In-Activeness

[Uniden.]

You guys must be wondering what this thread is about, well I'm just here to say a few things. I don't want any rep/neg for this thread, so please don't.

Right now, I have a question on my mind. I'm wondering why do most mods, not saying all, become so active on the forums, but so in-active in-game. I mean, at first, they're really active in-game, and forums, but as soon as they get mod, they'll be on for a month or 2 and thats it. They reduce their activeness to just forums. For example: "Un-named Mod" was very active before, and as soon as he/she got mod, he/she became active for a month or 2 he/she became very in-active, maybe logging on once or twice every fortnight for a few minutes, but that was it. I mean, seriously is it hard to ask, for Mods that is both active in-game, and forums?

Many times, I've been on Army, and I've met spammers, racist people, cheaters etc. And all I could do is take a s/s, and send it in, and sometimes, nothing even happens. And if we had more active in-game mods, then all this drama wouldn't happen, and thats what they're jobs are, to look after and keep clean, the forums, and in-game. And forums, they already do exceptionally well.

So the whole point of this thread was just to get this out of my head. I'm just saying what is my opinion. What does the rest of the community think? Speak your mind, whats your opinion?

Please note: Do not neg/rep me for this.

[Take a Look]

You're right.

And i still decide who I neg or rep :)

[Hatchet Warrior]

I agree with everything you have said. They would do something about this, but becoming a mod has turned more into a popularity contest than actually finding someone helpful that will stay active.
A few of the new mods they brought in retired not too long after they become a mod. If they want to hang out on the forums, why don't they just make a few of them forum mods and make room for someone who will actually do something instead of sit around on REV and chat with friends.

[Lonely Tylenol]

To answer your question very plainly and simply:

It's easier to maintain activity on the forums than it is in-game.

I can log in twice a day and post if I so choose, and that would be enough to deem me "active", because all that's technically required to be considered "active" in the forums is to be around long enough to read something, or, if you're feeling generous, to type something. There's not a tremendous time investment involved in the forums.

In the game, however, you have to have a considerable amount of time devoted on a regular and consistent basis. You can't log in for five minutes twice or three times a day and fix everything; similarly, you can't stay logged in for an hour, but only check the lobby every 30 or so minutes. To be effective (or even active) in the in-game lobby, you have to exhibit a clear and demonstrable level of activity that goes beyond the two to three messages per day that will get you "forum-active".

Simple as that. No inside conspiracy, no popularity contests, no corruption or misdeed. It's just easier to be active on the forums because less effort is required.

The real problem is in the people who still claim a demonstrable level of activity, but can't reproduce it when called on. Either crap or get off the pot, am I right?

A few of the new mods they brought in retired not too long after they become a mod. If they want to hang out on the forums, why don't they just make a few of them forum mods and make room for someone who will actually do something instead of sit around on REV and chat with friends.

If they wanted new active forum mods, my name may have never been reverted to gold.

Is that what you want, Hatch? Four more years of Tylenol?

;)

[Zander]

No, we want 8 years of Zander. I'd have the absolute perfect acceptance speech...

Yo listen up here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees
Is just blue like him inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around
Cos he ain't got nobody to listen to

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I have a blue house with a blue window.
Blue is the colour of all that I wear.
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too.
I have a girlfriend and she is so blue.
Blue are the people here that walk around,
Blue like my corvette, it's standing outside.
Blue are the words I say and what I think.
Blue are the feelings that live inside me.

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I have a blue house with a blue window.
Blue is the colour of all that I wear.
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too.
I have a girlfriend and she is so blue.
Blue are the people here that walk around,
Blue like my corvette, it's standing outside.
Blue are the words I say and what I think.
Blue are the feelings that live inside me.

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

Inside and outside blue his house
With the blue little window and a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around cause he aint got
Nobody to listen to

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I'm blue (if I was green I would die)

[Hatchet Warrior]

The real problem is in the people who still claim a demonstrable level of activity, but can't reproduce it when called on. Either crap or get off the pot, am I right?
Is that what you want, Hatch? Four more years of Tylenol?

;)

I can claim a demonstrable level of activity and reproduce it when called on. Want to prove me wrong, give me a position and some time.

I didn't mind you as a mod, so it wouldn't bother me.

[Uniden.]

I agree with Hatchet, they should select some people as forums mod only, and this gives more open space for newer, and more active in-game mods.

And LT, if you say that it's easier to be logged onto the forums and post a few things, I agree. But why would they choose a forum mod and give them an in-game account? I mean, seriously, if they're a forum mod, they should be just a forum mod; and if they're an In-game mod, then they should be an in-game mod. Or else if you have forum mods being in-game mods then, how are you going to have active in-game moderators?

So i believe they should choose new in-game mods only, and forum mods only. Or if they find someone active both in-game and forums, they should be an All Rounder Mod.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Actually, the forum mods having an in-game account was a very smart idea. The forum mods can help with in-game stuff as well.

[Uniden.]

Ok, but I mean, they should have more active in-game Mods. That would help resolve most problems.

[booyaka619]

I agree with everything you have said. They would do something about this, but becoming a mod has turned more into a popularity contest than actually finding someone helpful that will stay active.
A few of the new mods they brought in retired not too long after they become a mod. If they want to hang out on the forums, why don't they just make a few of them forum mods and make room for someone who will actually do something instead of sit around on REV and chat with friends.

Yea I have had the idea of just forum mods in my head for a while now. It seems like a good idea.

[Magician]

Here's how I see it:

I'm a Game Moderator. What I do for the community, I do on my own time. I am not paid for what I do. Anyway, the first thing I check when I come onto TAO is PMs, and the Tournament subsection of the forum, as it's the part I'm most invested in time-wise. Baring in mind what I said earlier, I have my own life, and TAO shouldn't take priority over my real-life. Many of us work, or study at college/university, which obviously are more important than TAO.

Generally when I'm on, it'll be Rev or GL, as they are usually the busiest servers (more people = more idiots spamming/cybering/etc.), but I do server sweep too. Circumstances have arisen for the mod you're commenting on, which the we know about and accept because of its severity.

On a final note: If you can't find any of us in-game, feel free to PM us on the forums. Also, with your s/s, send them around us mods, and we'll act accordingly.

[Scorpionz]

TAO doesn't need anymore mods. Meat does a fine job with the forums and no body cares about ingame anymore. Its dead.

[The AIDS Virus]

4 more years!!

[BaxVarlet]

Dealing with idiots all the time is taxing. That is why activity wanes overtime. Straight enough answer?

I frequent rev a lot, and I server sweep, but actually sitting on a server other than rev is mind numbing most of the time.

Mag had the right suggestion, PM a game mod if you need something done.

We can't be on 24/7 and it's stupid of you to ask us to be.

Job? lol.

[iceman2001]

It's funny how people "apply" to be mods like it's some kind of special honor, and then act like its the worst thing in the world once they're actually asked to do the job they volunteered for.

Sure, I think its a huge time waste, and probably not worth it. Then again, search the forum, have I ever applied to be a mod in the past three years? People just want the title, and don't actually want to do any work. Now whose fault is that?

[BaxVarlet]

It's funny how people "apply" to be mods like it's some kind of special honor, and then act like its the worst thing in the world once they're actually asked to do the job they volunteered for.

Sure, I think its a huge time waste, and probably not worth it. Then again, search the forum, have I ever applied to be a mod in the past three years? People just want the title, and don't actually want to do any work. Now whose fault is that?

I'm going to go with your fault.

But seriously, there is no problem in the current activity of mods. The only evidence one needs of this is spending five minutes on legends, and seeing the endless cursing, spamming, cybering, and bigotry. This does not happen, that I can see, on FPS.

Rev hardly ever needs moderation, as greys are usually the cause of most problems.

Great lakes, as the default server, has the most cyberers and problems. Mods are most active here, and you can usually see a mod on, even if for only a short time, every day. If I find myself sitting on a server however, I tend to choose army. Just to make sure other servers get face time.

Banff is lucky to have more than 10 people in the lobby, one or two of which might be gold. It's not necessary to moderate just a handful of greys, and Banff only needs to be sweeped, not actually hardcore modded.

Armageddon might have the most active golds, at the moment, so as I said, I spend most of my modding time there.

Mods can't be on 24/7, but there is usually a purple name on the forums most of the time that can be PMed.

[iceman2001]

Meh, there is a point to be made that we don't need as active of a mod team as the game portion is slowly dying. And don't get me wrong, there's a reason I never have, nor never will post at legends.


Nonetheless, how many of the in game mods do you personally feel have lived up to the task? Half at best?

[The AIDS Virus]

The system works well enough for a game that really... just isn't supported anymore. I'm just kind of waiting for the day when this website is just suddenly gone. Sure you have your cyberz0rs and SPAM fanatics, but really, they aren't that bad, I can log on during the day and spend an hour or two in the lobby and see maybe 1-2 on, and a mod comes along half of the time which is good enough for me. It's not overrun with cuss words and 1337 haxx or anything. It ain't broke, don't need fixin'.

[Memory of Light]

i think its more like this.

anyone who is mature and socially stable enough to be allowed to be a mod has better things to do then spend all day in game. since they aren't payed they have to have real jobs. or they go to school pretty much the same thing. the people who are most active in the game are not the most stable people. i used to play the game for like 8 hours every day, yet I'm sure you will agree, no one wants me to be a mod. back when i played super actively i simply didn't have the real life social structure to distract me.

Notice that the mods are the players who are very mature, and many have jobs and most are in college or at that age. All the mods to some degree are generally accepted as really cool people. Who doesn't love blud or liz? who didn't love snarr and azn_guy? now granted that some mods have huge numbers of people disliking them and they haven't shown the best behavior. but that's mostly the newer in game mods. no offense to awesome people like mag, who most people love. xyx and the burning are 2 more good examples.

all of these people are mostly college kids and have actual lives to attend to. the same responsibility which makes them suitable mod material means that they also have jobs and do their work in school. they probably have extracurricular activities too.

many people don't necessarily love their jobs, they do it to get payed. i know lots of the responsible girls at my school would rather chill with their friends but most of them get jobs babysitting, house-sitting, etc. or they spend time volunteering. but not this fake internet kind, real volunteering where they do habitat for humanity and national honor society and tutor kids at the library and crap. that as least can be fulfilling volunteering.

what kind of person wants to spend all day banning sexygirl53 and kicking skadertude256 because he swears too much? or having n00b182 ask how you got green text? tell me that would fulfill you in a real way? compared to actually having to work and think to tutor someone or build a poor person who you met and connected with a house. you can't leave because then you COULD miss something but if you stay you are totally bored.

[Tubby]

I agree man. Your totally correct. There is no excuse from any mod for that.


There should REALLY be one on every day.
I'm on this god damn thang 24/7 & I'm not a mod:(.


I wish. :*dance:




/Wannabe slap.

[Lonely Tylenol]

all of these people are mostly college kids and have actual lives to attend to. the same responsibility which makes them suitable mod material means that they also have jobs and do their work in school. they probably have extracurricular activities too.

yuh

School alone wasn't what did it for me, but balancing a full-time school schedule, managing the honors club (and all their extracurricular activities), three jobs and a band sure kept me the Hell away from this place. That's just the way it works out sometimes.

[mushroom_girl]

You're right, some of us (myself especially) should spend less time on Rev.

However, half of the time I go on the game it's late at night (the only time I am not in school or working) and there is usually not too much activity on the other three servers. Do you honestly expect me to sit in the lobby of three greys and monitor their non-chat? ;)

What also gets to us is the frustrating task of kicking people with names with ridiculous alt codes and such....There is nothing we can do about it unless if we spend tons of time on it. And I know that myself, along with Uniq and LT a while ago I believe, spent over an hour TOGETHER trying to kick one person. That's tiring, and all we get is "WTF GUYS KICK THEM FASTER!!!" "DO YOUR DAMNED JOB!" "LAME ASS MODS CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT."

Speaking for myself, I'm doing my best to get here and get online. I rarely even get s/s anymore, and I check my PM's just about every day even if I can't get online! But I will make sure I monitor all four servers instead of just one or two from now on.

[CPC]

I rarely see mods on and I am on mostly Monday - Thursday, occasionally on Friday- Sunday. If I had to guestimate, I'd say I see a mod once a week at best? Now does that sound like a lack of modding? And bear in mind, when I'm on, its usually for a good chunk of time, or on and off throughout the day depending on what's going on. Either way, I either manage to always miss them, but more than likely, they are increasingly inactive. Furthermore, I spend a majority of my time online on GL, which has been repeatedly mentioned as being the most modded server...Yet I never see a mod. In all honesty I don't give a rats ass about cyberers, but I do get annoyed by spammers, particularly an account called Chaingang47 (gold) that logs on spamming frequently. Ironically that's about the only time lately I have seen a mod on to kick that account. Point is...I find the most active mods to be either Uniq or for a period of time Gryph. Both once they are on do an effective job modding. I also think its awesome that Mag does a great job with the tournies and although you don't have to be a mod to do that, he is atleast making an effective contribution. Whereas there is just a serious lack of even forum participation from some mods of late.

[bludhoundz]

We are on more often than you think.

We all just avoid you, CPC.

:D

[CPC]

We are on more often than you think.

We all just avoid you, CPC.

:D

I knew that was you hiding on hotgirl69 last night!

[Match Strike]

See, this sis why only innactive players should be modded. At least you'd know how oftn to expect them to be on.

[bludhoundz]

I'm gonna take Match Strike's signature's philosophy on this whole "inactivity" fabrication.

[CPC]

I'm gonna take Match Strike's signature's philosophy on this whole "inactivity" fabrication.

Yeah that'll definitely put an end to all those complainers. :p

[Lonely Tylenol]

Yeah that'll definitely put an end to all those complainers. :p

And if he's real lucky, he'll get a little somethin' somethin' to go with it.

[CPC]

And if he's real lucky, he'll get a little somethin' somethin' to go with it.

Well yeah I mean someone is bound to do it. ;)