Money = Debt = Money

[Take a Look]

Well guys, it most have been fun living in a superpower, but now you must say c'est la vie. Being trillions in debt, having government "bailing out" more like loaning companies, borrowing money from Asian countries, printing so much from the Federal Reserve and the central banking system, losing your civil liberties, and if you get lucky, you have parts sold to communist nations.

This is a never ending circle, if you create money out of thin air you have to be prepared for something like this.

So, tell me, American citizens, do you believe that you truly are fucked as a nation, or do you believe what the mainstream media says?


The failure of our world to resolve the issue of war, poverty, and corruption, rests within a gross ignorance about what guides human behavior to begin with - Peter Joseph

[Kyir]

The fact that I am a god and I live clearly will make sure that nothing will happen in the long run.

I won't promise anything for Europe though, they're even worse off the we are and I'm not helping them out at all.

Also, you're never going to resolve war, ever.

Sorry.

[The AIDS Virus]

Who cares, I'm moving to Germany. It's been the plan since I was 3.

[Kyir]

Who cares, I'm moving to Germany. It's been the plan since I was 3.

I hear plans made at three years of age always work out well.

[R G]

This problem is not just limited to the US....It's global. European Banks announced today that they were working on their own bailout plan and the UK is looking to nationalize their banks.

Hang on to your hats cause this is gonna be a bumpy ride.

One of the good things for me is my industry seems follow economic cycles by about 1-2 years.....Right now we are busy...Later down the road we will be slow.

[Take a Look]

I paid 15 Kr for a bottle milk today.... WTF!??!!?!? That's 2.75374 USD

[Medemia]

Well, I was talking to my wife the other day and I can see this being used to fulfill Biblical prophecy. No where in prophecy is the United States so the US needs to be taken out of the picture as a world superpower. The US is built as a house of matchsticks which will only take one spark to burn the whole thing up. With the strength of the Euro now, it will take very little to replace the dollar with the Euro as the universal currency. The housing market and the greed of corporations have added kerosene to the pile.

Abraham was told that he would get the "Promised Land" but could not yet because the people of Canaan had not filled the cup of judgment yet. I think it is only a matter of time until the cup of judgment is filled and the US is judged for turning its back on the precepts of God.

“Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.” - Ronald Reagan

[Kyir]

With the strength of the Euro now, it will take very little to replace the dollar with the Euro as the universal currency.

Except that part where EVERYONE'S ECONOMY IS CRASHING AND BURNING.

No one likes your countries anyway, at least America gets to play the abusive big brother that is only secretly respected.

[bludhoundz]

I hope this doesn't become another religious debate now.. I bet I jinxed it

[Kyir]

I hope this doesn't become another religious debate now.. I bet I jinxed it

I was trying to make it more like America Vs. The Bad Countries.

[iceman2001]

I'll go with the mainstream media over whatever fringe sources you seem to represent....
Sure, our economy has tanked in the last two weeks. Then again, so has the entire world economy. With any amount of perspective, this isn't the end of America but a bump in the road. Perspective you clearly lack.

Well guys, it most have been fun living in a superpower, but now you must say c'est la vie.
C'est la vie doesn't mean we lost our status as a superpower. I think it literally translates to "such is life." In terms of the current recession, I'd take it to mean that recessions are an inevitable occurance that we must just learn to live through. Hence "such is life" or "this is life."

Being trillions in debt, having government "bailing out" more like loaning companies, borrowing money from Asian countries, printing so much from the Federal Reserve and the central banking system, losing your civil liberties, and if you get lucky, you have parts sold to communist nations.
Saying that the federal reserve is just printing out money to pay off our debts is categorically untrue. As far as Asian countries buying all of our debt, realise that you don't have to look that far into the past to see a very similiar occurance. See: Japanese economy from 1970 to 2002. 15 years of expansive growth followed by 15 years of recession.

So, tell me, American citizens, do you believe that you truly are fucked as a nation, or do you believe what the mainstream media says?

As an American citizen, I believe that the US economy is in a recession. This does not mean we're "fucked as a nation." It just means you haven't lived long enough to actually understand that recessions happen every eight or so years. The stock market will be back up, probably within 2 years.

[Jeffery]

Money does not equal debt. Spending non-existent money equals debt.

The US is in financial trouble, but then again so is the rest of the world. Consider Iceland, which is strongly considering filing for national bankruptcy. Look at the world banks, the international markets, the European stocks, the Asian stocks.... All are crashing at the same time.

The US may be having troubles, but we still have a higher standard of living than most countries. Our gas is still cheaper, our purchases still cost less. Even during our recessions the standard of living is higher than most of the entire world.

So yeah, the US is "fucked" so bad that millions of people still want to come live here. Oh gee, how bad it is.

[Gypsy]

I hope this doesn't become another religious debate now.. I bet I jinxed it

I think it may be inevitable now.

Edit: mmmm /thread after the two posts above me I see.

[I MaFiA I]

Kyir wins again.

[Kyir]

I feel ashamed now.

[Take a Look]

I just found something related to this.

Zeitgeist 2 - Addendum
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

[Anarchy_United]

I just found something related to this.

Zeitgeist 2 - Addendum
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Since we all remember how the first one of those quality videos went over on these forums.

[CPC]

Iceland is pretty screwed too, which affects the EU as they try to put it back on its feet. Although there are rumors that America will suffer the likes of another Great Depression, they are after all rumors. The media sends out messages that are either exaggerated or are not really even true. Bush will insist on reassuring the American people that the economy is sound. However, its all a load of crap. They have to say that so that we go and invest our money in banks, or spend it. As opposed to telling us the economy is actually falling apart, jobs are becoming scarce and layoffs frequent. Because that's when people pull their money out of banks, they stop spending, and then everyone gets screwed over...Well except for some of the CEOs that is.

[iceman2001]

I just found something related to this.

Zeitgeist 2 - Addendum
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

That's a terrific source to back up your arguement!

[Sinyra]

Bush will insist on reassuring the American people that the economy is sound. However, its all a load of crap. They have to say that so that we go and invest our money in banks, or spend it. As opposed to telling us the economy is actually falling apart, jobs are becoming scarce and layoffs frequent. Because that's when people pull their money out of banks, they stop spending, and then everyone gets screwed over...Well except for some of the CEOs that is.

right on the nose. unfortunately, what's good for getting the economy back on track, i.e. spending, isn't good for the individual. grrrr.... I'd totally spend if i had more then 60 bucks in my bank account.

[R G]

Iceman you being an economic major I am curious about what you think about raising taxes on corporations as Obama has proposed?

I for one feel that this would only set our economy back further, and put us in a deeper economic turmoil than we already are.

-It would raise costs and possibly start inflation on good and services - this would be horrible in an economy that is struggling.
-It could also force corporations to move their headquarters to countries with a more favorable tax structure....This would take alot of jobs out of the US economy and along with it alot of US payroll taxes. Consider all of the companies that have already located offshores for that very reason....Shell, BP, Halliburton just to name a few.

[CPC]

right on the nose. unfortunately, what's good for getting the economy back on track, i.e. spending, isn't good for the individual. grrrr.... I'd totally spend if i had more then 60 bucks in my bank account.

Ouch, but you are making interest on that $60 so it is to your individual interest and to the banks interest that you keep the money there and perhaps add more! ;)

[R G]

Ouch, but you are making interest on that $60 so it is to your individual interest and to the banks interest that you keep the money there and perhaps add more! ;)


Ya but if it a typical Big Corporate bank that might be 1%. Big damn deal!

[Magician]

Alot of bigger banks don't offer alot of interest on current accounts, and if they do, it's usually limited to about £2500 or so (I think that's what HBOS has on offer at the moment). Instant Saver Accounts offer a high rate of interest, but again at a fixed amount - £3600 here.

It's a shame HBOS's share value is plummeting quickly, and the bank I bank with (RBS) has lost about 40% of its share value over the past couple of days... Shit happens. We'll be fine in a few years, I hope.

[Jeffery]

Good news is that anyone with less than 100k in a US FDIC bank will not lose a dime no matter what happens.

[CPC]

Good news is that anyone with less than 100k in a US FDIC bank will not lose a dime no matter what happens.

Its now 250k as of now. FDIC has changed to the same amount as IRA. Got a confirmation email from my bank.

[R G]

They just moved that up to 250K, it was part of the 700Billion Bailout plan, but how many people have that much money in a savings bank.

Edit:
CPC beat me too it....lol

[CPC]

They just moved that up to 250K, it was part of the 700Billion Bailout plan, but how many people have that much money in a savings bank.

I definitely do not.

[R G]

I definitely do not.

Well I was going to ask you to sponsor my gold :p

[Hatchet Klown]

Capitalize on the recession, invest in stocks that are currently tanking. You may lose money in the short term, but you'll gain big in the long. Then again, millionaires aren't made overnight.

[R G]

Capitalize on the recession, invest in stocks that are currently tanking. You may lose money in the short term, but you'll gain big in the long. Then again, millionaires aren't made overnight.


That is how Warren Buffet did it.

[Hatchet Klown]

I don't handle my own investments, my brother does that for me, but yeah; that's become my new retirement plan. :p

[CPC]

Or add $100 a month to your bank account, and make interest on both that $100 and the money that was already in there so as to have a fair amount by the time you retire.

Well I was going to ask you to sponsor my gold :p

Lol I'd love to but too busy making interest off of it. :p

[Hatchet Klown]

Because retiring on less than 150k is really believable.

[Coffin Fedder]

They just moved that up to 250K, it was part of the 700Billion Bailout plan, but how many people have that much money in a savings bank.

Edit:
CPC beat me too it....lol

You'd be surprised. We are one of the different countries out there I suppose you could. For kids to get off there feet and actuallly do something, shit maybe even go to college. Works are so difficult to deal with these days if say a family member dies because of a work related accident. Terrific money if your working at like a acid plant or any type of place while a well paying income. Happens to the best of us I suppose you could say.

[CPC]

You'd be surprised. We are one of the different countries out there I suppose you could. For kids to get off there feet and actuallly do something, shit maybe even go to college. Works are so difficult to deal with these days if say a family member dies because of a work related accident. Terrific money if your working at like a acid plant or any type of place while a well paying income. Happens to the best of us I suppose you could say.

Yes because I really want my uncle Tom to be dismembered by large sheet of metal and then burned alive in a giant tub of acid so that I can pay off my bills for the next 20 years. :p

[Coffin Fedder]

Yes because I really want my uncle Tom to be dismembered by large sheet of metal and then burned alive in a giant tub of acid so that I can pay off my bills for the next 20 years. :p

Probably how it'd turn out too. The economies just all kinds of freaky it seems to be, I'm only 15 and still I have an idea of what I'm probably getting myself into. May as well move somewhere besides the US where it's a little sane.

[bludhoundz]

May as well move somewhere besides the US where it's a little sane.

If you think it's any saner out there, you need a reality check.

Everywhere is insane in its own way.

[Coffin Fedder]

Yeah, you have a point. Easier to stay here. Use to all the b's that happens. Can't imagine getting use to some different.

[bloodreign]

Fact of the matter is the US is no longer able to maintain it's ECONOMIC supperiority, so look for the mighty USA to INCREASE IT'S MILITARY BUDGET!
and try to take over some small countries. (stans and irans) perhaps meld mexico in to an AMERO type deal.

I mean in all reality listen to their plans....to cut all spending except the DEFENSE BUDGET!

Get ready for more WAR!

[CPC]

Yeah, you have a point. Easier to stay here. Use to all the b's that happens. Can't imagine getting use to some different.

The economy will likely recover in a year. Which point you will be 16 - That still doesn't really affect you. And in a few years it will be fine again, most likely. It just sounds really bad while its in progress, but the recession will only go on for so long before we climb out. However I do wonder how we will ever pay off our 10 trillion dollar debt. That definitely is questionable.

[uniquinous]

Well, I was talking to my wife the other day and I can see this being used to fulfill Biblical prophecy. No where in prophecy is the United States so the US needs to be taken out of the picture as a world superpower. The US is built as a house of matchsticks which will only take one spark to burn the whole thing up. With the strength of the Euro now, it will take very little to replace the dollar with the Euro as the universal currency. The housing market and the greed of corporations have added kerosene to the pile.

Abraham was told that he would get the "Promised Land" but could not yet because the people of Canaan had not filled the cup of judgment yet. I think it is only a matter of time until the cup of judgment is filled and the US is judged for turning its back on the precepts of God.

“Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.” - Ronald Reaganyour spiritual beliefs have nothing to do with the poor decisions of wall street.

as for the original poster: as long as I can go down to the store, buy food, and pay rent, the world's still turning pretty evenly for me. If milk suddenly doubles in price, I can still afford it. I won't be vacationing anytime soon, but again, things are fine in my life. So, remind me again how this country I call home is completely crumbling.

[Chaos 4.0]

That is how Warren Buffet did it.

He's richer than Bill Gates now.

[CPC]

Has anyone on this forum won the lottery? That covers your retirement I'm sure. ;D

[iceman2001]

Iceman you being an economic major I am curious about what you think about raising taxes on corporations as Obama has proposed?

I for one feel that this would only set our economy back further, and put us in a deeper economic turmoil than we already are.

-It would raise costs and possibly start inflation on good and services - this would be horrible in an economy that is struggling.
-It could also force corporations to move their headquarters to countries with a more favorable tax structure....This would take alot of jobs out of the US economy and along with it alot of US payroll taxes. Consider all of the companies that have already located offshores for that very reason....Shell, BP, Halliburton just to name a few.

Got to be honest man, economically I definately see more eye to eye with McCain. I lean democratic heavily on social issues, which thus far has made me vote democratic. Due to my disposition, gay marriage is a strong issue. Seperation of church and state (or the lack thereof) is important. ID has no place in modern education, period.

[CPC]

Ice, just tried to read your sig. What on Earth were you trying to say when you were wasted and posting? Do you even know? Lol.. :p

[iceman2001]

Ice, just tried to read your sig. What on Earth were you trying to say when you were wasted and posting? Do you even know? Lol.. :p
You know what, it's worth a shot. Part of it I got "off" on the keyboard so to speak, and was too drunk to notice. What I think what I was trying to convey was that I use tao to sober up when I get sexually frustrated from striking out at parties. That night was no exception. Let me try and translate:

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Translation:
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[The AIDS Virus]

It's even better translated

[Gypsy]

as long as I can go down to the store, buy food, and pay rent, the world's still turning pretty evenly for me. If milk suddenly doubles in price, I can still afford it. I won't be vacationing anytime soon, but again, things are fine in my life. So, remind me again how this country I call home is completely crumbling.

It's almost time to run around naked. Not quite though.

That's very nice iceman! : D

[Take a Look]

At least the Oil isn't expensive here, right now.

[Gypsy]

At least the Oil isn't expensive here, right now.
It's going down here at least. I've seen it as low as $2.83 USD per gallon.

[CPC]

It's even better translated

LOL I was scratching my head when reading the translation but gave up on pursuing it any further.

[Dark7]

Who cares, I'm moving to Germany. It's been the plan since I was 3.

word im getting the eff outta the US as soon as i get my degree.

[CPC]

word im getting the eff outta the US as soon as i get my degree.

Where to Mr. pharmacist / rapper? :)

[gryph89]

It's going down here at least. I've seen it as low as $2.83 USD per gallon.

HAHA!

Still 3.90+ where I am.

[Dark7]

Where to Mr. pharmacist / rapper? :)

Australia or Italy, frist choice is australia but i know its kinda hard to get citizenship, thats why im hoping my pharm degree will be enough :p. If that fails i guess Italy it will be.

[Hatchet Klown]

HAHA!

Still 3.90+ where I am.

Ranges from 3.04-3.45/gallon around me... Diesel is a whole 'nother story though. /cry

[CPC]

Australia or Italy, frist choice is australia but i know its kinda hard to get citizenship, thats why im hoping my pharm degree will be enough :p. If that fails i guess Italy it will be.

Dude let's go to Amsterdam... ;D

Gas around here as dropped to just above $3.50.

[Gypsy]

HAHA!

Still 3.90+ where I am.

It tends to be more in certain areas of the country, it's always been generally cheaper here (Kansas).

[Take a Look]

You do realize leaving America right now is not as easy as it was.

http://www.skaskiw.com/blog/archives/208

[uniquinous]

word im getting the eff outta the US as soon as i get my degree.

that's a smart idea...

pay tons of money for a higher education here. THEN go somewhere where the exact same education would have been free, and your US degree doesn't count...

yeah - I have a feeling you'll be here a while

[Scorpionz]

Australia or Italy, frist choice is australia but i know its kinda hard to get citizenship, thats why im hoping my pharm degree will be enough :p. If that fails i guess Italy it will be.

Get a working visa. You can work and live in the country and whilst doing so can apply for citizenship.

Thats the go right now anyway. >_>

[Scorpionz]

that's a smart idea...

pay tons of money for a higher education here. THEN go somewhere where the exact same education would have been free, and your US degree doesn't count...

yeah - I have a feeling you'll be here a while

free?

right now theres a massive skills shortage, and it's not just the trades that need people, air traffic controllers, doctors, pilots, even our defense force is targeting people my age in the hope that they will join up in 10 years they are that desperate.

if you have a degree in anything where theres a shortage, the doors open for you.

[uniquinous]

I think one of the largest reasons America hasn't quite figured out why universal healthcare would fail is because people only see the benefits to the patients. Looking at the UK and many other areas of the world, med school comes directly after high school (that means doctors by age 22), and it is generally a public institution. In the US, we need at least a bachelor's degree, which means students start med school at the age of 22 at the earliest. However, half of the students are "non-traditional", meaning they take time off between undergrad and med school (producing doctors at a much older average, with tons of debt). I'd guess the average med school tuition in the US is ~$40,000. Average med school tuition in Quebec is <$3000. So, I was wrong - it's not free - it's just minor.

Even then, when you change countries, you need to be certified in the field. You can't just go to Canada with a resume that says you were a pilot or doctor. In the US, foreign doctors need to actually go through a residency program all over again. In Canada, I believe it's some other less-intensive form of re-certification.

[Dark7]

that's a smart idea...

pay tons of money for a higher education here. THEN go somewhere where the exact same education would have been free, and your US degree doesn't count...

yeah - I have a feeling you'll be here a while

Yeah... you really know what you're talking about. Lets see, im in my 2nd year of a 6 year pharmacy program at st. johns university in NY. I'm of hispanic descent and a scored a 2010 on my SAT's which isnt bad (ask veil i actually had to show him a picture of my highschool transcript and SAT scores because he thought i was stupid). So St.Johns is paying for the majority of my tuition and i also recieved a scholorship from the HSO (hispanic support organization) as well as other small scholorships that were given out in my town. So all of that= FREE education + one of my professors that i happened to ask for a job sinse i was top in my freshmen chemistry class(mainly cuz i took AP chem in HS and just didnt transfer the credits becasue i got a 3 on my AP), so i work for his company. Does the company name Thermo ring any bells? Yes i work for Thermos XRF( X-ray Floursecent) standards branch, CalMetrics.

^ so after 4 more years of school and my experience in a lab which has given me a pretty damn good understanding of how XRF works and how to calibrate 5 different x-ray spectrometer models, i have a feeling ill be leaving this country as soon as i get my degree...

Also look up jobs at any local pharmacy (CVS, riteaid, ect); they are ALWAYS looking for a pharmacist, i can practically get a job anywhere i want with a decent starting salery.

/end rant

[Angelic-Hotfox]

You do realize leaving America right now is not as easy as it was.

hop the border and go to mexico, and be an illegal immigrant in mexico lol
I sneak into canada all the time, the border patrol are usually just like ehhh fuck it welcome to canadia

[Kyir]

http://chainsawsuit.com/comics/20081010.gif

Seriously though, you people are over-reacting.

You'll be sorry when you nuke your pitiful excuses for countries off the face of the earth.

[Take a Look]

Who cares, I'm moving to Germany. It's been the plan since I was 3.

You have to live in Germany to see true arrogance and ignorance, they think they are the best at everything. Always sad, rude, and don't get me started on their aggressive driving. It's not like you will have money to afford a car, because it's hard as hell to get a well paid job over there.

You could however earn your mean being a assassin, because the German Legal System sucks ass. A Murderer only gets 8 years for premeditated murder! He killed an devoured his victim who supposedly wanted to die an be eaten! The sick judge said the killer was not evil but just fulfilling a fantasy. That's probably why, they kill so many new born children over there, they kill them all day long.


Germany sucks, I been there, I seen the way the play over there - It sucks.

[R G]

hop the border and go to mexico, and be an illegal immigrant in mexico lol
I sneak into canada all the time, the border patrol are usually just like ehhh fuck it welcome to canadia


Yea but you are an angelic-hotfox....Of course they welcome you to Canada....ever seen the average woman in Canada....not angelic and not hotfoxes? :p

[R G]

Got to be honest man, economically I definately see more eye to eye with McCain. I lean democratic heavily on social issues, which thus far has made me vote democratic. Due to my disposition, gay marriage is a strong issue. Seperation of church and state (or the lack thereof) is important. ID has no place in modern education, period.

I totally understand what you are saying on the social issues. I too am not opposed to gay marriage, I just feel that it is more of a state issue rather than a social issue as defined by the Constitution. I also feel that the separation of church and state is important too. Ironically we don't disagree much on the things you have mentioned.

Here's my problem though....and it's is one of the reasons that I have Jehuty's statement in my siggy as it exemplifys how ignorant our nation has become of the things that have happened in the past. Jehuty states "I would rather live in a demolished state than one with terrible laws and policies".....At first it sounds as though as he is standing up to the evils of this world, but if you examine history it doesn't take too long to realize that some of the most terrible laws and policies were carried out when a state was "demolished".

Take Germany before Hitler took rule of office. Their economy was horrible. Hitler spoke out against the Jewish people and even homosexuals and rallied the people around him. He quickly became a dictator over the next few years and I think you know the rest.

Point is a demolished state has enabled some of the most horrific of atrocities to occur as the populous will turn it's eyes as long as it feels that things are "changing" for the better.

[Everlaster]

Take Germany before Hitler took rule of office. Their economy was horrible. Hitler spoke out against the Jewish people and even homosexuals and rallied the people around him. He quickly became a dictator over the next few years and I think you know the rest.

Are you actually comparing an economy from 50+ years ago to now?

Holy shit.

[Jeffery]

I totally understand what you are saying on the social issues. I too am not opposed to gay marriage, I just feel that it is more of a state issue rather than a social issue as defined by the Constitution. I also feel that the separation of church and state is important too. Ironically we don't disagree much on the things you have mentioned.

Here's my problem though....and it's is one of the reasons that I have Jehuty's statement in my siggy as it exemplifys how ignorant our nation has become of the things that have happened in the past. Jehuty states "I would rather live in a demolished state than one with terrible laws and policies".....At first it sounds as though as he is standing up to the evils of this world, but if you examine history it doesn't take too long to realize that some of the most terrible laws and policies were carried out when a state was "demolished".

Take Germany before Hitler took rule of office. Their economy was horrible. Hitler spoke out against the Jewish people and even homosexuals and rallied the people around him. He quickly became a dictator over the next few years and I think you know the rest.

Point is a demolished state has enabled some of the most horrific of atrocities to occur as the populous will turn it's eyes as long as it feels that things are "changing" for the better.
Actually, Hitlers agenda against the jews and other we not what he rose to power on. That aspect came in later, after he had already siezed power. The main of his earlier standings were based on the economic rebuilding and social rebirth of Germany as a powerful country.

It was after he had started these two things off to a great start that his darker aspects emerged.

[Dark7]

Another thing that you all seem to have forgotten is the burning of the riachstag(sp?). If im not mistaken didnt hitler blame it on terrorists? sound familiar?

[Kyir]

Another thing that you all seem to have forgotten is the burning of the riachstag(sp?). If im not mistaken didnt hitler blame it on terrorists? sound familiar?

Because Hitler analogies are always relevent.

[R G]

Are you actually comparing an economy from 50+ years ago to now?

Holy shit.

:huh:
I know you might not believe this, but you can actually learn from mistakes of the past....even if they did happen over 50 years ago.


You are right Jeffery....The main of his earlier standings were based on the economic rebuilding and social rebirth of Germany as a powerful country....That is why a society as a whole progresses more from being a strong economically and it falls back in social issues if it were "demolished".

Germany had an unemployment rate of over 30%. Hitler blamed alot of the economic issues on one sect of people(the Jewish) as they had the majority of the money(sound familiar?).....he later built on that with working on a superior race of people.

[Scorpionz]

I think one of the largest reasons America hasn't quite figured out why universal healthcare would fail is because people only see the benefits to the patients. Looking at the UK and many other areas of the world, med school comes directly after high school (that means doctors by age 22), and it is generally a public institution. In the US, we need at least a bachelor's degree, which means students start med school at the age of 22 at the earliest. However, half of the students are "non-traditional", meaning they take time off between undergrad and med school (producing doctors at a much older average, with tons of debt). I'd guess the average med school tuition in the US is ~$40,000. Average med school tuition in Quebec is <$3000. So, I was wrong - it's not free - it's just minor.

Even then, when you change countries, you need to be certified in the field. You can't just go to Canada with a resume that says you were a pilot or doctor. In the US, foreign doctors need to actually go through a residency program all over again. In Canada, I believe it's some other less-intensive form of re-certification.

You're right. I was being narrow minded thinking about the conditions of Australia.

[Kyir]

:huh:
I know you might not believe this, but you can actually learn from mistakes of the past....

Which is why you want Bush2.0?

[R G]

Which is why you want Bush2.0?

Bush2.0 is what we have now...since Bush1.0 came before Clinton....I was thinking more on the lines of Barr...but that isn't gonna happen or McCain.

[Hatchet Klown]

Vote for Obama... he's not George W Bush!

His platform is genious, really. Takes all the ignorant youth and plays on the media's anti-Bush sentiment. Too bad it's not strong enough of an approach and he has to rely on voter fraud in some key battleground states.

[uniquinous]

Yeah... you really know what you're talking about. Lets see, im in my 2nd year of a 6 year pharmacy program at st. johns university in NY. I'm of hispanic descent and a scored a 2010 on my SAT's which isnt bad (ask veil i actually had to show him a picture of my highschool transcript and SAT scores because he thought i was stupid). That's great. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with international medical or pharm licensing.

So St.Johns is paying for the majority of my tuition and i also recieved a scholorship from the HSO (hispanic support organization) as well as other small scholorships that were given out in my town. So all of that= FREE educationNo no. That means you have no debt. That doesn't mean free education. That means other people are paying for your education. "Scholarship" is a fancy word for "I'm giving you money", but there's still money paying for your education. Furthermore, while your situation is wonderful, that's simply not the case for most pharmD's.

^ so after 4 more years of school and my experience in a lab which has given me a pretty damn good understanding of how XRF works and how to calibrate 5 different x-ray spectrometer models, i have a feeling ill be leaving this country as soon as i get my degree... And you can go to any country you want and calibrate x ray spectrometers all day long. But you can NOT just go somewhere and start doling out drugs, REGARDLESS of your previous stats. You simply won't have a license in Canada, and its governed at the provincial level. That's not saying you can't get one. My point was simply that you can't just get a degree in America, go to another country, and think your degree means anything. It doesn't. You need to then follow the rules and regulations of that country, whether its simply taking an exam, or further education.

In other words, it would have been smarter for you to get your PharmD in canada if that's where you want to end up.

Also look up jobs at any local pharmacy (CVS, riteaid, ect); they are ALWAYS looking for a pharmacist, i can practically get a job anywhere i want with a decent starting salery.Yes yes, that's nice dear. But those are American businesses. It shows why it would be a good idea for you to stay here. It doesn't show why it's beneficial for you to go to Canada, and it's clear you haven't really done your homework on the licensing over there...

You're right. I was being narrow minded thinking about the conditions of Australia.erm.... :huh: ?

[R G]

Yes yes, that's nice dear. But those are American businesses. It shows why it would be a good idea for you to stay here. It doesn't show why it's beneficial for you to go to Canada, and it's clear you haven't really done your homework on the licensing over there...



Yea but it's cool to be anti-American and talk sheot about moving to another country.

[Gypsy]

Yea but it's cool to be anti-American and talk sheot about moving to another country.

Too true. :/

I love America sssssh.

[Scorpionz]

erm.... :huh: ?

<3

[Dark7]

That's great. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with international medical or pharm licensing.

No no. That means you have no debt. That doesn't mean free education. That means other people are paying for your education. "Scholarship" is a fancy word for "I'm giving you money", but there's still money paying for your education. Furthermore, while your situation is wonderful, that's simply not the case for most pharmD's.

And you can go to any country you want and calibrate x ray spectrometers all day long. But you can NOT just go somewhere and start doling out drugs, REGARDLESS of your previous stats. You simply won't have a license in Canada, and its governed at the provincial level. That's not saying you can't get one. My point was simply that you can't just get a degree in America, go to another country, and think your degree means anything. It doesn't. You need to then follow the rules and regulations of that country, whether its simply taking an exam, or further education.

In other words, it would have been smarter for you to get your PharmD in canada if that's where you want to end up.

Yes yes, that's nice dear. But those are American businesses. It shows why it would be a good idea for you to stay here. It doesn't show why it's beneficial for you to go to Canada, and it's clear you haven't really done your homework on the licensing over there...

erm.... :huh: ?

When did canada come from? I'm not talking about moving to canada at all.

[R G]

Uniq was just using Canada as an example since you didn't specify where you wanted to move.

So what country you thinking about moving too? I am sure we will be happy to point out the flaws in that too. :)

[gryph89]

Uniq was just using Canada as an example since you didn't specify where you wanted to move.

So what country you thinking about moving too? I am sure we will be happy to point out the flaws in that too. :)

I'm moving to Zimbabwe. Its got nice animals there.

[R G]

I'm moving to Zimbabwe. Its got nice animals there.

I bet if you run up on a lion that hasn't ate in several weeks and starts to rip your organs from your abdomin that you would not think it has nice animals.:p

Hope that works out for ya.

[gryph89]

I bet if you run up on a lion that hasn't ate in several weeks and starts to rip your organs from your abdomin that you would not think it has nice animals.:p

Hope that works out for ya.

That's a graphic counterattack for my joke...Now I feel sad.