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Mithrandir
04-27-2008, 12:09 PM
Time is short, but this is an idea I really want to try out before I retire.

This idea was partially inspired by the general structure of Greed’s Backyard Unit Draft Tournament. It occurred to me, what would it be like if in a tournament, players did not have set advantages over each other? That sounded interesting, but at the same time I had to wonder, which set would they both use? If it was a turtle, advantage would be to the turtlers, if it was an anti, advantage would be to the anti-rush users, if it was a rush, etc. So here’s how this tournament works.

You and your opponent will take turns designing one set, a set that you will both use. Player 1 (decided randomly) will pick one unit and place it wherever they want (for this part of the tournament, there will be no delay if you pick the DT, you will both just take turns putting down one unit each; if you pick the DT, your opponent will NOT pick twice in a row next turn). Then Player 2 will pick a unit and place it wherever they want, etc. Although, if the DT is chosen, then Player 2 will only get to pick and place four units, so Player 1 will have an advantage in that sense.

They will place units by declaring the unit and the tile number, using this map as a reference:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/892/blankhalfboardct9.jpg

The one limitation to the selecting process is that the cleric must be placed in the back row, to attempt to prevent complete and utter chaos.

Once the set is designed, Player 2 will then have the option to either choose who goes first, or whether the game is “same side” (or exact mirrors opposite each other), or “opp side” (exact same set, just with both setting close to the trash can). Whichever one he does not choose, Player 1 will choose. If at the start of the game the wrong player gets first turn, he will pass his turn, but the player that starts will still only be allowed to use units available to him had he gotten first turn (meaning he can’t use a scout, dragon, dsm etc in his first move).

This is a bit confusing, so I decided to give it a trial run with Priest, to make it more understandable.

Using a randomizer, Priest turned out to be Player 1, with me as Player 2.

Priest: Cleric on Tile 4.
Mith: Golem Ambusher on Tile 43.
Priest: Wisp on Tile 12.
Mith: Mud Golem on Tile 44.
Priest: Berserker on Tile 45.
Mith: Scout on Tile 33.
Priest: Scout on Tile 48.
Mith: Dragon Tyrant on Tile 46.
Priest: Frost Golem on Tile 21.

I decided I wanted to picks turns, and I take second turn.
Priest chose same sides, so he stuck with the set as we created it, and I switched sides, so I had a scout on 40 instead of 48, etc.

The opening looked like this:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7890/mirrorsetssg8.jpg

We played a very interesting, difficult game, and Priest outplayed me. Then he got a key Berserker side block to solidify it.

If you have any questions, by all means ask them, but read carefully first, I think I have explained it fairly clearly.

I will run this in a single elimination, typical strict rules setting. Players will have one week to make the set and play their game.

Signups:
1. Meat.eater
2. Priest
3. Pxndx
4. Dawg by Default
5. Elimination
6. Wisher
7. ~Sumpfin~
8. Anarchy_United
9. Elemental
10. Silver Coast
11. I'malive24/7
12. Master TAO
13. Veilmenacex
14. xEaglex
15. Hatchet Warrior
16. Headshot TG
17. Abhimanu
18. Dark7
19. Skev21
20. Powza
21. Shurtugal
22. Kingedward
23. Maverik07
24. Lieutenant
25. The bored king
26. ~Rubbish~
27. Enjoi
28. Magician
29. Legend Z
30. TAO Veteran
31. Detonation
32. Dream
33. Lord White
34. lemon_
35. Elven Blood
36. Snowolf
37. Kodiak
38. Cekkino
39. Lost.boy
40. Darkness

meat.eater
04-27-2008, 12:10 PM
Sounds fun. I'll play.

~Priest~
04-27-2008, 12:14 PM
sign me up.

Pxndx
04-27-2008, 12:19 PM
Sign me up Mith.

ZADICO
04-27-2008, 12:35 PM
not TAL points??:p

Dawg by Default
04-27-2008, 12:37 PM
this looks like alot of fun, im down if this happens ;)

Hoolwath
04-27-2008, 12:40 PM
I am affraid it will be very boring, copying opponents moves, and come down to luck when two equal players get matched up.

elimination
04-27-2008, 12:46 PM
Sign me up, and mith you didn't explain everything......
When will it be held?

Wisher
04-27-2008, 12:47 PM
Ill join

~SuMpFiN~
04-27-2008, 01:04 PM
Sign me up, seems very complicated though, but im sure everyone will get the hang of it quickly.

Anarchy_United
04-27-2008, 01:21 PM
Kinda stupid, but I could be wrong, so sign me up.

EleMENTAL
04-27-2008, 01:24 PM
Sign me up

Nitanius Nolund
04-27-2008, 01:29 PM
Once the set is designed, Player 2 will then have the option to either choose who goes first, or whether the game is “same side” (or exact mirrors opposite each other), or “opp side” (exact same set, just with one setting close to the trash can and one setting away).

This is wrong. Same side games are when one player sets away and one sets near. Opposite side games are when the players set on the same side.

Anyway, I'll sign up.

Mithrandir
04-27-2008, 01:47 PM
I am affraid it will be very boring, copying opponents moves, and come down to luck when two equal players get matched up.

Try a practice game, it doesn't work out that way. For instance, in my game with Priest, the Berz and Wisp really changed things up.

And thanks IROK, I'll fix that.

I'malive24/7
04-27-2008, 01:54 PM
I'll sign up.

Master TAO
04-27-2008, 02:35 PM
sign me up

Veilmenacex
04-27-2008, 03:45 PM
sign me up

xEaglex
04-27-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm in

Hatchet Warrior
04-27-2008, 03:53 PM
Sign me up, this could be a very fun tourny.

Head Shot TG
04-27-2008, 04:14 PM
sign me up, please

~Priest~
04-27-2008, 04:21 PM
I am affraid it will be very boring, copying opponents moves, and come down to luck when two equal players get matched up.

Nah man, like mith said, it doesn't end up like you think it will at all.

Both opponents have to take into account combos they plan on performing, by placing units in certain spots. They also have to take into account, that the second player gets to choose first or second turn. So while player 2 is placing units knowing that he has the advantage of turn, player 1 is placing units to counter player 2's advantage. Another aspect to take into account is the fact that player 1 will be able to choose opposites or same sides. The whole placing process is a mini game unto itself.

abhimanu
04-27-2008, 04:42 PM
sign me up please.

Dark7
04-27-2008, 04:56 PM
sign me up! sounds awesome

skev21
04-27-2008, 05:21 PM
Sign me up please.

powza
04-27-2008, 05:50 PM
Ill sign up Mith, this looks good. So every game will basically be same sides too then. Or will there be a 50/50 chance of it being opposites??

mantis33
04-27-2008, 06:11 PM
I am affraid it will be very boring, copying opponents moves, and come down to luck when two equal players get matched up.

Fact.

shurtugal
04-27-2008, 06:14 PM
I'll play, *cough put me against meatnub uncough* :)

kingedward
04-27-2008, 06:37 PM
I'm in.

Maverik07
04-27-2008, 06:46 PM
Sign me up.

Lieutenant
04-27-2008, 06:55 PM
Seeing as it's your last tournament before quitting. Sign me up. ;)

the bored king
04-27-2008, 07:04 PM
I'm in

Rubbish
04-27-2008, 07:09 PM
I'll play.

Enjoi
04-27-2008, 07:14 PM
Im in.

Magician
04-27-2008, 09:22 PM
I'm in.

Lieutenant
04-27-2008, 09:54 PM
This looks like a rather interesting tourney Mith, do you have any idea when you'll start it?

Hatchet Warrior
04-27-2008, 10:01 PM
Can I please have slayer first round? I'll even pay you mith :D

Isaac-Z
04-27-2008, 10:29 PM
I will join.

†Tao Veteran†
04-27-2008, 11:25 PM
This seems interesting. Sign me up Mith.

Detonation
04-28-2008, 12:52 AM
Sign me up please :)

~SlayeR~
04-28-2008, 01:52 AM
I'll be in. I guess.

Niveus
04-28-2008, 02:08 AM
ill play

lemon_
04-28-2008, 04:14 AM
Sign me up.

Elven Blood
04-29-2008, 12:08 PM
ya, i'll join.

Snowolf
04-29-2008, 12:32 PM
i will join

shurtugal
04-29-2008, 01:03 PM
Meat = Mine >:]?

Kodiak
04-29-2008, 03:25 PM
This should be interesting...sign me up.

cekkino
04-29-2008, 03:32 PM
I'm in too

Lost.Boy
04-29-2008, 04:20 PM
I'll join if there is enough room.

Silver Coast
04-29-2008, 06:50 PM
Hehe. Sure, why not? Not as active as I used to be, but sign me up. Sounds like fun.

Nitanius Nolund
04-29-2008, 06:52 PM
Take me off the list Mith. Thanks.

Lost.Boy
04-30-2008, 03:14 PM
Stop Leaving tourneys.

kingedward
04-30-2008, 03:28 PM
He's leaving TAO. You want him to become a bye to whoever gets him? >.>

Elven Blood
04-30-2008, 07:55 PM
wut happened to IROK?
why is he banned and why is he leaving TAO?
i havent talked to him in a week or so...
wuts going on?

Silver Coast
04-30-2008, 08:11 PM
Calm down..

He is leaving TAO to do something with his life. IROK chose to leave and Mith, respectively, did.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35535

_Darkness_
04-30-2008, 08:13 PM
I'll sign up.

Dream
05-01-2008, 07:38 AM
In.

~SlayeR~
05-01-2008, 07:40 AM
Take me off.

The Butcher
05-02-2008, 02:42 PM
DAMNIT

Cant believe i didnt see this thread, i missed out :crybaby:

EleMENTAL
05-03-2008, 07:03 PM
wrong thread >.<

Silver Coast
05-04-2008, 07:24 AM
I'm pretty sure it doesn't say this on the front page, so I guess I will just ask. When does the tourney start?

kingedward
05-04-2008, 07:29 AM
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35558

Two days ago.

Magician
05-05-2008, 04:42 PM
Rubbish and I have finished selecting our units:

LW tile 2
Furgon 21
BW 9
GA 42
Knight 41
DSM 40
Wisp 8
Scout 1
Cleric 7
BR 32

We're starting now.

Elven Blood
05-05-2008, 07:55 PM
did you miss the "round 1" thread, or was posting here an accident, lol.