Why Rutgers Can Kiss My Butt

[mushroom_girl]

I've been looking into a program that Jersey offers, called NJStars. If you're in the top 20% of your high school senior class, you'll get a free ride to a community college and then if you maintain a 3.0 GPA in college, you get a free ride to any state school. Sounds awesome, right?

I want to major in Graphic Design, and Rutgers, being a state college and thus meaning I can go for free, has an outstanding GD program. Unfortunately, absolutely NONE of my community college credits will transfer except for the core credits, thus making it impossible for me to go there.

Sure, I could get my Associates in something else, but I won't have taken the required classes for me to build up a strong portfolio. Not to mention that Mason Groves School of the Arts (AKA, snobby artsy Rutgers) only accepts 20 people per year into the program. Basically, they can't deny applications from anyone, but they can make it damn near impossible to get in.

I have other options, like Stockton or MSU...but I thought Rutgers would be fantastic. Now, they can kiss my butt.


Anyone else having/have had nasty college application experiences? :\

[Unforgottner]

Rutgers is the birthplace of college football.

[Memory of Light]

i'm having a nasty college experience...
it's called being forced to apply to colleges by busybody teachers and counselors.
honestly, how many times do i have to call you a fucktard before you stop trying to help me.

the only benefit is that i have a 97% in latin cause my "project" for this grading period was to apply to mizzou and everyone else had shitty artsy ones so i have the highest grade in a class where i curse out the teacher walk out in the middle of class to buy soda or punish the toilet, and where i do nothing but troll people trying to learn.

but seriously ive said i wanted to be homeless since sophomore year and they just keep harassing me.

[The AIDS Virus]

Bwahahaha, I finished this bull last year!!

[ArcPaladinZero]

Just get your AA in general studies and it should transfer. That's what I did. But then again, I've changed my major 3 times. By the time I'm done I'll have an AA, AS, BS, and MS... all while taking an insane amount of time doing so, but no student loans, paying my way. I had Georgia HOPE scholarship my freshman year... back in '04. Ha.

[xEaglex]

I GO TO RUTGERS OH MY GOD LETS MEET UP OH MY GOD PHARMACY FTW


Anyway, could you just go here for GD but simply have to re-take the credits over? I know that would suck, but would it be free for you? If so, you might as well...btw what community college do you go to?

[mantis33]

Full ride for being in the top 20% is quite the deal considering top 20 is not hard at all. The drawback is you have to go to a community college at first, but still. So the problem is your credits from the community college won't carry over meaning you'll have to start school basically fresh when you go to Rutgers or that they won't allow you to go to Rutgers for free?

i'm having a nasty college experience...
it's called being forced to apply to colleges by busybody teachers and counselors.
honestly, how many times do i have to call you a fucktard before you stop trying to help me.

the only benefit is that i have a 97% in latin cause my "project" for this grading period was to apply to mizzou and everyone else had shitty artsy ones so i have the highest grade in a class where i curse out the teacher walk out in the middle of class to buy soda or punish the toilet, and where i do nothing but troll people trying to learn.

but seriously ive said i wanted to be homeless since sophomore year and they just keep harassing me.

Just ignore them. I only applied at Ohio State. Why waste time applying other places and filling out all kinds of crap if you know where you wanna go?

[Veilmenacex]

I hate college hope you have fun in it Liz and get laid :p

[Medemia]

I hear Rutgers is full of nappy-headed hoes anyway. You wouldn't want to go there.

:D

[***Duo***]

Arizona State accepts anyone with a pencil and pockets to hold tuition costs.

Sorry, can't say I've had the same problems.


-Duo

[uniquinous]

First (and I realize this is gonna sound crazy), money is meaningless in your college education. If you get into an amazing program and you need to pay $30,000/year for it, do it.

Second: I'm not a fan of montclair. Most of my friends who went there came out with a degree, but no drive or many skills to do much with it.

Stockton is far away (I spent a few summers there in high school), but it has a great (green) campus.

Rutgers is.... rutgers. The benefit, IMO, of stockton or Rutgers, is that even if you don't get into the snobby program, they will both be able to offer you classes in the area you want, and help push you to your goals.

[ArcPaladinZero]

First (and I realize this is gonna sound crazy), money is meaningless in your college education. If you get into an amazing program and you need to pay $30,000/year for it, do it.



This is becoming less and less true. Tuition costs have increase at a more drastic rate than anything else over the last 30 years, including the cost of living, health care, and the price of gas.

Here's just a small article. (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0327/039.html)

[iceman2001]

I've been looking into a program that Jersey offers, called NJStars. If you're in the top 20% of your high school senior class, you'll get a free ride to a community college and then if you maintain a 3.0 GPA in college, you get a free ride to any state school. Sounds awesome, right?

I want to major in Graphic Design, and Rutgers, being a state college and thus meaning I can go for free, has an outstanding GD program. Unfortunately, absolutely NONE of my community college credits will transfer except for the core credits, thus making it impossible for me to go there.

Sure, I could get my Associates in something else, but I won't have taken the required classes for me to build up a strong portfolio. Not to mention that Mason Groves School of the Arts (AKA, snobby artsy Rutgers) only accepts 20 people per year into the program. Basically, they can't deny applications from anyone, but they can make it damn near impossible to get in.

I have other options, like Stockton or MSU...but I thought Rutgers would be fantastic. Now, they can kiss my butt.


Anyone else having/have had nasty college application experiences? :\

I'm going to have to check this out for ya....I know at TCNJ we have a ton of NJ stars people come over, and I'm pretty sure they can get non-core classes transferred over...I'm surprised it's different at Rutgers

[uniquinous]

This is becoming less and less true. Tuition costs have increase at a more drastic rate than anything else over the last 30 years, including the cost of living, health care, and the price of gas.

Here's just a small article. (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0327/039.html)

and I would still claim its true, despite rising costs.

[iceman2001]

and I would still claim its true, despite rising costs.

I'd hope it's still true, as I fully plan on spending 400k+ on education.

[Match Strike]

Uniquinous, no offense but I think your advice is terrible. There is life after college. Don't let massive debt inhibit your ability to live it.

[The AIDS Virus]

I'd hope it's still true, as I fully plan on spending 400k+ on education.

Ditto

[ArcPaladinZero]

There's plenty of people coming to the states that are just as if not more qualified with degrees that are working for less than the average. Six figure incomes don't open up over night because you have this degree and you went to that college.

The real world doesn't always operate like that. How quick do you think you can A: get a job right out of college and B: get to that big demanding six figure paycheck to pay back the interest drawing student loans?

Don't get me wrong, I'm on track to get my masters but forking out an insane amount of money for the same degree only really seems to matter in rare cases.

How many people here have been asked for their GPA for a job? There's a lot of unimportant things in life, be smart and figure out what those things are. We as humans never stop learning.

Most importantly, you've got to have fun. What's the point of getting into a career if you're just doing it solely for the money and then trying to figure out how to pay back that 400k after you've spent 8 years in books. Sometimes, the best thing to do is slow down and enjoy life for what it is.

[Realist]

I'd hope it's still true, as I fully plan on spending 400k+ on education.

That makes me feel a lot better.

[ArcPaladinZero]

That makes me feel a lot better.

Pft, you're just jealous he's not spending it on you. ;)

[uniquinous]

Uniquinous, no offense but I think your advice is terrible. There is life after college. Don't let massive debt inhibit your ability to live it.Of course there is life after college. Did you think I'd advise people drop that kind of money to improve the quality of life and opportunities during college?

I know two friends who picked two completely different paths after college. One wanted to "live life", and is now working as a bartender. The other also wanted to "live life" and is getting a PhD. Presumably, the bartender has money now to "live life", and the PhD will have *more* money later to live life. Who do you think will have better benefits along the way and retirement package at the end of the career? It comes down to opinion as to what "live life" means for you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on track to get my masters but forking out an insane amount of money for the same degree only really seems to matter in rare cases.Something else I disagree with. A *lot* of degrees are all the same. If you go to StateU on the east coast vs StateU on the west, reputation doesn't much matter. But if you go to Stanford for computer science, that degree is leaps and bounds above something you're gonna get from Gibbs or even StateU, and employers know that. All degrees are not created equal, and the experiences and networking connections each school provides you are not the same.

That is the very reason I encourage people to aim higher at all times - there's no reason to be frugal with your education, because you're gonna get what you pay for.

[ArcPaladinZero]

But if you go to Stanford for computer science, that degree is leaps and bounds above something you're gonna get from Gibbs or even StateU, and employers know that. All degrees are not created equal, and the experiences and networking connections each school provides you are not the same.

That is the very reason I encourage people to aim higher at all times - there's no reason to be frugal with your education, because you're gonna get what you pay for.

Aiming higher isn't always represented by spending the most money, I'm speaking on not only education but many more things in life. Here's a small personal example. I'm looking to buy a house and I've found one for about 130k, I could buy it and the guy next door that bought a similar house paid 165k a year ago. Nearly the same thing but is his better because he spent more money than I will?

More food for thought. (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/college/?article=ivyleagueworthit)

Employers also know, in many cases, it's who you know and what you've done just as much as where you went. By this I simply mean, in the real world, knowing someone to get a job does happen. Your profession history does play a part. Finally, yes I will agree some do take into consideration where your education came from, but I wouldn't weigh it any heavier than those other factors.

All in all, we do disagree on some issues but at least we agree on the importance of secondary/higher education; but I certainly don't want to discredit those that have chose to do without more than a high school degree or even less.

The point I'm trying to make is not everything is calculated in monetary value. Not everything is about making more money means living better.

[Match Strike]

[QUOTE=uniquinous;1522348]Uniquinous, let me change my approach a little. I don't think there is very much difference between the actual quality of undergraduate education in most places. We're not talking about going to school, versus not going, we're taking about diferent "tiers" of higher education, prestige of the schol, etc. Yes, there is variance, but is that difference worth an extra 100k in the form of debt? That's a personal choice, for sure, but I see too many people that are limiting their options once they graduate by becoming loaded with too much debt. I'l hardly be debt fre myself...

[The AIDS Virus]

Something else I disagree with. A *lot* of degrees are all the same. If you go to StateU on the east coast vs StateU on the west, reputation doesn't much matter. But if you go to Stanford for computer science, that degree is leaps and bounds above something you're gonna get from Gibbs or even StateU, and employers know that. All degrees are not created equal, and the experiences and networking connections each school provides you are not the same.

That is the very reason I encourage people to aim higher at all times - there's no reason to be frugal with your education, because you're gonna get what you pay for.

I sort of agree with this. If you're planning on Grad School, pick the top programs, otherwise, take a degree where you can get it for less money. That's in general of course. My decision was based on whether or not I wanted to live at home, which I didn't... at all.

[ArcPaladinZero]

This is just me personally, not to stray too far from the topic. But this world we live in, as far as money goes, as a young person the most important thing you can start doing is building up your credit. The difference between a score of 650 and 750 can make a huge difference. Just some quick math, a 200k house, one person gets one rate and another person gets a rate 1% higher. That's a difference of over 30k by the end of a 30 year mortgage. Crazy how it can add up.

[*Sanosuke*]

Rutgers Suck. Go Tar Heels.

[uniquinous]

Aiming higher isn't always represented by spending the most moneyVery truth. But my original advice was to aim higher and not worry about the pricetag. In fact, if you get up to Harvard level, you pay very little (I'm guessing that's what your article said, but I couldn't see it without some login). BUT, I spose what I was more specifically getting at is that community college costs little, tiered schools cost more, but you get more from them, etc. Or, better put: "it's better to sink the monkey into a better education, than take a free ride with a crappier education".

Employers also know, in many cases, it's who you know and what you've done just as much as where you went. By this I simply mean, in the real world, knowing someone to get a job does happen. Your profession history does play a part. Finally, yes I will agree some do take into consideration where your education came from, but I wouldn't weigh it any heavier than those other factors.And how do you think people "know" other people? There's a reason why the top tier schools in this country all have extensive alumni networks and career offices that match students to those alumni. Better schools tend to also have better resources, and provide better training in advanced areas.

So say you were an employer, and had to pick:
Candidate A: Graduated top of their class from underfunded state school. Fresh out of college, no experience, but good recommendations. Found the job through the company's website careers posting.

Candidate B: Graduated top of their class from well known privately funded institution with a huge endowment. Fresh out of college, but experiences within education include advanced equipment use. Got in contact with the company through the vice president, who also went to that school.

The point I'm trying to make is not everything is calculated in monetary value. Not everything is about making more money means living better.Name one thing that would improve your quality of life, besides personal relationships, that doesn't have a monetary value. You want a nicer house? Nicer food? Nicer items? They all have a pricetag. That's not to say you can't be happy at any salary - it just means you shouldn't exactly phrase it the way you did...

I see too many people that are limiting their options once they graduate by becoming loaded with too much debt. I'l hardly be debt fre myself...How does college debt limit their options? :huh:

this world we live in, as far as money goes, as a young person the most important thing you can start doing is building up your credit. The difference between a score of 650 and 750 can make a huge difference. That's true. Fortunately, college debt doesn't play much into that. Being in debt doesn't mean you have poor credit. The inability to pay off your debt on time is what lowers your credit score. I have a good share of college debt, and my credit score is pretty high.

The loans you acquire in college are unlike any other you will ever have in your life. They have (relatively) low, often times stable, interest rates. You don't even need to pay them back immediately, and many of them (federally subsidized) don't even gain interest while you're in school.

[mushroom_girl]

Anyway, could you just go here for GD but simply have to re-take the credits over? I know that would suck, but would it be free for you? If so, you might as well...btw what community college do you go to?
NJStars only covers a certain amount of credits per semester. I might as well not even go through NJStars if I have to take the classes all over again

I hear Rutgers is full of nappy-headed hoes anyway. You wouldn't want to go there.

:D
ZING!

First (and I realize this is gonna sound crazy), money is meaningless in your college education. If you get into an amazing program and you need to pay $30,000/year for it, do it.

Second: I'm not a fan of montclair. Most of my friends who went there came out with a degree, but no drive or many skills to do much with it.

Stockton is far away (I spent a few summers there in high school), but it has a great (green) campus.

Rutgers is.... rutgers. The benefit, IMO, of stockton or Rutgers, is that even if you don't get into the snobby program, they will both be able to offer you classes in the area you want, and help push you to your goals.
Rutgers is 6th in the northeast for a masters degree, and somewhere in the top 100 schools in the US. That's pretty good in my book. Stockton is also in the top x-amount of colleges too.

And Stockton is about 35-40 minutes away from where I live. It's a beautiful campus, and it's not that bad of a drive.

If I got a scholarship somewhere, I would definitely take it. But money is a factor for me. In the long run, I figure that if I do amazing in a state college vs someone who did average at Stanford or something, I'd be on the same playing field. Plus, my masters is what's really going to matter, so I'd rather put all of the money into my masters degree guaranteeing that I can go to NYU or UArts.

That is the very reason I encourage people to aim higher at all times - there's no reason to be frugal with your education, because you're gonna get what you pay for.
That's not true. Money is a big deal for me and my family, and I'd rather NOT be $400k in debt at some point in my life. Plus, if I can get my bachelors for free...why shouldn't I? When you get your masters degree, does anyone care where you went to college before that?

[uniquinous]

And Stockton is about 35-40 minutes away from where I live. It's a beautiful campus, and it's not that bad of a drive. I didn't think you were that far south - when did you move? :huh: cuz essex county to stockton is like 2 hours for me.

If I got a scholarship somewhere, I would definitely take it. But money is a factor for me. In the long run, I figure that if I do amazing in a state college vs someone who did average at Stanford or something, I'd be on the same playing field. Plus, my masters is what's really going to matter, so I'd rather put all of the money into my masters degree guaranteeing that I can go to NYU or UArts.Perhaps the better question is: is any employer going to ask your class rank at either StateU or Stanford? Besides, the better schools tend to have the better financial aid packages because they have bigger endowments.

That's not true. Money is a big deal for me and my family, and I'd rather NOT be $400k in debt at some point in my life. Plus, if I can get my bachelors for free...why shouldn't I? When you get your masters degree, does anyone care where you went to college before that?money isn't a deal for you when you can take student loans. You can say you don't want debt later, that's fine, but you can't say it has anything to do with your current financial situation. Also (and this is just my personal experience), most people tend to ask where I went to undergrad. No one asks about my masters degree. Resumes, as you can imagine, are different, as both will be listed, and your final degree, as you mentioned, is really what matters. Just don't think you can hit the grad jackpot by acing basketweaving in college. Then again, don't make my mistake and over-extend yourself :p

[ArcPaladinZero]

So say you were an employer, and had to pick:

Candidate A: Graduated top of their class from underfunded state school. Fresh out of college, no experience, but good recommendations. Found the job through the company's website careers posting.

Candidate B: Graduated top of their class from well known privately funded institution with a huge endowment. Fresh out of college, but experiences within education include advanced equipment use. Got in contact with the company through the vice president, who also went to that school.


Not at all where I was going but I do fully understand where you're coming from with this. All I'm saying is there is always different scenarios like such that happen and some which don't even involve education.

More like...

A: Graduated with a BS from Local College but happens to be the solicitor's nephew.

B: Graduated with a BS from Big Nice College but is equal in every other way as A with the exception of not being related to the county solicitor.

As an employer and knowing you work closely with the courts...

And the scenario could change over and over ect. Don't get me wrong though, I'm certainly not disagreeing with your point.


Name one thing that would improve your quality of life, besides personal relationships, that doesn't have a monetary value. You want a nicer house? Nicer food? Nicer items? They all have a pricetag. That's not to say you can't be happy at any salary - it just means you shouldn't exactly phrase it the way you did...


And we're back. Glad to read a little bit more in depth about all this from you. Making a bit more sense where you're coming from now.

I'll rephrase it, just for you. ;)

Granted all things do have pricetags in life, a better way to explain it from my view is not everyone views x as nicer than y and cost isn't always a factor, by cost I'm referring to money in this case. It's human nature to always want more, right? At what cost do we reach our ultimate satisfaction without becoming overly glutenous? At what point do we need to be content and remove ourselves from worldly things? (I feel like I might be getting to hippieish there. Ha.)


The loans you acquire in college are unlike any other you will ever have in your life. They have (relatively) low, often times stable, interest rates. You don't even need to pay them back immediately, and many of them (federally subsidized) don't even gain interest while you're in school.

Usually the loan starts to accumulate interest 2 months after you graduate I believe, it's actually a pretty good tax write-off if you have a federal loan. Better hope you got that job lined up quickly! On a side note, some of the higher accredited tech colleges actually have a pretty high job placement rate. But besides that, it's hard for anyone to get work with the current economy... better get all the education you can kids! We're the future and all that nonsense.

[Match Strike]

How does college debt limit their options? :huh:

Seriously? How doesn't being straddled with debt limit what you can do? Hard to go travel for a year if it's necessary to be working full time just to pay off loans.

Look, obviously going into debt for the right reasons can be a good choice. But most kids just don't think about how it's going to impact their lives, and it will have an impact: an enormous one! I don't even see how you can argue with this point.

[Scorpionz]

Doesn't it take forever to pay it back off?

[uniquinous]

All I'm saying is there is always different scenarios like such that happen and some which don't even involve education.That's true and you're right with the scenario you gave. However, my claim is that "better" school candidate is much more likely to have the upper hand. Scout hits pyro front shot. Pyro very often comes out on top of the encounter (your example). It's something we see all the time. However, more often than not, he gets pwnzed by the scout (my point).

Granted all things do have pricetags in life, a better way to explain it from my view is not everyone views x as nicer than y and cost isn't always a factor, by cost I'm referring to money in this case. It's human nature to always want more, right? At what cost do we reach our ultimate satisfaction without becoming overly glutenous? At what point do we need to be content and remove ourselves from worldly things? (I feel like I might be getting to hippieish there. Ha.)HIPPY! No I agree. You're absolutely right, and people do need to learn how to be happy with where they end up (with the one exception of living in a poorer neighborhood, where studies have shown health to be mysteriously worse than mid/upper class areas).

Seriously? How doesn't being straddled with debt limit what you can do? Hard to go travel for a year if it's necessary to be working full time just to pay off loans.Wait so you're saying... that kids can't take a year of vacationing on their parents money if they suddenly go from no money to academic debt?! Seriously? First off, I would argue that they shouldn't be doing that in either situation. Secondly, people do it anyway! I know a ton who got out of college with just as much debt as the next college grad, and went around Europe for a while.

You're going to have to give me some better limitation of a better formal education than "can't go on vacation for a year". Cuz, in the real world, no one's really gonna be fighting for that cause...

If you want to talk with me about being financially responsible, you can't use an example that very clearly blows a year of money selfishly with zero long term benefits. And I think it's that mindset that *really* screws people up financially, much more than responsibly taking on college debt.

[Lord Sesshomaru]

I've been looking into a program that Jersey offers, called NJStars. If you're in the top 20% of your high school senior class, you'll get a free ride to a community college and then if you maintain a 3.0 GPA in college, you get a free ride to any state school. Sounds awesome, right?

I want to major in Graphic Design, and Rutgers, being a state college and thus meaning I can go for free, has an outstanding GD program. Unfortunately, absolutely NONE of my community college credits will transfer except for the core credits, thus making it impossible for me to go there.

Sure, I could get my Associates in something else, but I won't have taken the required classes for me to build up a strong portfolio. Not to mention that Mason Groves School of the Arts (AKA, snobby artsy Rutgers) only accepts 20 people per year into the program. Basically, they can't deny applications from anyone, but they can make it damn near impossible to get in.

I have other options, like Stockton or MSU...but I thought Rutgers would be fantastic. Now, they can kiss my butt.


Anyone else having/have had nasty college application experiences? :\

MSU?
No

U of M
Yes :)

[High Heat]

Why Rutgers Can Kiss My Butt

I'm Jim Rutgers, and I approve this message.

[mushroom_girl]

I dunno...I just don't see the point in getting a degree from a $40,000 a year school for the same degree from a school I can go to for free. These colleges aren't like HoodU or something, they're ranked and overall good colleges.

Plus, I just don't have the skills to make a good portfolio to get into expensive schools for my planned major. I need to learn how to make a good portfolio before I can consider a school like that, and by doing so in the next four years I'll be preparing myself for my Masters degree and a job.

But Rutgers and their snooty selves can still kiss my butt.
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Y'know what else can kiss my butt?
National Honors Society.

The ranked number one kid in my class cannot get accepted because he couldn't get this woman who moved away to send a recommendation letter.
Hello?!
Obviously this kid works his butt off to get where he is, and he is in AP classes out the wazoo and taking college classes. So what else is there to prove?

Oh right, because the point of NHS is to make sure that we do community service. So if someone wants to participate in doing community service, yet needs ways to do so...it doesn't matter. You need to have done community service already to participate in community service through this club. Jerks.

So I was going to apply this year, but this damned drama teacher I had all of my community service with and the majority of my school activities with WOULD NOT write me a letter. Simply because she hates me.
That's professional.

I probably wouldn't have gotten in anyway, simply because I don't have over 100 hours of community service (Seriously, not even kidding.)

It would make sense for a community service group to want kids to join who have the right attitude to participate in more community service. I have the grades, the rank, and the attitude...but of course that's just not good enough.

[iceman2001]

I dunno...I just don't see the point in getting a degree from a $40,000 a year school for the same degree from a school I can go to for free. These colleges aren't like HoodU or something, they're ranked and overall good colleges.

Plus, I just don't have the skills to make a good portfolio to get into expensive schools for my planned major. I need to learn how to make a good portfolio before I can consider a school like that, and by doing so in the next four years I'll be preparing myself for my Masters degree and a job.

But Rutgers and their snooty selves can still kiss my butt.
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Y'know what else can kiss my butt?
National Honors Society.

The ranked number one kid in my class cannot get accepted because he couldn't get this woman who moved away to send a recommendation letter.
Hello?!
Obviously this kid works his butt off to get where he is, and he is in AP classes out the wazoo and taking college classes. So what else is there to prove?

Oh right, because the point of NHS is to make sure that we do community service. So if someone wants to participate in doing community service, yet needs ways to do so...it doesn't matter. You need to have done community service already to participate in community service through this club. Jerks.

So I was going to apply this year, but this damned drama teacher I had all of my community service with and the majority of my school activities with WOULD NOT write me a letter. Simply because she hates me.
That's professional.

I probably wouldn't have gotten in anyway, simply because I don't have over 100 hours of community service (Seriously, not even kidding.)

It would make sense for a community service group to want kids to join who have the right attitude to participate in more community service. I have the grades, the rank, and the attitude...but of course that's just not good enough.

I'lll grant you NHS is a terrible joke. But you gotta play their game sometimes to get ahead. My education in brief:

In my high school, I decided to excessively pad my resume by running for NHS vice president. In the elections, 6 female candidates were running, and just me as the only guy. (all the guys, including me, perceived NHS to be a bullshit resume padder. Six girls got up, and gave 15 minute speeches each. I got up for 45 seconds, and and promised to create an all night bombardment game for community service, and hinted at a keg party at the end of the year. I win with a landslide, getting pretty much every guy's vote and not a single girls. I did not even attempt to create all night bombardment, the school wouldn't come close to approving it anyway. I didn't ever show up for the "executive meetings" and didn't post more than 15 hours of community service.

Somehow colleges took this and being a "three-sport captain" (running, running, and running) as leadership. Add that with the SATs, times on the track, and GPA....hook line and sinker.

Now I'm in college. When I transferred schools, the assholes wouldn't take half my credits, but did wipe my GPA. Now I get to retake the same classes at a significantly easier school with a fresh GPA. Thanks to this moronic twist, I currently have a nonweighted 4.0 average in a school which an A+ doesn't exist. After this, either law or biz school, hell maybe both.

[xEaglex]

I'm at Rutgers.....come to meeeeeeeeee.


Do you go to Mercer CC by any chance?

[uniquinous]

Y'know what else can kiss my butt?
National Honors Society.
that's really odd. In my HS, everyone who was in any AP class kinda just gotta in by default somehow. I was involved in community service (always have been), but I don't remember the 100 hour thing being in existence back then. weird. it's still just as big a joke after getting into college as before, btw

[mushroom_girl]

Yeah, it's not that big of a deal but they should be encouraging people to join, not being elitist snobs.

And no, I'd be going to Ocean CC.

[Memory of Light]

that's really odd. In my HS, everyone who was in any AP class kinda just gotta in by default somehow. I was involved in community service (always have been), but I don't remember the 100 hour thing being in existence back then. weird. it's still just as big a joke after getting into college as before, btw

you have a weird school then. i had all honors and started junior year with 5 AP periods. i only managed to pass 2.5 semesters outta 10 though. but even people with good grades couldn't get in.

actually your school sounds like my scout troop where everyone gets in the order of the arrow even though like 1/20 deserve it.

[uniquinous]

actually your school sounds like my scout troop where everyone gets in the order of the arrow even though like 1/20 deserve it.:confused: i have no clue what that is but it sounds about right. so i agree. :)

[mushroom_girl]

So I walk in to the mall, and I am horrified.

A week before Halloween and there is garland, reindeer, and christmas music EVERYWHERE. Its October and they're already ramming Christmas down my throat!!! Nothing gets me angry like Christmas in October, except for "Christmas in July."

It's BS. I like my Christmas in December, thank you very much. And so does Jesus. I think that if someone celebrated my birthday two months early and kept on celebrating until the actual day, I'd probably strangle them with Christmas lights.

The Christmas bug is spreading too, because now even Best Buy and PetSmart are in on the Christmas-more-than-a-month-early deal. Even Walgreens is having "Bring your kid and pet in for a picture with santa tomorrow!"
Enough. Christmas isn't even here yet and I'm sick of it.

[Scorpionz]

Santa was having pictures taken Nov. 1st here.

Maybe he wanted December off? >_>

[TheBlazedAce]

First: Can the person who posted above me be banned (Edit: this was meant to the person who is no longer above me)? This is an honest request. It's not the only thread he posted something like that, check out the president of the united states thread, page 189 (the newest one atm).

Now, NHS, is a complete joke, before, after, in between, and every moment. Don't waste your breath worrying about it. It only matters to the people in it, and even they realize how little it is worth soon enough.

In college your GPA, your connections, and your work stands out a lot more than anything else. If you have made the right connections, you can get your entire graduate school fully paid for... and then graduate with the same debt (roughly) as someone straight out of an undergrad career.

I'm sorry, but I'm easily siding with Uniq on this entire discussion. People who think money should heavily influence your decision on choosing a school simply don't understand how financial aid and student loans work in this country. If your parents can't afford to pay you through your college career you'll be getting a ridiculous amount of financial aid, need (not grade-based) or scholarly based.

Not to mention student loans, as uniq already pointed out, are deferred till after you graduate (6 months afterwards at least, so you can find a job). I don't think you guys understand this simple concept: banks want you to pay them back. They would rather give you more time, take more interest, and then take more money after you can pay them back. They also realize how expensive colleges have become. But they also know on average people graduating from college have a higher chance of finding a job and paying back their loans than a random stranger.

And I'm not even talking about federal loans with fixed rates.

-blazed

[Hatchet Klown]

Ironically, the spammer, Olives in Cans, is from Rutgers. -.-

Just another reason they suck.