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Faulty Logic
12-26-2008, 02:50 AM
This one happens to be from the Therapeutic Boarding School, Carlbrook.org.
Workshops are where you go into an intensive group therapy session all day 8 AM to about 3AM. During this time you cannot communicate verbally or non verbally (including eye contact) unless directed to by a faculty member. this is to make sure you are constantly thinking about what is going on and what has happened and you cant get it out of your head except for in writing in your journal.


Third Workshop: Animus -- "Life soul etc"

Day One:
We go over "Honor lists" a complete list of every rule we've broken, we have to stay standing until everyone comes clean on everything. this took 4 hours. After this We had some discussions about life and death etc (this was a place where a lot of kids who did massive amounts of drugs went to) and how our choices in everyday life dictated our decision to live or die.

At the end of the night after eating our ham sandwiches (/yum!:dry:) we come back into the room and there are fake drugs on the floor (I'm prettysure they were real though) and pieces of paper with "self-hate" words written on them. (Druggie, ugly, failure, creep, unwanted, alone, broken, slut ...etc) and someone we all knew who was lying down face down on the ground... then we heard hammering on the door and three of our friends (older students in the school) came in and reenacted a drug overdose scene.... pretty scary stuff at 2am and the fact that you know those kids well and you've heard them talk about OD's before....

on that note they tell you to grab your journal and leave and walk the 1/ mile back to our dorms in silence just mulling over what we just saw in our heads....


Day Two:
we were givena white piece of paper and black sharpie and asked to draw our "soul" there was this hideous and depressing music that sounded like a creepy version of cabaret playing really loud, meanwhile the older students who were supporting you through the workshop and the faculty would come around and say things like, "thats too pretty, your soul is uglier than that, come one be honest you're not that clean...etc" so basically everyone is cryin and bawlin and drawin real fucked up stuff on their paper...then we have to go on break and journal about what we drew and why....


we then come back and our drawings are all in a collag eon one side of the room and then our "dreams" from our first workshop are on the other...they asked us to line up single file according to who was closer to waht part of them...life (dream) or death (drawing). So everyone is pushing each other back trying to get to the death wall cuz thats how they make you feel and you're all messed up cuz you're best friend is trying to push you out of the way cuz they think they deserve to die more than you...and it gets real crazy....


then after this they group you with another person who has a similar situation as you and you have to look them in the eyes and tell them every negative thing you think about hem while they stare back and you and nod their head in agreement.... then they do it to you.

Then you take your partner and put them in a "failure sculpture" which symbolizes how they will end up if they dont fix their shit. this gets real intense b/c they make you walk around and look at everyone's sculpture and its really messed up.. (girls on their backs leg spread, guys shooting themselves...and these are all your closest friends so it feels so damn real)



then we have some more exercises i cant remember along the lines of negative thoughts...(these get real fucked up real fast) and then we all go in front of everyone and tell everyone our "negative statement". this has to be in the form of "I stand for being _____" and the ____________ uis the reason why everything is the way it is... (examples are, broken, worthless waste of space, burden, fuck up, horrible son, never good enough...etc) this is the point of view we carry with us in our every day life that justifies our failures and takes away our accomplishments.

at the end of this (its about 2-3 am now) they bring out these big pillows and sofa cushions and we have to do this thing where we physically beat them while thinking of all of the negative thoughts and our Negative Statement.... mean while they are going around whispering in your ear and yelling at you the disclosures (thing you keep secret) and other fucked up shit from your past as "motivation".

after this you go to bed

Day Three:

the last day is usually the last day is an easy one... not so.

we start off the day with a quick recap... then they tell us to all lay down and they start a "guided visual" where we are completing the workshop, and going on a cruise to celebrate.. but then the cruise starts to go down.... they tell us to sit up....

In the room there are 15 people of your closest friends
in the center of the room are 3 chairs

they say that only three people can get on the "lifeboat" from the cruise ship.
so now you are fighting to get on a seat b/c well you dont wanna die (even though you know its not real the psychology behind it makes you understand the premise)

at the end of the fighting, we are told we get 1 minute to tell everyone why we should get a seat on the lifeboat. after the one minute for everyone they tell us we get three "live votes".

we get into a circle and one person steps forward (into the center of the circle) and then stands directly in front of the person next to them. You are only allowed to look them in the eyes and say,"you live/ you die."

You can only vote "you live" 3 times. Its very hard looking at some of your closest friends and telling them, "You die"
I got 0 live votes form my peers.

after this whole thing they tally up the votes and the top three get a seat then we all get 30 seconds to give them our last words to our family.

We then go around and tell everyone why we did/did not vote for them to live.

After this we get told that everyone dies form the crash (event he life boat) and we have to go into the break room and write our own Obituaries and Last Words to our families. We get one side of paper for each, and its real hard to focus at this point cuz your emotions re all over the place...

When we come back into the room the workshop staff and student supports are all wearing black and all the lights are off. they use flashlights to guide us to our seats where in front of us is a shrine where each of our items we brought with us at the beginning of the workshop is placed on display (cards form paretns gifts from lil brother etc)

we stand up, read our Obituary and Last Words in front of everyone by flashlight one by one. When we are done reading they remove your chair and take you to the back of the room where they then proceed to lay you down cross your arms on your chest and say "rest in peace ____" and that's you dead. this goes on until everyone has read their Obituaries and Last Words and we've all been on the ground for a while feeling like total shit. The leading faculty asks us to stand up if we are ready to fight for our right to live instead of making choices that lead us down the path to an early funeral..we all stand up really shaken, and all of the kids in the school that have been through the workshop before us come in with lit candles to symbolize the fire of life and we all are mad emotional cuz its like ridiculously taxing and its crazy and you're so happy you can speak to someone and that you're alive and its crazy.

..yeah thats one of the many stories i've got form my 16 ish months of therapy....

Spirit_Monger
12-26-2008, 03:03 AM
What kind of therapy is that supposed to be exactly? What I'm getting from it, is that it is for people making poor decisions in life. (Doing drugs, fighting, sex, etc. ... So it's like a rehab?)
I've never been to a rehab session or anything so I would have no idea if they are all like that. But that seems just brutal and mean. Don't know how making people feel like crap helps ... But maybe I'm just a believer in a "happier" approach to helping.

That kind of reminds me of my Kairos experience though in October. Wasn't a rehab or anything, but a spiritual retreat our school requires us to go on. Spent 3 days at some place with maybe 30 other guys, talking about some really emotional stuff. Overall, that was a really great time. Nothing like your experience at all, only good feelings really. Just reminded me of it because they both would be emotional? >.<

TheBlazedAce
12-26-2008, 07:16 AM
Coming from the fact that I've taken psychology courses and have a friends doing majors in the topic... Not to mention common sense.

I either a) don't believe you AT ALL or b) think the people who came up with this system of therapy have absolutely no credibility in their field whatsoever.

This is got to be one of the most unethical, horrible ideas for rehab I have ever heard. I wouldn't be surprised if it literally caused suicides. This kind of therapy, were it ever considered for serious research, would NEVER and I MEAN NEVER pass any medical review board. There is a ridiculous amount of mental scarring and psychological repercussions that could come from such a therapy.

-blazed

Memory of Light
12-26-2008, 08:05 AM
i dont have any therapy experience, but i have to agree with blaze. how the fuck would that fix anyones problems?

Wizzy`
12-26-2008, 08:31 AM
Faulty I've realized you like to complain about your home life a lot. Maybe you DO need a therapist, because then you can talk to him about it and not a bunch of people online who will most likely make fun of you or flame you..Or they'll say "Aww me so sorry. :("

Faulty Logic
12-26-2008, 11:36 AM
Faulty I've realized you like to complain about your home life a lot. Maybe you DO need a therapist, because then you can talk to him about it and not a bunch of people online who will most likely make fun of you or flame you..Or they'll say "Aww me so sorry. :("

Actually life at home is going really well. I'm doing really well, my dad and I just had a conversation where he told me he wasn't worried about me anymore and in effect lifted my curfew and is generally giving me a lot more freedom. This is just a story from my past that's pretty consequential in general and I felt like sharing it. This happened at school, not at home. My parents had nothing to do with this.... Except for sending me there .... :dry:

Sith Happens
12-26-2008, 11:49 AM
They had this therapy, at a place of Education?

Dark7
12-26-2008, 12:26 PM
so wait this sounds like drug therapy or w/e. Wtf are you going there for? no one should have to go through shit like that inless your doing some serious drugs or fucked up shit with your life.

Faulty Logic
12-26-2008, 02:41 PM
Coming from the fact that I've taken psychology courses and have a friends doing majors in the topic... Not to mention common sense.

I either a) don't believe you AT ALL or b) think the people who came up with this system of therapy have absolutely no credibility in their field whatsoever.

This is got to be one of the most unethical, horrible ideas for rehab I have ever heard. I wouldn't be surprised if it literally caused suicides. This kind of therapy, were it ever considered for serious research, would NEVER and I MEAN NEVER pass any medical review board. There is a ridiculous amount of mental scarring and psychological repercussions that could come from such a therapy.

-blazed

It's supposed to be akin to "shock" therapy where its so extreme and harsh that you have no choice but to change your course of action..... IMO its on parallel with A Clock Work Orange. After being there for 13-1/2 months (My parents pulled me form the program after they realized it was indeed starting to mess me up more than help me out.)

I was sent there b/c my rents didnt want me to come home after my Wilderness Program I was at.

Yes this was a school setting, it's called a residential therapeutic boarding school.

Memory of Light
12-26-2008, 04:25 PM
a therapy where they say you are so worthless that all your peers think you should die? and tell you things like "your soul is not that clean." seriously? that's taking the "admitting you have a problem is the first part of solving it" quite a bit too far.

i dont even wanna know what retard came up with that kind of crap.

their logic is faulty.

Shamus
12-26-2008, 04:51 PM
(My parents pulled me form the program after they realized it was indeed starting to mess me up more than help me out.)Exactly.

The person who founded this program most likely lacks proper credentials. Making people feel bad about themselves, and telling them they suck over and over is not going to help anybody.

ArcPaladinZero
12-26-2008, 06:15 PM
Coming from someone who works in the therapy field, sounds like you got some quacks, for a lack of a better term.

TheBlazedAce
12-28-2008, 04:15 AM
(My parents pulled me form the program after they realized it was indeed starting to mess me up more than help me out.)
I'm glad.

I hope you're doing alright now. How long ago was that?

-blazed

Faulty Logic
12-29-2008, 02:10 AM
I'm glad.

I hope you're doing alright now. How long ago was that?

-blazed

I'm good

I got my GED in October
I work 50-60 hours a week
I'm savin money for college... (hard to do I love buyin clothes and shit b/c i finally have money and dont have to shop at thrift stores with my rents...we werent poor by anymeans but it was how we made ends meet before my dad got his mad promotion.)


I'm jsut glad to be a regular teen and able to be a big bro to my lil bro.

and for those of you who are wondering....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_therapy

I know its wiki, but check it out.... in addition to that

http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Carlbrook

theres a bunch of these type places.....

Jeffery
12-29-2008, 02:13 AM
No therapy or counseling in the world can work unless the person themselves want it to.

I never understood court ordered AA classes. No one who HAS to go to them pays any attention. Hell, most of the time they go to the bars together afterwards.....

Faulty Logic
12-29-2008, 02:24 AM
No therapy or counseling in the world can work unless the person themselves want it to.

I never understood court ordered AA classes. No one who HAS to go to them pays any attention. Hell, most of the time they go to the bars together afterwards.....


I agree partially.


I was young and very immature. I came form a very twisted family situation which left me in a very strange perspective of adults. I was very easily fooled by their guile.

I n addition the threat of not "buying into the program" was going to lockdown facility with 2ton magnetic doors. At Carlbrook if we messed up we went back to the wilderness program then either came back, or went to a worse place.... also they tear you down mentally. they made you feel GUILTY about needing the help. They made you hate yourself for "wasting" your parents money cuz you were still fucking up...but no matter what you did it was wrong.... it really twisted my perception of right and wrong.

Jeffery
12-29-2008, 02:31 AM
I agree partially.


I was young and very immature. I came form a very twisted family situation which left me in a very strange perspective of adults. I was very easily fooled by their guile.

I n addition the threat of not "buying into the program" was going to lockdown facility with 2ton magnetic doors. At Carlbrook if we messed up we went back to the wilderness program then either came back, or went to a worse place.... also they tear you down mentally. they made you feel GUILTY about needing the help. They made you hate yourself for "wasting" your parents money cuz you were still fucking up...but no matter what you did it was wrong.... it really twisted my perception of right and wrong.

The military uses the "tear them down" technique as well. The difference is they then build you back up. Something many youth programs forget to do.

Sooner or later more and more states will make such programming illegal. Unfortunately for many, it will be later.

Faulty Logic
12-29-2008, 02:36 AM
The military uses the "tear them down" technique as well. The difference is they then build you back up. Something many youth programs forget to do.

Sooner or later more and more states will make such programming illegal. Unfortunately for many, it will be later.

yeah. I dont know I just really dont know why we all allowed it to happen to us. I dont know Jeff I mean i learned a lot about myself...but I def could have learned it a different way....


The worst thing is how we threw out everything about us like we jsut vomited our deepest secrets and we didnt even think it was weird....and honestly all the attack therapy did was further my self consciousness instilled by my rents regarding some personal issues, and it really solidified my numbing super power....

Jeffery
12-29-2008, 02:40 AM
yeah. I dont know I just really dont know why we all allowed it to happen to us. I dont know Jeff I mean i learned a lot about myself...but I def could have learned it a different way....


The worst thing is how we threw out everything about us like we jsut vomited our deepest secrets and we didnt even think it was weird....and honestly all the attack therapy did was further my self consciousness instilled by my rents regarding some personal issues, and it really solidified my numbing super power....
Brainwashing can be very effective like that. The trick is to tear someone down so far that they don't remember what they were like, so that you can "mold' them to whatver you want.

Faulty Logic
12-29-2008, 02:48 AM
Brainwashing can be very effective like that. The trick is to tear someone down so far that they don't remember what they were like, so that you can "mold' them to whatver you want.

Yeah heres an example:

In Third grade My dad was gone for a whole year cuz he was doing military shit in Saudi... it was just me my mom and my lil bro. I was at the "gifted and talented" school (a bunch of BS just rich snobs)

So my mom used to punish me by waking me up at 12-3 AM and making me run one or more miles. it would be somewhat random occasionally with no warrant. In addition I would be "spanked" with a straightened out metal coat hanger.... if i made any noise while this happened I would have to go on another run after wards and then get spanked a gain.....


They convinced me that I was lying and that never happened.... and made me apologize to my mom in group for lying....