The United States Dollar

[Liquid Swordsman]

I was reading through this a little while ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#Dollarization_and_fixed_excha nge_rates

and I got to this paragraph


Not long after the introduction of the euro (€ ; ISO 4217 code EUR) as a cash currency in 2002, the dollar began to depreciate steadily in value. As U.S. trade and budget deficits continued to increase, the euro started rising in value. By December 2004, the dollar had fallen to new lows against all major currencies; the euro rose above $1.36/€ (under €0.74/$) for the first time, in contrast to previous lows in early 2003 (€0.87/$). In the first quarter of 2004 the U.S. dollar, with the advantage of Federal Reserve's policy of raising the interest rates, regained some standing against all major currencies, climbing from €0.78/$ to €0.84/$. However, all gains were lost in the second half of 2004, and the dollar stood at €0.74/$ at the end of 2004. Since 2002, the only year in which the dollar actually recovered against the euro was 2005. Although some analysts previewed the dollar dropping as far as $1.60/€ (€0.63/$), it finished 2005 with an increase against the euro, climbing to €0.83/$. An interest rate reduction by the Federal Reserve on September 18, 2007, raised the euro's value significantly and caused the dollar to fall below €0.70 one month later, to new record lows.[18] Economists like Alan Greenspan suggest that another reason for the continued fall of the dollar is its decreasing role as the world's reserve currency. Jim Rogers declared that he thinks the dollar's value will fall even further, especially against the Chinese yuan. Chinese officials signaled plans to diversify the nation's $1.43 trillion reserve in response to a falling U.S. currency which also set the dollar under pressure.[19][20] The dollar sank to new lows against the euro in the days following 4 March 2008, following a series of dour reports on the U.S. economy and expectations that the Federal Reserve will continue slashing interest rates.

Euro per US dollar 1999-2008 Year Highest ↑ Lowest ↓
Date Rate Date Rate
1999 03 Dec €0.9985 05 Jan €0.8482
2000 26 Oct €1.2118 06 Jan €0.9626
2001 06 Jul €1.1927 05 Jan €1.0477
2002 28 Jan €1.1658 31 Dec €0.9536
2003 08 Jan €0.9637 31 Dec €0.7918
2004 14 May €0.8473 28 Dec €0.7335
2005 15 Nov €0.8571 03 Jan €0.7404
2006 02 Jan €0.8456 05 Dec €0.7501
2007 12 Jan €0.7756 27 Nov €0.6723
2008 21 Jan €0.6905 23 Apr €0.6274
Source: Euro exchange rates in USD, ECB


it got me thinking, how is our country going to come out of this downward spiral? the dollar is rapidly depreciating while the euro (among other things) are steadily going up. how are the values even decided?

what can the US do to stop this cycle?

and the little graph came out really shitty so just click the link you lazy bastards

[Anarchy_United]

Simple: Stop spending more money then collected from taxes.

[Liquid Swordsman]

that's the only thing that determines the value?

and how did the euro have any affect on that..and why did it start happening if it wasn't before

[bludhoundz]

The Euro isn't directly responsible for the drop in value of the dollar.

The Euro strengthened the European economy, and ours was already weakening, so the dollar just kept losing value.

I believe that we are actually regaining some lost ground right now, but I could be wrong.

[The Butcher]

Being in a recession is gaining ground?

I dont really have any idea what im talking about.

[Liquid Swordsman]

in 2005 it stopped going down for a small amount of time but since then it has crashed more (look at the graph on the website, it's in section 8 or something)

[clay]

All I know is the Canadian dollar is going up so I'm stoked =)

Hopefully cheaper prices in canada because where I live (Calgary) is in a boom, and everything is expensive. Atm, 1.45 a litre = about 6.50 per gallon? But yeah, lol.

[Kyir]

I don't care, our currency > everyone else's.

[clay]

Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P

[Kyir]

Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P

It's not the dollar, so it's not pro at all.

GTFO my currency.

[Liquid Swordsman]

Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P

stupid illiterate..whatever you are

[Kyir]

I seem to remember America saving Europe's collective asses multiple times.

Just sayin'

[KBHoleN1]

Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P
I can't stop laughing. You said this to Kyir! What a moron.

[The Butcher]

Clay seldom thinks before he posts, it seems.

(see the pictures thread) :p

[OFFLINE]

My dad know why the dollar is going down ill ask hhim

[2xfire]

Well we could give out like $300-$600 dollars in stimulas checks so the money will go back into the economy. Oh wait it went right over to saudi arabia........

[KBHoleN1]

Have you read about the billionaire that is investing his own money in wind farms? Claims that the energy generated could replace 20% of oil consumption in America. Not sure if it will work, but at least somebody with money is moving in the right direction. He talked about private investors financing alternative energy solutions, presumably because the government will never get it done on their own.

[clay]

Jeez, some people need to know how to take a joke and get a sense of sarcasm. For one, why neg someone because they spell something wrong? Not everyone has PERFECT grammar on these forums. Two, I didn't know he wasn't American so why hate on me? Three, you have one of the stupidest government's in the world. Your country is run by an ape and lots of you support him. I see you've already found your way to the bottom of the melting pot... That was mostly directed at kbholen in regards to his comment in his neg btw

[KBHoleN1]

You insulted all Americans based off the post of someone who isn't even American, and you misspelled the insult on top of that. Dumb as shit.

[Zander]

I didn't know he wasn't American, I just thought it was stupid to take the post seriously.

[clay]

You insulted all Americans based off the post of someone who isn't even American, and you misspelled the insult on top of that. Dumb as shit.

No, I insulted bush and you. Not all americans lol. Read again...

[The Butcher]

clay = commy

[clay]

Actually I'm Canadian... Not a communist. Wow.

[bludhoundz]

Have you read about the billionaire that is investing his own money in wind farms? Claims that the energy generated could replace 20% of oil consumption in America. Not sure if it will work, but at least somebody with money is moving in the right direction. He talked about private investors financing alternative energy solutions, presumably because the government will never get it done on their own.

Some countries already use Wind Energy, though it isn't responsible for more than like 10% of their energy, it's still a viable source and probably worth us looking into.

There are tons of other ways to make energy that would save us a lot of money.

[The Butcher]

No, I insulted bush and you. Not all americans lol. Read again...



Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P
..

[clay]

Guy, the thing about conceited Americans, obviously a joke.

[BrownGuy]

Some countries already use Wind Energy, though it isn't responsible for more than like 10% of their energy, it's still a viable source and probably worth us looking into.

There are tons of other ways to make energy that would save us a lot of money.

I read in an article that if we increased our usage of wind and tidal energy it would save us a billion dollars..

[Anarchy_United]

Guy, the thing about conceited Americans, obviously a joke.

I'm curious if you know what percentage of communication is non-content based. Or even have a rough estimate, if you consider that obvious.

[KBHoleN1]

No, I insulted bush and you. Not all americans lol. Read again...
Lol, not your stupid little neg. The post moron.
Obviously not. The pound owns the american dollar. Stupid conceided americans =P
Apparently I can read. And Butcher beat me to it.



And blud, I know a lot of countries use wind farms, there are plenty here already. But this guy is talking about installing massive wind farms out west, I think between Texas and Canada, what they called some kind of wind alley. Billions of dollars invested directly to the project. It would probably be accompanied by lots of political bickering, but if it works like he envisions it would be a big step in the right direction.

[clay]

It was a joke, hence why it was in black and a =P beside it.. You need to learn how to take hints.

Also, yeah read my post again. You will see I insulted just Bush and you. I even said it was mostly just directed at you. Kthxbai

[-=Gun=-]

well basically that 100's of billions of dollars the US has spent on the war, all of it was borrowed. Has undermined the value of the dollar making everything from oil to imported food and cars more expensive = inflation.

a quick explanation for those that don't know what the word means :)

[BrownGuy]

well basically that 100's of billions of dollars the US has spent on the war, all of it was borrowed. Has undermined the value of the dollar making everything from oil to imported food and cars more expensive = inflation.

a quick explanation for those that don't know what the word means :)

the majority of that money was paid of by us stealing oil from them..

[-=Gun=-]

thats what was supposed to happen, but it didn't.

[Kyir]

Three, you have one of the stupidest government's in the world.

Sorry, we'll let you guys chill with World War 3, good luck with zombie Hitler.

Plus, where did everyone get the idea that I wasn't American?

I love being part of the greatest country on earth.

[Lonely Tylenol]

All I know is the Canadian dollar is going up so I'm stoked =)

Hopefully cheaper prices in canada because where I live (Calgary) is in a boom, and everything is expensive. Atm, 1.45 a litre = about 6.50 per gallon? But yeah, lol.

I'm stoked too, for all of the three weeks I'm going to be in Canada.

[clay]

Sorry, we'll let you guys chill with World War 3, good luck with zombie Hitler.

Plus, where did everyone get the idea that I wasn't American?

I love being part of the greatest country on earth.

KbHolen negged me and stated you weren't American so yeah. Greatest country on earth? Sure, their a powerhouse, but don't take it that far.

[Kyir]

KbHolen negged me and stated you weren't American so yeah. Greatest country on earth? Sure, their a powerhouse, but don't take it that far.

No, greatest.

Get off my continent.

[Ächilles]

I don't care, our currency > everyone else's.

Kyir, I get that you're the prototypical uploaded into your own brain internet personality. And that's all well and dandy. Screw off wherever you want. But in serious discussions, do you think you could lay off for once? Besides, everything you say is the same recycled garbage over and over. It's not like it's that funny.

It's not the dollar, so it's not pro at all.

GTFO my currency.

Again... stupid and meaningless and only depleting from a real discussion...

Sorry, we'll let you guys chill with World War 3, good luck with zombie Hitler.

Plus, where did everyone get the idea that I wasn't American?

I love being part of the greatest country on earth.

I bet you have a "THESE COLORS DON'T RUN" bumper sticker on your pickup truck too. Probably meshes well with the gun rack on the rear window and Dale Earnhardt bobble head on the dash.

No, greatest.

Get off my continent.

You're clearly really close minded. This is BY FAR not the greatest country on Earth. You've clearly never been to or even learned about places that are truly free. Germany, Australia, Switzerland.. these places are free. America is the shell of a country that was once free.

So if you're not going to contribute, then don't post here. Either flip off the "I'm gonna be a mindless, unfunny dickwad" switch or get out.

[BrownGuy]

thats what was supposed to happen, but it didn't.

uh..yea it did, 50% of our exported oil was from Iraq

[Kyir]

I bet you have a "THESE COLORS DON'T RUN" bumper sticker on your pickup truck too. Probably meshes well with the gun rack on the rear window and Dale Earnhardt bobble head on the dash.


I don't drive, trying to save our environment unlike some people.


You're clearly really close minded. This is BY FAR not the greatest country on Earth. You've clearly never been to or even learned about places that are truly free. Germany, Australia, Switzerland.. these places are free. America is the shell of a country that was once free.


I don't remember saying freedom = great.

Try again.

[Ächilles]

I don't drive, trying to save our environment unlike some people.

Baseless.

Even better is that if you search through my posts, you will find me clearly stating on several occasions on how I got rid of my car and bought a bicycle.

I don't remember saying freedom = great.

Try again.

I don't remember me ever saying that you said freedom = great. But I won't tell you to "try again." See, I don't say what every single loser gamer kid on the internet says. I, you know, talk my own way because I have my own personality.

Just don't post here anymore. You like to act stupid, I don't care. Just don't do it in serious (and really interesting) discussions. If you want to be a ninny about this, then just PM me.

[Anarchy_United]

uh..yea it did, 50% of our exported oil was from Iraq

Citation needed.


And the fact that the US would have invaded Iraq for the oil is inane. Why? Unstable goverment = unstable exportation of oil. While Hussein was not the nicest of leaders, he represented a very stable goverment.

As this chart represents, exportation of Iraqi oil fell after the Iraq war:http://uploads.abovetopsecret.com/ats15949_Iraq_Oil_Exports_1999-2003.JPG

In addition, oil prices are controlled by Supply and Demand, so by decreasing supply, oil prices increase. Why is it so hard for people to accept that the goverment was simply misinformed, and its not some dastardly goverment scheme.

[Magician]

I love being part of the greatest country on earth.

Damnit.. Ach beat me to it. :(

Suffice to say Scotland > America. If nothing else, it's the Scotch. :cool:

[Kyir]

Baseless.

Even better is that if you search through my posts, you will find me clearly stating on several occasions on how I got rid of my car and bought a bicycle.


I don't remember mentioning any names, perhaps you should stop making accusations to cover up your inability to just face the fact that not everyone agrees with you.


I don't remember me ever saying that you said freedom = great. But I won't tell you to "try again." See, I don't say what every single loser gamer kid on the internet says. I, you know, talk my own way because I have my own personality.

I know, I speak english because I want to be like everyone too.

Damnit.. Ach beat me to it. :(

Suffice to say Scotland > America. If nothing else, it's the Scotch. :cool:

I'll admit to a close race.

I don't remember me ever saying that you said freedom = great

I think that was implied by countering me saying that America is the greatest by stating that other countries had more freedoms.

[R G]

Good God the idiots are out in force in this thread...:rolleyes: BrownGuy gets the big dummy award though with this crap.

uh..yea it did, 50% of our exported oil was from Iraq

Where did you get your facts? Did you pull them out of your ass? We don't get 50% of our oil from any one nation and Iraq is not even in the top 5 of export countries...hell the US doesn't get 50% of their oil from OPEC member nations.

Feel free to educate yourself....:rolleyes: Or you can always continue to stick your head up your ass and look for more sheot

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbblpd_a.htm

well basically that 100's of billions of dollars the US has spent on the war, all of it was borrowed. Has undermined the value of the dollar making everything from oil to imported food and cars more expensive = inflation.

a quick explanation for those that don't know what the word means :)

CLUELESS!!!

The US has borrowed trillions of dollars for years and years and years....you can thank your fellow politician and his/her love of power and your fellow American and yourself who keep begging for the government to bring in more government money to their district, pay for things like your poor planning for your own retirement, entitlement programs, subsidies for corporations/agriculture and eventually healthcare(you think the war is expensive?...just wait for that).

There are two things that are happening in the US economy that is making it faulter at the time...The Financial Crisis and The Price of Commodities(namely Oil). If you really study the Financial Crisis you can see where the ground work for that was put in place as far back as the Carter Adminstration.

The rising commodities market is what we get for a global economy. It has allowed people of developing countries to get jobs while at the same time losing jobs in the US....mainly due to wages. Now the intent has backfired....as it has created a new middle class in other nations...all of which are consuming more and more products....driving the price of commodities up and up and up.

[-=Gun=-]

uh..yea it did, 50% of our exported oil was from Iraq

wait so...you're saying...that we earned back alot of the money we spent on the war....by taking oil from Iraq? :dry:

[Magician]

Price of gas sucks.

Apparently you guys pay about $6/gallon, yeah? Most of the UK is a over £1 a litre (I think the average is around £1.10, but I'd need to double check), which works out to roughly $9/gallon after conversion. It's a damn good thing I don't drive.

[-=Gun=-]

well yeah its very bad in europe, but european drivers get about 30 more miles per gallon then american drivers do. on an average. i pay about $4 a gallon, 17 gallons to fill. maybe 25-30 miles per gallon

EDIT: the majority of cars on the road have vry poor gas mileage so id estimate they get maybe 13-18 miles per gallon

[Magician]

What do you drive? Have you considered buying a new car... I'm sure there are plenty of more economic cars available.

[-=Gun=-]

i drive a 2005 honda civic. and you know 25-30 miles per gallon is pretty good here in the states. most SUV's and large cares get under 20 and sometimes 10

[Magician]

i drive a 2005 honda civic. and you know 25-30 miles per gallon is pretty good here in the states. most SUV's and large cares get under 20 and sometimes 10

I didn't realise 25-30 mpg was considered good. I look at that statistic and think: "Damn..." I'm now curious as to why there's such a difference between European and American cars, in terms of fuel economy... :confused:

[-=Gun=-]

its not the cars, its the drivers. because of the extremely high prices european drivers just drive completely different. an example would be: if an american driver is driving towards a green light and it turns yellow he will put the gas pedal to the floor and try to get through if he cant he slams on his breaks skidding halfway into the intersection. a european driver who probably wouldnt be going at an entirely highspeed anyway would just calmly slow down to the red light then shut off his car to keep it from running durring the duration of the red light.

[Zander]

Gun, get the **** out of America.

[-=Gun=-]

care to tell me why? or am i gonna get another america > you because we're awesome

[Kyir]

Gun, get the **** out of America.

This.

[R G]

its not the cars, its the drivers. because of the extremely high prices european drivers just drive completely different. an example would be: if an american driver is driving towards a green light and it turns yellow he will put the gas pedal to the floor and try to get through if he cant he slams on his breaks skidding halfway into the intersection. a european driver who probably wouldnt be going at an entirely highspeed anyway would just calmly slow down to the red light then shut off his car to keep it from running durring the duration of the red light.


And what is the speed limit on the Autobahn??? :rolleyes:

I would doubt very seriously if anyone shuts off the car while waiting at a red light. In fact doing so would use more fuel than just letting the car idol.

[-=Gun=-]

thats untrue actually, they did tests of some sort. i started to do the samebut i forget unfortunately but i can say i got about an extra 5 to the gallon by doing some of the things that european drivers do.

[Lex]

care to tell me why? or am i gonna get another america > you because we're awesome

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vz77TI7t7Do

[Unforgottner]

example would be: if an american driver is driving towards a green light and it turns yellow he will put the gas pedal to the floor and try to get through if he cant he slams on his breaks skidding halfway into the intersection. a european driver who probably wouldnt be going at an entirely highspeed anyway would just calmly slow down to the red light then shut off his car to keep it from running durring the duration of the red light.

That is entirely not true at all.
Stop stereotyping Americans and thinking that we're all reckless idiots whose love of oil has made us all corrupt.

[Unforgottner]

thats untrue actually, they did tests of some sort.

Source?

[***Duo***]

I didn't realise 25-30 mpg was considered good. I look at that statistic and think: "Damn..." I'm now curious as to why there's such a difference between European and American cars, in terms of fuel economy... :confused:

My Tahoe gets 16 miles to the gallon.

I walk at least 15 miles a day now, because I refuse to pay for such a ridiculous vehicle. (It was passed down to me.)

Hoping to sell it and grab something that gets around 50 MPG.


-Duo

[-=Gun=-]

EDIT:http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vz77TI7t7Do


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

great joke.

[-=Gun=-]

That is entirely not true at all.
Stop stereotyping Americans and thinking that we're all reckless idiots whose love of oil has made us all corrupt.

tell me where i said every american? i know plenty of people who are finding new ways to keep their car fuel efficient and less ridiculous. I am making a generalization of what ALOT of drivers do.

plus there are alot of articles being written about ways to lower gas consumption, i think in the NY times, but i am not sure.

[Unforgottner]

plus there are alot of articles being written about ways to lower gas consumption, i think in the NY times, but i am not sure.

I want a specific source, saying that shutting off your car at a red light saves you gas.

[Zander]

I want a specific source, saying that shutting off your car at a red light saves you gas.
You're so ignorant.

[-=Gun=-]

its just logic. starting your car uses electricity so having it off other then running would obviously save gas

[Unforgottner]

You're so ignorant.
How am I ignorant? Gun said there have been studies done. I'd like to see them.

its just logic. starting your car uses electricity so having it off other then running would obviously save gas

It takes more gas to turn your engine over to start it up again rather than letting it idol at a red light for 10 seconds.

[-=Gun=-]

who says every light is ten seconds, there are different kinds of lights, and no it doesn;t you are very ignorant, it uses such a small amount of gas to start the car it wouldn't even matter. its not like its a jumbo jet taking off on a runway

[KBHoleN1]

Avoid idling your vehicle, in both summer and winter. Idling wastes fuel, gets you nowhere and produces unnecessary greenhouse gases. If you're going to be stopped for more than 30 seconds, except in traffic, turn off the engine. In winter, don't idle a cold engine for more than 30 seconds before driving away. (Older vehicles, however, may need more idling time when first started. In cold, winter conditions all vehicles may need more idling time to warm up and ensure the windshield is fully defogged. Be sure your vehicle is warmed enough to prevent stalling when you pull out.)

http://www.eartheasy.com/live_fuel_efficient_driving.htm

[Unforgottner]

who says every light is ten seconds

Have you ever been at a red light more than a minute?

Thank you, KBH.

[-=Gun=-]

EDIT:

@KBholen1: i am glad someone on this ridiculous forum knows what the hell i'm talking about.

@Unfo: i have.

[KBHoleN1]

EDIT:

@KBholen1: i am glad someone on this ridiculous forum knows what the hell i'm talking about.

@Unfo: i have.
I've actually disagreed with almost everything you've said, mainly because you make claims without proof or proper explanation. But I did look for a few minutes and educated myself on the subject. You're a part of this ridiculous forum.

[Unforgottner]

If you're going to be stopped for more than 30 seconds, except in traffic, turn off the engine.


a european driver who probably wouldnt be going at an entirely highspeed anyway would just calmly slow down to the red light then shut off his car to keep it from running durring the duration of the red light.


...

[Jeffery]

Have you ever been at a red light more than a minute?

Thank you, KBH.
Yes I have.

[Unforgottner]

And did you shut off your car?

[-=Gun=-]

I've actually disagreed with almost everything you've said, mainly because you make claims without proof or proper explanation. But I did look for a few minutes and educated myself on the subject. You're a part of this ridiculous forum.

i admit i am part of it :) because its a game i enjoy playing in my spare time.

and im glad you looked it up, because that IS what i am talking about, the unnecessary gas consumption.

[Jeffery]

And did you shut off your car?
It's a taxicab with AC for the customer. So hell no.

[Unforgottner]

i admit i am part of it :) because its a game i enjoy playing in my spare time.

and im glad you looked it up, because that IS what i am talking about, the unnecessary gas consumption.

You said they shut their cars off in traffic, when that says you're not supposed to do that. So it's the opposite of what you said...

Didn't think so Jeff.

[-=Gun=-]

did i say traffic? stop freaking out, i was giving an example about the different habits of gas consumption because of the state of gas prices. i shut my car off at red lights when i can.

[Jeffery]

did i say traffic? stop freaking out, i was giving an example about the different habits of gas consumption because of the state of gas prices. i shut my car off at red lights when i can.
Your using more gas than you are saving shutting your car off at red lights. as backed by every report you've mentioned.

[Unforgottner]

did i say traffic?

YES! Read the post I quoted!

EDIT: Report she's mentioned? She didn't mention ANY. She has no sources to back up her bullshit claims.

[-=Gun=-]

not really, most red lights have a tendency to be 30 sec or over around here and because of the minimal amount of gas it takes to start your car, i find i am saving quite a bit

EDIT: @ unfo, i never said in traffic, also if you learned to read there was a link posted a page back to a site about how to save gas and make your car have a better fuel economy.

[Unforgottner]

EDIT: @ unfo, i never said in traffic, also if you learned to read there was a link posted a page back to a site about how to save gas and make your car have a better fuel economy.

I know how to read. You didn't post it. KB did. I asked for a source from YOU and you failed.

And what part of IT TAKES MORE GAS TO START YOUR CAR THEN LET IT IDOL DON'T YOU GET?!?!

[Jeffery]

not really, most red lights have a tendency to be 30 sec or over around here and because of the minimal amount of gas it takes to start your car, i find i am saving quite a bit

EDIT: @ unfo, i never said in traffic, also if you learned to read there was a link posted a page back to a site about how to save gas and make your car have a better fuel economy.
A car from1990 and up uses the equivalent of 1 minutes worth of gas starting. The ONLY time you save money is if you would be idling more than a minute.
Which you aren't at 30 second red lights.

[Anarchy_United]

I didn't realise 25-30 mpg was considered good. I look at that statistic and think: "Damn..." I'm now curious as to why there's such a difference between European and American cars, in terms of fuel economy... :confused:

Its a combination of less tight laws, and retardedness on the part of car companies. Just like in the 70's, American Car companies are having a hard time realizing people want fuel effecient cars, and their business is suffering. Its rather stupid actually.

[-=Gun=-]

I know how to read. You didn't post it. KB did. I asked for a source from YOU and you failed.

And what part of IT TAKES MORE GAS TO START YOUR CAR THEN LET IT IDOL DON'T YOU GET?!?!

okay im sorry you're not allowed to accept other peoples posts.

thats entirely untrue. it absolutely saves gas to shut off your car then to let it idol.the generator takes such a minimal amount of gas.

Have fun:
www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/drive.shtml

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/05/30/how-to-improve-your-gas-mileage-23-top-tips-for-better-fuel-economy/

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/fueleconomy/

http://www.fordf150.net/howto/fueleconomy.php

http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/ag_top_fuelsave.htm

[The Butcher]

Jeffery,

I read a story that says cabbies are feeling the gas crunch the worse, even having to find a new profession due to clearing about $20 a day down from $80 - $100.

Is that true for you?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/07/news/economy/taxis_gas_prices/index.htm?section=money_latest
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/nyregionopinions/CI_CabSurcharge_cc.html

[BrownGuy]

Jeffery,

I read a story that says cabbies are feeling the gas crunch the worse, even having to find a new profession due to clearing about $20 a day down from $80 - $100.

Is that true for you?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/07/news/economy/taxis_gas_prices/index.htm?section=money_latest
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/opinion/nyregionopinions/CI_CabSurcharge_cc.html



uh..just jack up the fare prices and your good. the demand should be the same

[Unforgottner]

okay im sorry you're not allowed to accept other peoples posts.

thats entirely untrue. it absolutely saves gas to shut off your car then to let it idol.the generator takes such a minimal amount of gas.

Have fun:
www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/drive.shtml

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/05/30/how-to-improve-your-gas-mileage-23-top-tips-for-better-fuel-economy/

http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/fueleconomy/

http://www.fordf150.net/howto/fueleconomy.php

http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/ag_top_fuelsave.htm

These all say the exact same thing. If you're stationary for a couple of MINUTES (thats the key word here, Gun.), then shut your car off. But if you're in traffic, or sitting there for thirty SECONDS (there's a difference here. If you're picking that up, good) you leave it running.

[ponefish]

I shift into neutral, as stated above it takes more gas to start a car then let it idle.

[The Butcher]

uh..just jack up the fare prices and your good. the demand should be the same

Thanks jeffery...

..oh wait :dry:

He drives a cab for a living BG, im sure its not that simple.

[clay]

Gawd, just buy a motorbike like me. Problem solved. Costs me about 20 bucks to fill and goes for a solid 3-4 weeks. BTW, I'm driving a 2001 honda vtr 1000 firestorm. Before, when I was riding my old bike (1992 suzuki GSXR 600) it was a little better on gas for some reason. Only cost about 15 bucks to fill and went just as long. We took a road trip from Calgary to Kelowna, BC. If anyone doesn't know how far that is, the total round trip we took was probably I'd say 4000 km's? Something like that maybe? It cost me 80 bucks in gas... Problem solved...

[Unforgottner]

Gawd, just buy a motorbike like me.

A motorcycle is useless in the snow.

[clay]

Then, buy a winter beater or take the bus -.-

I do have a car ofcourse, but a shitty winter car. 1992 nissan skyline gts-t lol. The turbo really causes some problems in the snow. You want to know a car not to buy if you want fuel efficiency? A skyline... lol

[The Butcher]

A motorcycle is useless in the snow.

And really shouldn't even be driven in the rain, for that matter.

[clay]

Butch, it is absolutely no problem in the rain whatsoever, unless you drive like an idiot, or it's muddy. Other then that, put on your rain suit. I hate how people think it's oh so dangerous to ride in the rain. If you don't ride like a jackass, then it's completely fine.

[KBHoleN1]

We took a road trip from Calgary to Kelowna, BC. If anyone doesn't know how far that is, the total round trip we took was probably I'd say 4000 km's?

http://www.enorthernbc.com/Distance-Chart.asp

Calgary to Kelowna round trip = 1204 km

Unless you did circles along the way, you didn't go anywhere near 4000 km.

[clay]

We rode more then just stricly there and back. I'm saying the trip counter was at about 4000 km when we got back. We rode for like an entire week everyday in town, to vancouver from kelowna for a day and back, and yeah. It wasn't just strictly calgary to kelowna.

[The Butcher]

Your not the only person in the world who drives a motorcycle clay, if you even drive one.

Driving a sport bike in the rain is not a good idea, period. IMO.

[clay]

I do, I can even upload pics of it if you want. Do you drive one? Have you even looked at the motorbike licence book before? Do you know anything about them? It's comepletely fine to drive in the rain if you don't drive like an idiot. I know from first hand experience as I've been riding for about 2 years.

EDIT: Care to explain why it isn't a good idea? I need a good laugh...

[The Butcher]

Yes i had a gsxr 600 as well, an 05. I'm looking at my license right now.. and i know a few things about them..

And i did not like driving in the rain. It made me uncomfortable. Thus the reasonsing why i wrote "IMO" after my sentence.

Explanation over tough guy.

If you want to continue, PM me.

PS, if you want a good laugh, re-read your last 15 or 20 posts, they're pretty hilarous.

Example:
People don't talk behind my back because I don't start beef with anyone. I'm a nice guy and normally I don't get upset over anything really. I'm going to speak reality now: It's ridiculous how some people over an internet have that big of an ego such as wizzy or zander. Something must be lacking in their life's that makes them think an opinion really matter's that much over the internet. Maybe opinion was the wrong word used in this context but I think you get my point. I don't really see how I looked stupid in this situation. It was basically a disagreement between me and one person, when 3 other people jumped in and started slagging me for no apparent reason?

[clay]

Lol nice pm. I know what I'm talking about, so I'm done with it. Chao

[KBHoleN1]

Lol nice pm. I know what I'm talking about, so I'm done with it. Chao
You have the maturity of a fifth grader. Any discussion in which someone proves you wrong you immediately say, I know I'm right so I'm done. Saying you're right over and over doesn't make you right. Either support your argument and give other people a reason to believe you, or shut the hell up. Kthxbi is not a valid argument, it only makes you look like an idiot.

[The Butcher]

Lol nice pm. I know what I'm talking about, so I'm done with it. Chao

your reaction time, and your bikes reaction time are slowed in the rain. im not worried about driving like an idiot and crashing, im worried about an idiot slammin on his brakes, and my bike not having the proper traction to stop in time, or a tree branch, etc etc etc.

I never attacked you, or said an ill word to you, until my last post. I cleared stated "IN MY OPINION" after my post. So you had no right or motive to attack me, quit treating everyone like they are out to get you. STFU.


You mean this PM?

I thought i was pretty damn nice..

[Liquid Swordsman]

motorcycles are a big thing throughout my family, my dad basically built his from the ground up and since i was a little kid motorcycles have been a part of my life

"Butch, it is absolutely no problem in the rain whatsoever, unless you drive like an idiot, or it's muddy. Other then that, put on your rain suit. I hate how people think it's oh so dangerous to ride in the rain. If you don't ride like a jackass, then it's completely fine." - clay

do you not realize riding your bike in the rain MAKES you a jackass? keep doing it, doesn't bother me, but i'll be pissed when you die and i don't have the opportunity to say I TOLD YOU SO

edit : jeff, where did you find the information about how much fuel it takes to restart the engine? i've kind of been looking for some information on it myself

[EatMine]

honda vtr 1000 firestorm, we took a road trip from Calgary to Kelowna, BC ... 4000 km's ... cost me 80 bucks in gas...I guess you're talking about Canadian prices here ... what's the gas price in BC ... about 150 (CAD/liter) ?
That would mean your bike only needs 1.3 liter per 100 km (that's about 180 miles per gallon).
So, either you have a very special edition of the firestorm or you're talking septuple trash :rolleyes:

Edit: Even in US prices, it's still 125 mpg, way too much ...

[clay]

I'm serious. At the time when we did it (last summer) gas wasn't as high as it is now. I think it was like maybe 70-90 cents a litre?