a restart would have been ruled without question because a restart is the only thing that makes sense in this case and for the integrity of this tourney.

Is there anyone who contests this isn't so? I haven't seen it yet. Even the moderator is quiet on this point. Isn't that interesting. If Irok is really ruling fairly let him answer why he didn't rule a restart after the d/c. Can anyone answer this? Can you, Rubbish, answer this?

[Lieutenant]

Eh, I know this ain't none of my problem, seeing as I'm not playing for either HC or SI in this tournament. But, I should clear out that I think it's unfair that opit@ had to replay 3 times the game. I also think that 3000 stat blames all this crap after he has lost. Technically, I don't see a clear winner out of this, seeing as 3000 stat could've simply dumped all the shit on opit@ from the first game and claimed the win. But seeing as he was a good sport and let the game reset 3 times to opit@'s advantage he ended up losing.

I think that this game should be replayed from the very start to avoid problems, 10 vs 10. No more whinning, no more shit talk. And really, this should be up to IROK, 3000 stat and el opit@. Cos frankly I think it's worthless and pointless to hear comments from people who didn't play, even if it includes me. But I think that IROK should take in consideration the 3 games that were played in order for opit@ to win, and that he d/c'ed in a critical moment in game 1.

From what 3000 stat just told me in Great Lakes, those percentages and healths weren't correct, so I don't really know what to say.

[Nitanius Nolund]

PMs exchanged between myself and Mithrandir:

Alright, here's the situation:

opit and 3000 stat played, and opit had to leave the computer.

They then reset and opit d/c.

They then replayed AGAIN and opit won, with 3000 stat saying "it's up to dailep now"

Now, after all is said and done, 3000 stat comes in and claims that the game should be replayed AGAIN because of HP discrepancies. I'm skeptical of changing the decision stating opit won because 3000 stat didn't state these discrepancies before replaying. He waited until he had lost before bringing forth any problems about the match from the ORIGINAL point of disconnection. So, basically, he comes forth after he's lost (and it's clear that he admitted that he lost) saying it wasn't set up right (and this is the second or third time they had to reset the match, but the problems are from opit's ORIGINAL screenshot).

Personally, I'd like to keep the ruling that opit won. I mean, he clearly accepted the fact that he lost saying it comes down to dailep and sol. However, I'd rather not be the reason for a TAL stamp to be removed.

So, Mith, you're the great tourny host. What should I do?
If I was Bottle, I would repeat the most horrendous tournament call I have ever seen and say, oh gee, 3000 stat deserves a rematch. Fortunately, I am not. If they had discrepancies, that's unfortunate, but they set it up, agreed they had it right, and then finished, and Opit won. I'm frankly suspicious that 3000 stat did this on purpose so he could get multiple chances. Even if he isn't, the risk of abuse makes the call VERY obvious in my opinion. They agreed they had it right, which is an implicit agreement that the game would be decided by the outcome of what they set up. They did their best, they agreed on it, and agreed (implicitly) that it all came down to what happened next. Opit won.

Don't like the call? Tough shit. I don't want to see another post on the matter, from ANYONE aside from Mithrandir/meat.eater as the TAL representatives.

[Lieutenant]

Hm, I guess it's down to Dailep vs Solingro. HC people can blame 3000 stat and grief, while SIers can be happy about the call.

[Rubbish]

Lieu learn when to shut up seriously.
Lets finish this stupid drama & lets have fun in the tournament.
Good Luck everyone with further games.

[Lieutenant]

Lieu learn when to shut up seriously.


Eh, what the hell did I say?

[2socks]

PMs exchanged between myself and Mithrandir:

Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitanius Nolund
Alright, here's the situation:

opit and 3000 stat played, and opit had to leave the computer.

They then reset and opit d/c.

They then replayed AGAIN and opit won, with 3000 stat saying "it's up to dailep now"

Now, after all is said and done, 3000 stat comes in and claims that the game should be replayed AGAIN because of HP discrepancies. I'm skeptical of changing the decision stating opit won because 3000 stat didn't state these discrepancies before replaying. He waited until he had lost before bringing forth any problems about the match from the ORIGINAL point of disconnection. So, basically, he comes forth after he's lost (and it's clear that he admitted that he lost) saying it wasn't set up right (and this is the second or third time they had to reset the match, but the problems are from opit's ORIGINAL screenshot).

Personally, I'd like to keep the ruling that opit won. I mean, he clearly accepted the fact that he lost saying it comes down to dailep and sol. However, I'd rather not be the reason for a TAL stamp to be removed.

So, Mith, you're the great tourny host. What should I do?


Don't like the call? Tough shit. I don't want to see another post on the matter, from ANYONE aside from Mithrandir/meat.eater as the TAL representatives.
omg, wth is this. are you el opit's lawyer? your entire pm to mith is bleeding bias for opit. You don't even present 3000's side of the story. what do you expect mith to say to a one-sided story. in case you were wondering this is how the judicial system works in corrupt societies. lmao. for sure the TAL stamp should be removed from this tourney.

[Lieutenant]

omg, wth is this. are you el opit's lawyer? your entire pm to mith is bleeding bias for opit. You don't even present 3000's side of the story. what do you expect mith to say to a one-sided story. in case you were wondering this is how the judicial system works in corrupt societies. lmao. for sure the TAL stamp should be removed from this tourney.

DROP IT 2SHOES. That's a mod call, whether you like it or not there's nothing you can do about. The only person that can look like a noob here is you for whinning. Any complaints? Talk to 3000 stat for not pointing out every injustice earlier.

Plus, there's still one game to be played, calm down.

[Mithrandir]

Irok posted your pm to him in the forum. the bias in his explanation to you is bleeding through every word. did he tell you that he set a precedent in round 1 that a d/c is a restart and can't be reset?

did he explain to you why he didn't rule a restart when he learned about the d/c in this case? the reset should have not been allowed to begin with by his own ruling in this tourney. and therefore the reset should be overturned.
Yeah, I totally don’t care. If he stated that in his first post, then that’s stupid, and he was right to not stick with it. Even if that wasn’t the case, they agreed to the replay and went with it. That’s a contract between the two players, and I’m not okay with letting your friend break his contract just because he lost.

did he even explain to you 3000 stat's side of the story which is not clear from the s/s.

Like i said i saw Irok's pm to you and he is not fairly representing to you both sides of this issue. He's ruling with a bias and a double standard.

Not only that but the game was so badly compromised its a wonder how it can it be allowed.

if this ruling stands this tourney is a sham and shouldn't be TAL certified. Irok has made a joke of it. Have you seen some of his comments throughout the tourney threads?

Any right minded person given the facts from both sides would call for a restart in this case and let the controversy end and the better man win.

This is all poor rhetoric, with no argument contained within it. Shame on you.

I looked through the thread to see the other side of the story. I don’t have the patience to point out every fallacy you noobs came up with, but fortunately Wack-Head and others pointed most of them out for me.

It is patently obvious that you are just scrambling to do whatever you can to win, coming up with whatever random argument you can to possibly claw your way out of a loss, EVEN clearly stupid arguments. You remind me of my sister, it’s really pathetic. I’m not pleased with Opit for pushing for the replay from before he lost his scout. But 3000 stat agreed to it, and by doing so, they made the contract that the third replay would decide the matchup. Opit won, AND 3000 stat acknowledged that. And now the story changes when you win-at-all-costs A-holes realize you think you can try to get out of it rhetorically? Are you freaking kidding me?

Seriously not cool, partially because I should be asleep right now (for once) rather than typing this post after sorting out this crap. So in addition to just pissing me off for using deceptive (and crappy) rhetoric, I’m majorly holding against you that you’re preventing me from sleeping. That’s on a personal level, not a TAL administrator level.

On a TAL administrator level, 2socks, you should be remarkably grateful I have not permanently banned you from TAL for your terrible sportsmanship. Don’t pull your win-at-all-costs crap again.

For the record, the TAL stamp stays. This problem is not IROK’s fault, he’s simply unfortunate enough to have these tards join his tournament.

[Geoffrey]

/pwned.

[~HC Leader~]

Mithrandir!

I have had enough of "lovely" comments about my clan!

FO CRYING OUT LOUD STOP IT !!!! and this applies to evryone!

I HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED ANY CLAN !!! check evry post by me in the forums and pont out one that says something bad about anohter player or clan!

So, no one has the damn right to criticize my clan!


This tournament was started under the imprssion that HC sux and now that we proved our skill, evryone is acting funny.

Anyway, let bygones be bygones. The tournament continues and I once again will prove that my clan can proceed to the finals.

I hope dailep wins this match and this will prove evryone wrong.

Thats all i have to say!

Take care Mith.

Peace.

[WaCk-HeAd]

You're odd.

[Detonation]

Mithrandir!

I have had enough of "lovely" comments about my clan!

FO CRYING OUT LOUD STOP IT !!!! and this applies to evryone!

I HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED ANY CLAN !!! check evry post by me in the forums and pont out one that says something bad about anohter player or clan!

So, no one has the damn right to criticize my clan!


This tournament was started under the imprssion that HC sux and now that we proved our skill, evryone is acting funny.

Anyway, let bygones be bygones. The tournament continues and I once again will prove that my clan can proceed to the finals.

I hope dailep wins this match and this will prove evryone wrong.

Thats all i have to say!

Take care Mith.

Peace.

Calm down ;), mith didn't even say anything bad about your clan, he is talking about 2socks attitude. Enough is enough guys, you can't do anything to change their decision anymore so just let it go and focus on the last game, I do believe 3000 stat got screwed but it was his fault for not posting before the outcome was official. I guess this should teach you to always post right after you get out of a game.

[2socks]

Not cool man. I pm you and you rant and bash me on the boards. w/e I guess I've had nights like that too. It helps to know who you're dealing with.

My point was always simple with no rhetoric. You pass Irok off as stupid and I say he is unfair and biased. Ok. I'm sure they're both true. Convenient how he was stupid for the benefit of his own clan. ;)

The bottom line is we're all cool with where we're at now. HC is a great clan and so is SI. It's been a fun tourney so far. No reason it shouldn't continue. Good luck to everyone who is still playing.

Just on a personal note for the public record and all differences aside overall I appreciate the time and effort Irok has put into moderating this tourney. I'm sure everyone feels the same way.

[The Butcher]

You're odd.

Agreed.

[el opit@]

I’m not pleased with Opit for pushing for the replay from before he lost his scout.
Mith, Im a serious person and i dont like the drama much less in a simple game like TAO. I have lost so many games and i never complain about it (at least that the luck or stupid moves from me part piss me off...:p)



We never redone the game as 3k said, the game where i lost my scout (to 3k: why cost u accept it men???). We tried redone it, but it was imposible (why imposible??..simply because we cant got the blocking like it was). Besides his witch still alive and in a wrong position (she had 3 turn left and blocking-100)...how u expect that im not going to kill her before?... :confused:) Also my units are every1 in the same position less a knight that try hit his ass and she blocks (i explain this later on) and he had moved his scout, his witch after "3 turns left"....and I had moved nothing!!!...lol, that have no sense guys. :confused:
He just said "let me see what happen if try to kill ur scout" my scout doesnt block, after that i said him "let me see now if i try hit ur assa" his assa blocks. So when he said me "lets post ss without ur scout" i laugh...its like.."this guy is crazy" how can he said that stuff if the game wasnt recreated as it was.
End of Story

[pils]

Mithrandir!

I have had enough of "lovely" comments about my clan!

FO CRYING OUT LOUD STOP IT !!!! and this applies to evryone!

I HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED ANY CLAN !!! check evry post by me in the forums and pont out one that says something bad about anohter player or clan!

So, no one has the damn right to criticize my clan!


This tournament was started under the imprssion that HC sux and now that we proved our skill, evryone is acting funny.

Anyway, let bygones be bygones. The tournament continues and I once again will prove that my clan can proceed to the finals.

I hope dailep wins this match and this will prove evryone wrong.

Thats all i have to say!

Take care Mith.

Peace.

Your clan deserves to have shit talked about it because of the people you chose to represent it, and they sneaky conniving people they have proven themselves to be.

[~HC Leader~]

Mith, Im a serious person and i dont like the drama much less in a simple game like TAO. I have lost so many games and i never complain about it (at least that the luck or stupid moves from me part piss me off...:p)



We never redone the game as 3k said, the game where i lost my scout (to 3k: why cost u accept it men???). We tried redone it, but it was imposible (why imposible??..simply because we cant got the blocking like it was). Besides his witch still alive and in a wrong position (she had 3 turn left and blocking-100)...how u expect that im not going to kill her before?... :confused:) Also my units are every1 in the same position less a knight that try hit his ass and she blocks (i explain this later on) and he had moved his scout, his witch after "3 turns left"....and I had moved nothing!!!...lol, that have no sense guys. :confused:
He just said "let me see what happen if try to kill ur scout" my scout doesnt block, after that i said him "let me see now if i try hit ur assa" his assa blocks. So when he said me "lets post ss without ur scout" i laugh...its like.."this guy is crazy" how can he said that stuff if the game wasnt recreated as it was.
End of Story


El why are u creating more drama?

Irok stated his decision! We accepted it!
U dint have to contradict to 3K's words coz it might strike something else off.

So let bygones be bygones and good luck!

[el opit@]

Irok stated his decision! We accepted it!

i kno that kid, just calm down ok?

[~HC Leader~]

i kno that kid, just calm down ok?


watevr el opit@

forget the whole thing! and ive always been calm!

Unless u truly piss me off which hasnt happened just yet and hope it wont happen!

take care and peace.

[The Butcher]

watevr el opit@

Unless u truly piss me off which hasnt happened just yet and hope it wont happen!


Yeah.. or else he'll post a really weird lengthy and unnecessary bitchin thread at you and....

oh ... wait...

[~HC Leader~]

Yeah.. or else he'll post a really weird lengthy and unnecessary bitchin thread at you and....

oh ... wait...

Oh shut up butcher!

i dint ask for ur comments! The convo was between me and opit@ so dont put ur ass where its not supposed to be!

[Nitanius Nolund]

ENOUGH!

Seriously, if I see one more post bashing a participant of this tournament, or a decision that was made regarding the opit/3000 stat match, there WILL be repercussions.

I don't want to see any more bullshit in this thread. If you aren't posting a win or a PM between you and your opponent, I don't want to see it.

Sol/dailep, what time are you playing on Saturday?

[The Butcher]

Oh shut up butcher!

i dint ask for ur comments! The convo was between me and opit@ so dont put ur ass where its not supposed to be!

/quivers

ENOUGH!

Seriously, if I see one more post bashing a participant of this tournament, or a decision that was made regarding the opit/3000 stat match, there WILL be repercussions.

I don't want to see any more bullshit in this thread. If you aren't posting a win or a PM between you and your opponent, I don't want to see it.

Sol/dailep, what time are you playing on Saturday?

my bad rok

[Jonspen]

watevr el opit@

forget the whole thing! and ive always been calm!

Unless u truly piss me off which hasnt happened just yet and hope it wont happen!

take care and peace.

You can TOTALLY tell you're REALLY calm and COMPLETELY unstressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[solingro]

Just played Dailep and won, I'm sure he'll confirm

gg bud

[dailep]

My center vs his center, I lost gg

[Geoffrey]

Great win Sol, thanks for pulling us through.

[Jonspen]

Awesome :cool:

[Geoffrey]

I shot gun Slayer if HA wins. :)

[Rubbish]

Nice job sol, I was sure you'd take us casa buddy.
GG Hells Center & Great Job to SI's grey team. GL next round choobs.

[Nomadic Methods]

Great Job Sol. On to the finals.

HC, great job in the tourny. You surprised alot of ppl and put ur clan name on the map. good luck in future tourny's.

[Lieutenant]

Well done SI, I think we will see each other in the finals.

Concerning HC, I think you guys did fine for a Clan Grey Tournament, good job! 3rd or 4th place is never bad at all. I think you guys should feel proud of yourself. Maybe next time you'll know that it's best to do: avoid the whinning and posting screenshots in time.

Let the party roll! :)

[~HC Leader~]

Hello Evryone!

I just wanted to congratulate Strategic Insomniacs for their win over HC!

WELL DONE GUYS !!

I am actually happy and sad considering we made it so far and couldnt finish atleast 2nd. Happy to the fact that we proved people wrong.

Anyway we will play for 3rd place and lets see wat happens!

GOOD LUCK TO SI and Hells Angels!