PSST4 Draft

[meat.eater]

PSST4 Draft.

DATE: This Sunday, January 18th
TIME: 1:00 PM PST (4:00 PM EST) (9:00 PM GMT)
PLACE: Revelations Server

INSTRUCTIONS: If you decide to come to the draft, you are an observer, not an influence. The choices of captains (we will all be in a clan together so we can talk without y'all seeing) will be posted every 2 minutes, and then reflected in the PSST4 Draft Thread.
Thanks for your patience. The Draft Pool Signups will close on Sunday, January 18th at 12noon. I'd still really like to get 15-20 more people before this sunday, so tell your friends, bug the Legenders, threaten your enemies... I don't care! Just get everybody who's anybody to join!

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What's After The Draft, Meat?
That is pretty much entirely up to your captain. Some captains will be entering the draft with a finalized name of choice, others will be allowing their team to vote on a name. Clans will be made (yeah... I know I said I hated them, and I do... but they're practical), and you can find your leader to join your team clan and perhaps start training.

All the while that you do this, your Captains will be ranking you in their own position order. When all the captains ranking orders are submitted (no later than January 25th or do), matchups will be posted... and the battle will begin!

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New Stuff!

BENCH GAMES. This year, the biggest new addition to PSST4 will be the introduction of Bench Games! If you won your last match(s) but have been placed on the Bench for the next round by your Captain (round sizes decrease, remember?), you will be thrown into a bench pool where you will play other players from other benches (not necessarily from the team you are specifically facing). Bench games will be scored on a separate tally, and the user with the most bench game points will receive the 6th Man Award and win TAL points. If you lose a bench game, you are not out of the tournament. Winning bench games does not add (+1) to a TAL score, it simply adds bench point values to compete for the 6th Man Award.
It's a great way to keep people with byes involved and prevent them from getting rusty. If you lose a game, you will not be eligible for bench games.

2 FOR 1. Captains will have the ability to trade members in 2 for 1 trades (or 3 for 1, really). It is up to their discretion as to whether quality > quantity or vice versa. Remember, you, as the user, have no say in trades. Captains cannot trade during round play, but they may trade up until or between rounds.

END GAME. In the event of a detonation-like situation that happened last year, teams will alternate turns in deciding styles in which to play (final say is on captain). There is no debate. All styles chosen will be final. The team with fewer members will have first pick on the style of choice. The team with more members will play their team in rank order.

TAL POINTS. Subject to change.
Captain of Winning Team: +8
Captain of 2nd Place Team: +6
Captain of 3rd Place Team: +3
Captain of 4th Place Team: +2
MVP of Winning Team: +6
MVP of Tournament: +8
Winning Team: +3
6th Man Award +4
1 Game Won: +1
Disqualification: -1


Any questions, ask.

[meat.eater]

The Draft!

1. |AFO| : Victorious Secret
(1) The Professor
(8) Lieutenant
(9) Lemon
(16) Rubbish
(17) Creed
(24) Mithrandir
(25) Darkfire Phoenix
(32) DMD
(33) Fearliss
(40) Firebrand
(41) The Arena
(48) skev21
(49) Phillysoul29
(56) Realist
(57) Lord Shinok
(64) spencer555
(65) Punishment
(72) Boreal
(73) Imagination
(80) Dark*Dragon
(81) 3000 stat
(88) cross-fire
(89) Wolfman
(96) *zoro*
(97) ubah
(104) FLAWLESS
(105) Garack
(112) tyrant dragon666
(113) Punisher/Uk
(120) Antikas Karios
(121) Nightmarez
(128) Lex
(129) Burnout278
(136) tidge87



2. xEaglex : Birds of Prey
(2) Sniper Master
(7) Legend Z
(10) Master TAO
(15) Hoolwath
(18) ZADICO
(23) Celtic
(26) ~Slayer~
(31) IROK
(34) Hatchet Warrior
(39) Big Zeus
(42) Geoffrey
(47) Luzbel
(50) kingedward
(55) Darkness
(58) Forest_Archer
(63) Junier
(66) elimination
(71) toledo13
(74) Jonspen
(79) -57-
(82) CPC
(87) hot potato
(90) DOCTOR DEVICE
(95) Matzer
(98) Selverkent
(103) Redux
(106) Flame.
(111) Night.Blaze
(114) Duraza
(119) Zander
(122) Celesital
(127) pils
(130) Shiznit
(135) supersmiley :-)



3. Maverik07: The ShamWOWs
(3) Ragnarth
(6) llrich
(14) solingro
(19) ualldeathwithme
(21) Pikachu
(22) Dark7
(27) Number_one
(30) ExpectDeath
(35) Justice
(37) Reymo
(38) Soda
(43) Cuathon
(46) Mephistopheles
(51) Tugnus
(54) Antibiotic
(62) cekkino
(67) stg
(70) the bored king
(75) Elemental
(78) HoodedH
(83) Ricardu
(86) High Heat
(91) AlabamaBoy
(94) Ol' Time
(99) Xiahou Dun
(102) Shurtugal
(107) Snowolf
(110) Unforgottner
(115) laojesus
(118) $Rampage$
(123) The Anti
(126) Baseballboy
(131) BOHEMOTH
(134) Drum Fill Legend
{137) puz



4. BaxVarlet : 13itch Please
(4) *Machiavelli*
(5) Detonation
(11) Stiven
(12) Bludhoundz
(13) Frylock
(20) Nomadic Methods
(28) gigolojlo
(29) A-99
(36) Sacred Silence
(44) Match Strike
(45) The Butcher
(52) Priest
(53) StupidCowsCantSwim
(59) Abhimanu
(60) vintage
(61) Dream
(68) El Cid
(69) meat.eater
(76) Flash Demon
(77) ChainHeart
(84) Notorious
(85) Freedom Fighter
(92) Ninai
(93) Gypsy
(100) I'malive24/7
(101) LosPollos
(108) lost.boy
(109) ~Elven~Blood
(116) HatchetKlown17
(117) Wisher
(124) Loopget
(125) $t. Anger
(132) KickAssPlaya
(133) One Last Chance


Trades.

BaxVarlet's 13itch Please gives: (21) Pikachu, (37) Reymo
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please receives: (11) Stiven, (59) Abhimanu
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Maverik07's The ShamWOWs gives: (11) Stiven, (59) Abhimanu
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs receives: (21) Pikachu, (37) Reymo

Challenges for Round 1.

|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Challenger: Rubbish
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Opponent: Maverik07
STYLE: Freestyle
STATUS: Confirmed


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: cekkino
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: *zoro*
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Confirmed


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: Shurtugal
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: Boreal
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Confirmed


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: Cuathon
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: The Professor
STYLE: TBA
STATUS: Rejected


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: the bored king
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: skev2
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Rejected


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: Justice
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: FireBrand
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Rejected


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: ualldeathwithme
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: Lieutenant
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Unconfirmed: |AFO|, Maverik07


Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Challenger: Dark7
|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Opponent: Lieutenant
STYLE: Freestyle
STATUS: Unconfirmed: |AFO|, Maverik07


|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Challenger: The Professor
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Opponent: llrich
STYLE: llrich's Choice.
STATUS: Rejected


|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Challenger: Cross-Fire
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Opponent: High Heat
STYLE: Freestyle
STATUS: Rejected


|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Challenger: Lord Shinok
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Opponent: Justice
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Unconfirmed: |AFO|


|AFO|'s Victorious Secret Challenger: 3000 stat
Maverik07's The ShamWOWs Opponent: Soda
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Unconfirmed: |AFO|, Maverik07

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xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: Geoffrey
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: Stiven
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Confirmed


xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: xEaglex
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: Frylock
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Rejected


xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: kingedward
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: Bludhoundz
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Rejected


xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: pils
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: ~Elven~Blood~
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Rejected


BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Challenger: Dream
xEaglex's Birds of Prey Opponent: CPC
STYLE: Freestyle
STATUS: Rejected


BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Challenger: Greed
xEaglex's Birds of Prey Opponent: xEaglex
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Confirmed


xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: Zander
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: Greed
STYLE: Gray
STATUS: Rejected


xEaglex's Birds of Prey Challenger: IROK
BaxVarlet's 13itch Please Opponent: Flash Demon
STYLE: Turtle
STATUS: Rejected


Disqualifications.
Zip

[Hoolwath]

I like the End game solution.

[cekkino]

This PSST will be great :)

PS for the CAPTAINS: my exams season starts monday so I can't be so much active...
the exams will be for the whole February and after that I'll be again active...

Just to let you know... but I wanna be in so much!!! pick me also if in the last position awww

[Nitanius Nolund]

Same. I mean, I wasn't affected by deto being able to beast through an entire team, but it's still not fair for anyone. Then again, who's to say he still wouldn't have beasted through them? :p

This was directed at Hool's comment. Damn you cekkino for posting before me!

[A-99]

woot.

[Cross-Fire]

yay im excitedddd

[Match Strike]

Remember, you, as the user, have no say in trades.
Watch me.

[greendaybum5]

This is just a suggestion, but what do people think of a No Trade Clause for maybe the top 2-4 picks for each team? This would cause the captains to think carefully about who they pick. It would also be interesting when they try to trade one of those players...

Just a thought? any feedback?

yes i realize meat posted saying its solely on the captains but like i said this is just a suggestion

[meat.eater]

I dont think any of them will trade their top picks anyways unless it's for somebody else's top pick... in which case it doesn't matter too much. We don't have to overly constrain.

[The Professor?]

Hehe I like that idea Philly...kinda makes it even more like Pro Sports.

Edit: Maybe they could trade their top pick for 2 good picks...hell it happens in all sports every year.

[High Heat]

I'm not going to try to tell anyone where I should be drafted in this bad boy. But, I do have a few original thoughts to offer the captains as they prepare their draft lists…

First and foremost, remember that there is a lot of parity in this tournament. There won't be any easy games. And, when Bax's team matches up against AFO's team, you can just throw out the records, cause it's gonna be one for the ages. You can't look past anyone…even Eagle's team. And Maverick's sassys put on their form-fitting-skin-tight-ninja-outfits one leg at a time just like everyone else's sassys.

You're gonna have to take 'em one game at a time, cause every dog has his day, and these games aren't played on paper. There's no I in TEAM. And defense wins championships.

I caution the captains to consider that statistics, while they can be misleading, tell the whole story. Remember that you're building a team for a marathon, not a sprint.

As for myself…I'm confident in saying that I'm a blue chip prospect. I'm a 5-tool player with a ton of upside. I'm freakishly athletic. I've got wingspan and a live arm. I'm a leaper with mad hops. I have the ability to play on Sundays.

I also understand that winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. I won't be happy just to be here. In my games, I'll be looking to dictate the tempo. I'll be careful to play within myself and let the game come to me. I'll stick to the fundamentals and look to eliminate mental mistakes while I capitalize on turnovers.

I know this tourney is gonna require equal parts inspiration and perspiration. I won't give in to temptation or frustration. When I'm in game, there'll be no lapses in concentration, no acts of desperation. No speculation or ovulation. Just vindication. And I'll bring plenty of water so there's no danger of dehydration.

Each time I put on your team uniform, you'll know that I'm prepared to Play Like A Champion Today.

Now, I know that a lot of these concepts will sound crazy to some of you. I hope you're not intimidated by the power and freshness of my original independent thoughts. But the captains need to know that these are the types of ideas that I bring to the table. I'm a giver, and this is the type of value that I add. I look forward to seeing you all in the green room on draft day.

[Nitanius Nolund]

High Heat, how do you always come up with these epic posts?

[Unforgottner]

I love you. So, so much. Rev.

[greendaybum5]

Hehe I like that idea Philly...kinda makes it even more like Pro Sports.

Edit: Maybe they could trade their top pick for 2 good picks...hell it happens in all sports every year.

i agree i mean it is called PSST which stands for the pro sports baby..... i think it's a ballin idea anyone else agree besides my best friend professor?

[pils]

The bench games sounds interesting, and kinda cool... But there is one problem that comes to mind...
Sometimes one of the reasons people are benched is because they can't play the next round... And, unless a team just dominates, more often than not one of the main reasons a winning player would be benched would be because of that...

So, I propose that if you are DQ'd in a bench game it doesn't count... Or at the very least you should be able to sit a bench round out. Because, at least for me, that was one of the better parts about PSST... It allowed for a little bit of flexibility in schedules.

[cekkino]

CAPTAINS :p

I'd like to get picked to play in turtle like first choice, then grey... I'm tired to free right now, thx!

[Match Strike]

I don't know why I even bother trying to be clever when High Heat is around.

[Mithrandir]

END GAME. In the event of a detonation-like situation that happened last year, teams will alternate turns in deciding styles in which to play (final say is on captain). There is no debate. All styles chosen will be final. The team with fewer members will have first pick on the style of choice. The team with more members will play their team in reverse rank order.


Practically speaking, I'm unclear on how this works. If my team has more players, are we just doomed to the luck when it comes to styles of how our pick numbers are? In other words, it seems like my team should have the option to put me in grey and Mag in turt, etc., but the way you have explained it, it seems like that is completely out of our control, which seems wrong. Could you clarify this please?

Bench games are a great addition, 2 for 1 trades were an option in previous PSSTs but just not used I think.

[The Butcher]

I don't know why I even bother trying to be clever when High Heat is around.

He's quite a character.

[Hoolwath]

Practically speaking, I'm unclear on how this works. If my team has more players, are we just doomed to the luck when it comes to styles of how our pick numbers are? In other words, it seems like my team should have the option to put me in grey and Mag in turt, etc., but the way you have explained it, it seems like that is completely out of our control, which seems wrong. Could you clarify this please?

Bench games are a great addition, 2 for 1 trades were an option in previous PSSTs but just not used I think.

I think it works like this:

You are a captain of a team Mith and you have Magician, Llrich and Wack-head left for your team, I am the captain of the other team and the only remaining player on my team is The Professor.

Professor just completely trashed a random legender in freestyle, because I chose it as the style I consider him to be the best at. It is your turn to pick a style of the round. So you pick Turtle and you choose Magician as your turtler... Professor now has to turtle Magician. Professor wins mostly because I am his captain and I am really cool. Then it is my turn to pick a style and I pick freestyle, because it is Prof's best style. You choose Llrich to fight him, even though you know it is a hopeless cause. Although you did not expect it to end up that badly, Prof flawlesses Llrich. Shame, but thankfully, it is your turn to pick the style and you are going to play dirty and pick grey, because you know that grey is Wack's main strength and Prof's main weakness. What you did not know is that Prof has received some advanced training from none other than his fearless leader and wins the game in about 29 minutes.

My team moves to final, you decide to just abandon your team, because you feel really bad about yourself and letting your team down. I end up being the MVP after I self-award myself the title ignoring several protests and black mails.

I got a bit carried away, but I tried to explain the purpose of the End game thing aswell.




Edit: So I read what meat wrote again and it seems like I did not get it at first and then did not get how you couldn't get it, although you got it correctly. I see what the problem is now and think Meat should rather use my end game tactics. So that the rank of the players would not matter and having the last player on your team would finally be as much of a disadvantage as it should rightfully be.

[The Professor?]

I'll have you know Hool grey is like my x-factor style. I can either play good enough to beat anyone...or screw up and lose to someone like stiv by 8 because I rushed the dam thing. ;)

And is it known which captains have what pick yet?

[xEaglex]

I'll have you know Hool grey is like my x-factor style. I can either play good enough to beat anyone...or screw up and lose to someone like stiv by 8 because I rushed the dam thing. ;)

And is it known which captains have what pick yet?

Not until right before the draft.

Here's my idea:

When there are 1 or 2 people left, the team with more players decided who faces who. After the matchup is made...

Each player picks ONE style they DO NOT want to play, and the style that is left is the one they play.

This way, each style is favored equally and someone who is good at 2 styles has adv over someone who is only good at one.

Thoughts?

I know I PMed this to the capts already, but I wanted more opinions. I just think the way it is is too...concrete...sort of like what Mith said. Especially when it comes down to 2 people and not 1.

[greendaybum5]

Not until right before the draft.

Here's my idea:

When there are 1 or 2 people left, the team with more players decided who faces who. After the matchup is made...

Each player picks ONE style they DO NOT want to play, and the style that is left is the one they play.

This way, each style is favored equally and someone who is good at 2 styles has adv over someone who is only good at one.

Thoughts?

I know I PMed this to the capts already, but I wanted more opinions. I just think the way it is is too...concrete...sort of like what Mith said. Especially when it comes down to 2 people and not 1.

Only problem I see is what happens if two people pick the same type of game, like say it's you and me and we both pick turtle that we dont want to play....then we do it again? you pick free i pick grey...what happens there?

[cekkino]

what happens there?

Let's say that player A chooses to not play turtle, so this option is deleted; then player B chooses to not play free... so they must play in grey

I like this idea eagle, nice one! And the first one to pick the style to not play could be the lower pick (also if it doesn't matter really)

[skev21]

I think that no matter what, the team with more players should automatically be handed an advantage, obviously by this stage they have outplayed the opposition. The team with more than 1 player left should definitely get to choose who plays that style for them. I.e say you have Mag, Lemon and llrich, against deto. Well the team with those 3 should definetely be able to put Mag in turt, lemon in grey and llrich in free against him. Otherwise they lose the advantage they gained by playing the overall matchup better.

[Maverik07]

Dibs on High Heat.

[xEaglex]

Let's say that player A chooses to not play turtle, so this option is deleted; then player B chooses to not play free... so they must play in grey

I like this idea eagle, nice one! And the first one to pick the style to not play could be the lower pick (also if it doesn't matter really)

Solution ^_^

[kingedward]

AFO said he'd pick me first. So /win

[greendaybum5]

Let's say that player A chooses to not play turtle, so this option is deleted; then player B chooses to not play free... so they must play in grey

I like this idea eagle, nice one! And the first one to pick the style to not play could be the lower pick (also if it doesn't matter really)

Solution ^_^

That didn't answer my problem..... I'm saying Player A chooses not to play turtle and so does player B..

unless....is turt eliminated from Player B's options?

[xEaglex]

Let's say that player A chooses to not play turtle, so this option is deleted; then player B chooses to not play free... so they must play in grey

I like this idea eagle, nice one! And the first one to pick the style to not play could be the lower pick (also if it doesn't matter really)

There ya go ^_^

[A-99]

What if I don't want to grey cuz I don't have Hool as my captain to teach me mad skillz.

Umm so I'm thinking that either Bax or Mav should make an Omni team and own up the competition. Yea, yea?

[Gypsy]

AFO said he'd pick me first. So /win

AFO said he wouldn't pick me at all. : D

Ok...I made that up...

[Redux]

So that the rank of the players would not matter and having the last player on your team would finally be as much of a disadvantage as it should rightfully be.

Hate to have the same situation on our hands as we did in the original PSST, when Omegagalaxy single-handedly wiped out an entire team.

[greendaybum5]

What if I don't want to grey cuz I don't have Hool as my captain to teach me mad skillz.

Umm so I'm thinking that either Bax or Mav should make an Omni team and own up the competition. Yea, yea?

or me just own you in turts

[A-99]

or me just own you in turts

Lol bring it on son!

[greendaybum5]

Okay it's official, me and Will cannot be drafted onto the same team. Captains please follow thru with this.

Yours Truly,
Alex
PhillySoul29

[A-99]

I agree if we both agree to turt. mwhahahah but seriously philly is bad, don't pick him ever im like 15 of him combined

[xEaglex]

But...you guys were my top 2 picks...

[A-99]

I ALMOST forgot. After living at college for the past 4-5 months, I have perfected the near impossible arts of Kraft Dinner, grilled cheese, Ramen noodles, P&J Sandwiches, and the legendary cheese and crackers.

That's right boys (and girls?), I bring nourishment and pleasure. What does Phillysoul bring? A whole batchful of lamewad. Make the right choice, make the educated choice. A-99 for being picked before Phillysoul29. i love philly <3

[meat.eater]

I am against voting for styles not to play. The one person will vote the same style every time. No.

I think it works like this:

You are a captain of a team Mith and you have Magician, Llrich and Wack-head left for your team, I am the captain of the other team and the only remaining player on my team is The Professor.

Professor just completely trashed a random legender in freestyle, because I chose it as the style I consider him to be the best at. It is your turn to pick a style of the round. So you pick Turtle and you choose Magician as your turtler... Professor now has to turtle Magician. Professor wins mostly because I am his captain and I am really cool. Then it is my turn to pick a style and I pick freestyle, because it is Prof's best style. You choose Llrich to fight him, even though you know it is a hopeless cause. Although you did not expect it to end up that badly, Prof flawlesses Llrich. Shame, but thankfully, it is your turn to pick the style and you are going to play dirty and pick grey, because you know that grey is Wack's main strength and Prof's main weakness. What you did not know is that Prof has received some advanced training from none other than his fearless leader and wins the game in about 29 minutes.

My team moves to final, you decide to just abandon your team, because you feel really bad about yourself and letting your team down. I end up being the MVP after I self-award myself the title ignoring several protests and black mails.

I got a bit carried away, but I tried to explain the purpose of the End game thing aswell.




Edit: So I read what meat wrote again and it seems like I did not get it at first and then did not get how you couldn't get it, although you got it correctly. I see what the problem is now and think Meat should rather use my end game tactics. So that the rank of the players would not matter and having the last player on your team would finally be as much of a disadvantage as it should rightfully be.

No, you pretty much got it right, except for playing order, which doesn't matter much. I just worded it strangely. Let's use the actual deto situation of last year as an example.

(6) detonation

vs.

(24) Elphias Doge, (33) Solingro, (40) StupidCowsCantSwim, (41) Elemental, (56) Lone_star, (57) ff7cloud, (72) HoodedH, (88) Xeqtr, (96) Criminal!, (97) Semper-Fidelis, (105) Siam331

GAME 1: detonation's team's (A) choice. A chooses freestyle.

(6) detonation

vs.

(105) siam331

GAME 2: semper-fidelis' team's (B) choice. B chooses gray.

(6) detonation

vs.

(97) semper-fidelis

GAME 3: A's choice. A chooses turtle.

(6) detonation

vs.

(96) Criminal!

And so on.

[StupidCows]

But therein lies the problem. Say you have (as used before) Lemon, Magician, and llrich. It may be lined up where the team with the most members has to use Lemon for freestyle, Mag for grey and llrish for turtle... Therefore negating their upperhand.

[meat.eater]

As you reach the top of your list, your better players will be right next to each other, not every other, because it is situated by draft rank. So you will definitely get to choose some (half, really) of your "better players" games.

[StupidCows]

Seems just like a cheap way of giving the last standing person a chance to rack up massive TAL points.

[meat.eater]

Hmm. Decent point. Screw the "reverse order" thing, then. The higher ranked opponents will play first.

[xEaglex]

Ah, I see.

Alright, I'm cool with the way it is now.

Though, it would suck if the remaining players left were like: (10) Magician, (15) Random Inactive Person, (18) Bludhoundz

Then, just don't pick turtle.

[StupidCows]

Sorry for probably overstepping my boundaries here. But I still feel like the team with that one remaining player has too much power. If they get to pick first, it almost negates the top ranked player of the team with more people (and therefore the team that played better throughout the rest of the match). Perhaps the team with more people should get first pick.

[Maverik07]

Why not just have the captain decide who plays the single player? After that player is selected, then the style is chosen in an alternating fasion.

So, using your example with Deto from last year.

Team A has Deto, Team B chooses to throw out Sol to play Deto, so Deto chooses freestyle. Deto wins and then Team B gets to choose the next player to play Deto, and the style. If Deto wins again, Team B selects another player, and then Deto picks the style again and so on and so forth.

[meat.eater]

Two responses to that: 1) They would have had to go undefeated (against other highly ranked people) in order to get to the position they are in.. while the rest of their team miserably failed... they deserve first pick.

2) By the nature of the situation, they would have to remain undefeated in order to win the round for their team... I fail to see how having to beat 8 people with no losses is an advantage...

EDIT@Mav: 3) The captain is going to pick their top players anyways... I don't see how order really matters. There's a reason players are ranked when drafted besides self pride.

[Hoolwath]

The problem with that system is, meat, that being the single player left on the team could actually end up being an advantage.

Magician seems to be a popular choice, so lets use him again. Imagine if Mag(4),Prof(5) and Mith(12) is put against up against a freestyler. Its his choice first he beats Mag at free, although the captain would rather use him for turtle, then you pick freestyle for prof, the other freestyler gets lucky and beats prof, then he picks freestyle for mith where his captain would want him to grey obviously.

Situation similar to this could happen. Why not just leave out the ranking in the end altogether?

[Maverik07]

Draft order picked doesnt translate to the better player for the way you're thinking of running the end game. I still dont see why the opposing captain cant pick the order in which he wants to have his players play.

[Dream]

/2 cents

Person with most people picks first style and person to play. Then they switch, like rules are.

edit:
Two responses to that: 1) They would have had to go undefeated (against other highly ranked people) in order to get to the position they are in.. while the rest of their team miserably failed... they deserve first pick.


yeah but this is a TEAM tournament. one person on a terrible team shouldn't then have them win psst because of only him.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Why can't you just make it easy? When it gets down to a single player, you do a simple rotation.

Game 1: Freestyle
Game 2: Turtle
Game 3: Grey

If it gets to game 4 and higher, just repeat the cycle.

It eliminates the advantage of either team, because it allows the team with more players to select who they want to play where, and honestly, unless he's literally the last choice, the last player on a team is at least mediocre in all three styles.

[Maverik07]

Because thats too simple. Dumby-head.

[Nitanius Nolund]

But I cant comprehend anything else :(

[xEaglex]

Why can't you just make it easy? When it gets down to a single player, you do a simple rotation.

Game 1: Freestyle
Game 2: Turtle
Game 3: Grey

If it gets to game 4 and higher, just repeat the cycle.

It eliminates the advantage of either team, because it allows the team with more players to select who they want to play where, and honestly, unless he's literally the last choice, the last player on a team is at least mediocre in all three styles.

Because then the team with only 1 or 2 people left REALLY stands no chance. We want to make it difficult, but not impossible.

Take Hool's example. There's no way the 1 person left is going to beat Mag, Mith, and Prof at their specialized styles. No chance, at all. The least we can do, is limit it to every other person gets their specialized style. So it'll still be really hard, but not impossible.

Please just keep it the way it is, but forget the rankings and let the team pick their own order of who is playing.

[Redux]

Because thats too simple. Dumby-head.

Simplicity is sometimes the best way to go. This is the idea I have had on my mind and figured I was just missing something that made it a bad idea. Now that someone else brings up the point, I am more confident. Why wont this work?

[Nitanius Nolund]

Because then the team with only 1 or 2 people left REALLY stands no chance. We want to make it difficult, but not impossible.

Please just keep it the way it is, but forget the rankings and let the team pick their own order of who is playing.

How does it give the team with only 1 or 2 people left no chance?

Look at who the noteworthy last players were from last year: MTAO and deto

Either could, in all fairness play all 3 styles.

Or you know...you could do it the cool way.

When you hit a certain point, make all games random units >.>

[xEaglex]

How does it give the team with only 1 or 2 people left no chance?

Look at who the noteworthy last players were from last year: MTAO and deto

Either could, in all fairness play all 3 styles.

Or you know...you could do it the cool way.

When you hit a certain point, make all games random units >.>

So? I repeat, NOBODY can beat Mithrandir at grey, Prof at free, and then Magician at turtle, and then a 4th at whatever. It's impossible.

Make it only 2 of them at their styles and 2 at whatever style, and that's still insanely hard, but not impossible anymore.

[Maverik07]

I think the scenario i posed is the best way to go. The captains should be the ones to choose the order in which their players play and each team should alternate who gets to pick the style.

[xEaglex]

Agreed, it's the way to go, as long as the whole "play in order of whatever" is taken out. Just let the captain decide the order.

I think Hool and myself adequately explained some concrete situations of how "rank order" games can go horribly wrong.

[StupidCows]

I see one problem with the whole "captain decides the order." Say you have 3 high ranked players (Mag, Mith, and Prof) and 3 very low ranked plays (Players A, B, C) against deto. Deto chooses freestyle, you choose Player A. Deto wins. You choose Mag and turtle. Deto pulls off a miraculous win. Deto chooses freestyle again, you choose Player B. I know Deto has to go through all the players, but the captain getting to basically "dump" a less talented player on deto's best style seems like the same impossible situation as the one that IROK suggested.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Just a heads up to the captains. I've been practicing all three styles a bit more now, so bump my grey up a bit since I just won banff's warm up grey tourny.

[|AFO|]

I see one problem with the whole "captain decides the order." Say you have 3 high ranked players (Mag, Mith, and Prof) and 3 very low ranked plays (Players A, B, C) against deto. Deto chooses freestyle, you choose Player A. Deto wins. You choose Mag and turtle. Deto pulls off a miraculous win. Deto chooses freestyle again, you choose Player B. I know Deto has to go through all the players, but the captain getting to basically "dump" a less talented player on deto's best style seems like the same impossible situation as the one that IROK suggested.

Its a one to six ratio... It should be next to impossible. As in its not the same situation as above.

[Maverik07]

If Deto can miraculously play out of his style against a player whose main style he is playing, then he deserves to get that free game playing his own style. Theres no problem there.

[Magician]

Captain of the team with more players remaining should make the decision as to what style to play the first match in a last-man standing scenario. They should also play their highest drafted player still remaining. The 2nd match - assuming the first was a win for the last man - would then be the Captain of their team, but could only be one of two styles (exclusive of the style played in the first match).

Example:

Last Man Standing vs Random Team

detonation vs Mithrandir - Mithrandir's Captain choose Dropless Grey.
detonation wins.

detonation vs Magician - detonation's Captain cannot pick Grey, so chooses Freestyle.
detonation wins.

detonation vs bludhoundz - Match must be turtle style.

Repeat if continuous.

Last match, if it gets to a 1v1 situation should be Freestyle, unless otherwise agreed.

The only other things I could think of would have the matches completely random, or the Captain of the team with more players has complete control over styles, but must alternate between all 3 - similiar to the example given.

Hope this makes sense.

[xEaglex]

I see one problem with the whole "captain decides the order." Say you have 3 high ranked players (Mag, Mith, and Prof) and 3 very low ranked plays (Players A, B, C) against deto. Deto chooses freestyle, you choose Player A. Deto wins. You choose Mag and turtle. Deto pulls off a miraculous win. Deto chooses freestyle again, you choose Player B. I know Deto has to go through all the players, but the captain getting to basically "dump" a less talented player on deto's best style seems like the same impossible situation as the one that IROK suggested.

That's a good point...hmm. You suggest the rank order?

[Maverik07]

I think the whole rank order thing is a horrible idea.

I suggested random styles in the first place, through PMs. No matter what the style choices are, the captains should get the final say for who they want to play. Its a horrible idea to have who plays be based on some sort of rank that may have only been applicable for the draft and not for the situation.

[StupidCows]

To Magician: Why the leader in the second match? What if the leader has already lost? And why the highest ranked player before the leader if the leader hasn't lost yet?

To Eagle: I suggest the rank order with the team with more people choosing first.

[Magician]

I agree, Mav, so I suggest this too:

meat makes the list of styles to be played in order in a last man standing - say Freestyle, Turtle and Grey. The Captain of the team with more players gets to pick who they want to play in the match due to play.

They play. If the Last Man Standing wins, move onto the next opponent in the next style in the cycle. Repeat until one team wins.

[Maverik07]

Why are we letting some outside influence pick styles and players?

Is that not the point of having a captain?

[Magician]

Two captains would never agree on playing their players in a style favored more by the other, so having style rules in place should help resolve any of those issues.

Captain would then pick the player to play the match, having the style of said match pre-determined.

[Maverik07]

Have the captains take turns picking styles and have the captains pick who they want to play. Just as i suggested before. What is wrong with that?

[xEaglex]

I see one problem with the whole "captain decides the order." Say you have 3 high ranked players (Mag, Mith, and Prof) and 3 very low ranked plays (Players A, B, C) against deto. Deto chooses freestyle, you choose Player A. Deto wins. You choose Mag and turtle. Deto pulls off a miraculous win. Deto chooses freestyle again, you choose Player B. I know Deto has to go through all the players, but the captain getting to basically "dump" a less talented player on deto's best style seems like the same impossible situation as the one that IROK suggested.

This is the problem with that, however, I think this is the most "fair" problem that any of these suggestions has.

If you've got 3 specialists AND other people left...then damn, you deserve this huge advantage.

[Magician]

Because as a Captain, you want your players playing in their strongest style... leaving the decision completely between two Captains is likely to cause alot of confrontation and argument, especially if you're persistant and stubborn about it.

I agree that the Captain should pick who they want to play in a Last-Man Standing Scenario. I think the matches should be rotated between styles, and therefore should be pre-determined to avoid any potential needless arguments.

[Magician]

This is the problem with that, however, I think this is the most "fair" problem that any of these suggestions has.

If you've got 3 specialists AND other people left...then damn.

You did see many skilled players TA had at the end of both rounds in PSST3, yes? :cool:

[Maverik07]

I dont see what the problem is with the situation SCCS posed.

[Mithrandir]

I've had a long, crummy day, so I didn't read through the thread with great care and precision, and I think this is similar to IROK's suggestion or somebody's, I don't care. I don't claim to be the first to say it, I'm just saying in my own words what I think should happen. I think it's exactly what the legends PSST did, the lone thing I thought went well in that disgraceful tournament.

Detonation's Team (with just detonation) vs Tartan Army (with Mith, Prof, Mag, Eagle, Llrich and Graphics)

Game 1: Turtle
Game 2: Grey
Game 3: Freestyle
Game 4: Turtle
Game 5: Grey
Game 6: Freestyle

Think of it in terms of ordinary PSST rounds, just the game style alternates in a predictable fashion. Mag knows first game will be turtle, so he puts himself in Game 1. They play, Deto wins. Knowing the next game to be grey, he puts me in. Hool breaks into my house and shoots me in the head ('cause Lord knows he can't beat me in game :p), knowing that I would otherwise school Deto. So in game 3, Mag puts Prof in the freestyle game.

Eagle or someone complained that this makes it impossible for the Deto team. Frankly, that's how this tournament should be if a team gets to that stage where they have basically dominated all styles with their strongest players still alive. When I originally designed this tournament, it was intended as a team tournament, not a tournament where one Omegagalaxy could dominate ten players by just playing freestyle. On the contrary, numbers should matter, and all styles should matter. If the above situation were to happen, then dang, Tartan Army would have massively dominated the other team to have that many top players left with only one remaining on the other team. As such, we should have the earned the right to play our players in their best styles and if Deto can't beat us in our best styles, then the other team should have picked roster more carefully, practiced harder, played better or been more active or something.

If you do it this way, no one can cry unfair, because if your team is down that badly, well, that's what you get for failing so drastically in the first four or five rounds. The reason this is the most fair way is that it allows for the dominant team to capitalize on their advantage. Call me a capitalist, and forgive the political statement, but it applies here: this game is not designed to be a socialist game. Redistributing the 'wealth' (or tactical advantage), at least in this situation, is unjust. If you have a tactical advantage, you earned it, and you should keep it. And if Deto is just that good at all styles, then he deserves to win, but not if he is only that good at one or two styles.

[xEaglex]

Annnnd we have a winner!

This is Mith's tournament, therefore, his rules > all others.

[Maverik07]

Whats wrong with having the captains alternate picking styles?

[Mithrandir]

Whats wrong with having the captains alternate picking styles?

Because it's more of an all around tournament, as well as more of a team tournament, if all styles have to be played equally, and it preserves the earned advantage of the team with more players. Also, as was stated previously in the thread, there are situations when that would reduce a huge advantage (a great player in each style) to a completely non-advantage.

Something like: Deto vs Mag, Prof and Mith. Deto's team gets to pick first, or does after beating the leftover last pick players or inactive ones, so he chooses free against Mag, then Prof chooses free against him, and then he chooses free against me. It's the same situation all over again, where all you have to know is free to win. In a situation like this, it's only just, if Mag, Prof and I have made it this far, that the last player has to play each style and against the players of the other team's choice. He should have to play me in grey, and Prof in free, and Mag in turt.

[Maverik07]

Thats the captain's choice in the end. The captain could've chosen to have you play Deto in grey, if Deto had chosen to play Mag first. Or the captain could've put out Prof first assuming Deto would pick freestyle.

Theres still strategy and mind games to be played by the captains the way i would like it to go and it still takes a tremendous amount of skill for the one player to win.

[Redux]

When I originally designed this tournament, it was intended as a team tournament, not a tournament where one Omegagalaxy could dominate ten players by just playing freestyle.

Man that was brutal. No one invite him.:rolleyes:

[Mithrandir]

Thats the captain's choice in the end. The captain could've chosen to have you play Deto in grey, if Deto had chosen to play Mag first. Or the captain could've put out Prof first assuming Deto would pick freestyle.

Theres still strategy and mind games to be played by the captains the way i would like it to go and it still takes a tremendous amount of skill for the one player to win.

Previously, the suggestion was that it went based on pick order, in which case your suggestion would not be allowed.

If we throw out the pick order thing, then your suggestion is better than the current situation, but still bad for the other reasons I stated. It's an effort to redistribute the advantage.

I think I'll try to bow out of the conversation now. I think my position is clearly stated, and I think if I continue to push on this it will encourage a feeling along the lines of what Eagle just said: that this is my tournament. PSST is my tournament idea, but PSST4 is Meat's tournament, and I have no intention of trying to get in his way. He can do with it what he wants.

[meat.eater]

The problem with that system is, meat, that being the single player left on the team could actually end up being an advantage.

Magician seems to be a popular choice, so lets use him again. Imagine if Mag(4),Prof(5) and Mith(12) is put against up against a freestyler. Its his choice first he beats Mag at free, although the captain would rather use him for turtle, then you pick freestyle for prof, the other freestyler gets lucky and beats prof, then he picks freestyle for mith where his captain would want him to grey obviously.

Situation similar to this could happen. Why not just leave out the ranking in the end altogether?

Every possible solution to the "end game" will have a flaw. In every possible "end game" scenario, luck is involved (just like in ordinary PSST matchups).

However, if you have captains picking order, it's much more easy to contain the advantage. Liek staggering your good players, or placing them in a suitable order to face one opponent. That one opponent has a steep enough hill to climb on his own--he has to go undefeated. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the single player has such an advantage... he doesn't. Deto didn't last year. He just was able to pull it off.

yeah but this is a TEAM tournament. one person on a terrible team shouldn't then have them win psst because of only him.

Precisely. It should not be easy for that person to win out his games. But the very fact that he has to win out is almost hard enough. We don't need to put more constraints on him.

Why can't you just make it easy? When it gets down to a single player, you do a simple rotation.

Game 1: Freestyle
Game 2: Turtle
Game 3: Grey

If it gets to game 4 and higher, just repeat the cycle.

It eliminates the advantage of either team, because it allows the team with more players to select who they want to play where, and honestly, unless he's literally the last choice, the last player on a team is at least mediocre in all three styles.

Because if both players absolutely hate turtling, I'm not going to make them turtle.

I see one problem with the whole "captain decides the order." Say you have 3 high ranked players (Mag, Mith, and Prof) and 3 very low ranked plays (Players A, B, C) against deto. Deto chooses freestyle, you choose Player A. Deto wins. You choose Mag and turtle. Deto pulls off a miraculous win. Deto chooses freestyle again, you choose Player B. I know Deto has to go through all the players, but the captain getting to basically "dump" a less talented player on deto's best style seems like the same impossible situation as the one that IROK suggested.

Exactly. Like I said to Hool, every option has a flaw. But for the system I plan on implementing, nobody has convinced me otherwise (yet), the stars would have to allign perfectly in order to give that unfair advantage to the single player. While in other systems, the advantage is more easily set up by captains or unavoidable.

I've had a long, crummy day, so I didn't read through the thread with great care and precision, and I think this is similar to IROK's suggestion or somebody's, I don't care. I don't claim to be the first to say it, I'm just saying in my own words what I think should happen. I think it's exactly what the legends PSST did, the lone thing I thought went well in that disgraceful tournament.

Detonation's Team (with just detonation) vs Tartan Army (with Mith, Prof, Mag, Eagle, Llrich and Graphics)

Game 1: Turtle
Game 2: Grey
Game 3: Freestyle
Game 4: Turtle
Game 5: Grey
Game 6: Freestyle

Think of it in terms of ordinary PSST rounds, just the game style alternates in a predictable fashion. Mag knows first game will be turtle, so he puts himself in Game 1. They play, Deto wins. Knowing the next game to be grey, he puts me in. Hool breaks into my house and shoots me in the head ('cause Lord knows he can't beat me in game :p), knowing that I would otherwise school Deto. So in game 3, Mag puts Prof in the freestyle game.

Eagle or someone complained that this makes it impossible for the Deto team. Frankly, that's how this tournament should be if a team gets to that stage where they have basically dominated all styles with their strongest players still alive. When I originally designed this tournament, it was intended as a team tournament, not a tournament where one Omegagalaxy could dominate ten players by just playing freestyle. On the contrary, numbers should matter, and all styles should matter. If the above situation were to happen, then dang, Tartan Army would have massively dominated the other team to have that many top players left with only one remaining on the other team. As such, we should have the earned the right to play our players in their best styles and if Deto can't beat us in our best styles, then the other team should have picked roster more carefully, practiced harder, played better or been more active or something.

If you do it this way, no one can cry unfair, because if your team is down that badly, well, that's what you get for failing so drastically in the first four or five rounds. The reason this is the most fair way is that it allows for the dominant team to capitalize on their advantage. Call me a capitalist, and forgive the political statement, but it applies here: this game is not designed to be a socialist game. Redistributing the 'wealth' (or tactical advantage), at least in this situation, is unjust. If you have a tactical advantage, you earned it, and you should keep it. And if Deto is just that good at all styles, then he deserves to win, but not if he is only that good at one or two styles.

This is essential exactly what my system does, but it also gives the single player the ability to have a say in what the game types are as well, without a specific rotation or chosen ranks. He should still get a choice in what style of games he is playing, without being purposely matched up against the goodies with a favorable outcome for the goodies (he's going to have to play them anyways in that situation).

I very much feel that the system I constructed has very little negative externalities and very slim chances of complete luck domination. I have not seen a proposed system that eliminates these as much.

What, specifically, besides Hool's 1/100 situation (which would involve all the good players being every other player and being asked to play in their worst styles in comparison to the one person's style), do you all feel doesn't work about my system?

[Maverik07]

Is the idea you're referring to as yours the one on the front page?

[Geoffrey]

Lets just start this baby? :) I agree with mith though, should go 3 styles in a row and just repeat until the last person is knocked out.

[kingedward]

Now, I like Mith/Jake's idea, but how about something like the team captain with the less team members gets to pick the rotation? And once you get past that, if the two can agree on a different style to play, then let them.

For example, I'll use Slayer, Celtic, Prof, and Mith, just because I'm pretty sure atleast two of them hate turt:

Since Slayer thinks he's best at free, then gray, then turt, then his team captain submits the order as such:

1. free
2. gray
3. turt
4. free
etc.

Now, Slayer gets a scout back block to beat Prof. :p No, but if Slayer manages to beat Prof, and then he beats Mith, that leaves him against Cel in turt. They both hate turt, so they decide that they want to free instead.

I don't really see the problem in this as long as both players agree. If they can't agree, though, say Slayer wants to gray and Cel wants to free, then it goes back tot he predetermined style, turt.

[Hoolwath]

Every possible solution to the "end game" will have a flaw. In every possible "end game" scenario, luck is involved (just like in ordinary PSST matchups).

However, if you have captains picking order, it's much more easy to contain the advantage. Liek staggering your good players, or placing them in a suitable order to face one opponent. That one opponent has a steep enough hill to climb on his own--he has to go undefeated. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the single player has such an advantage... he doesn't. Deto didn't last year. He just was able to pull it off.



Precisely. It should not be easy for that person to win out his games. But the very fact that he has to win out is almost hard enough. We don't need to put more constraints on him.



Because if both players absolutely hate turtling, I'm not going to make them turtle.



Exactly. Like I said to Hool, every option has a flaw. But for the system I plan on implementing, nobody has convinced me otherwise (yet), the stars would have to allign perfectly in order to give that unfair advantage to the single player. While in other systems, the advantage is more easily set up by captains or unavoidable.

That one opponent left is not supposed to have an equal chance at winning. He is not supposed to have any chance at winning. So the worse situation for him the better. Therefore any kind of end game with the team with more players being the better one and having the advantage does not have a flaw. The end game system should HELP the team with the more players, because one player beasting through the other is NOT what this tourney is about and it is considered a flaw of the tournament itself. So make it as bad for the last standing player possible and you have a good end game system.

The worst case scenario for the lone player would be if the opposing captain always chose his weakest style and the best player in that style from his team. It could end up being the boring, because it would come down to one style only. That is why I really like the idea of taking turns in choosing styles. It is just the rank order that creeps me out. I do not see any purpose in it at all. It gives the lone player a big chance to beat atleast some of the top players left only because he picks a style they are bad at. I do not think this option should be even possible. There is no such thing as he has to climb a steep enough hill already - he deserves that, because it is a team tourney.

I offer a compromise, though. How about the captain chooses the order of the players the last opponent has to play before the first game of the end game happens. Like... You will have to play my players in this order: legender, Magician, noob, Mith, another noob.... and so on. The captains will still take turns in choosing the style. This way leaves out the luck possibility of a bad match-up completely, but the last player still knows what to expect, what to train and prepare for.

[BaxVarlet]

We have a bigger PROBLEM then this endgame nonsense.

I am a complete idiot. No, that's not the problem, but is the root of the problem.

There are still about half a dozen people in the old Darkwing Ducks clan.

Most are inactive, so the only way of expelling them is deleting them, which I guess is a tad bit wrong.

So as of now, I have no team clan.

If it's okay with meat, I'll wait until I select my team and we will come up with a cool name. Not as cool, but cool nonetheless.

Bah.

[cekkino]

lol bax yes, that's the biggest problem :D

I wish you all the luck to solve it asap bud :p

[Take a Look]

You guys don't even care who has the best idea - Everyone wants the games to be played by their own rules.

[The Old Timer]

sign me up ill be using Spaces

[The Butcher]

sign me up ill be using Spaces

Sign up correctly and you still won't get picked.

Secondary ch00b!!

[xEaglex]

You guys don't even care who has the best idea - Everyone wants the games to be played by their own rules.

I abandoned my proposal a long time ago. And meat.eater changed his proposal.

*Buzzer*

Wrong.

Regardless of how this turns out, it will still an improvement on last year. So I am happy.

[skev21]

I still think rank order is a bit stupid, they should surely be able to choose who plays when, like they do every other round. Why should it be any different when the opposition gets to their final player?

[Xiahou Dun]

Why can't you just make it easy? When it gets down to a single player, you do a simple rotation.

Game 1: Freestyle
Game 2: Turtle
Game 3: Grey

If it gets to game 4 and higher, just repeat the cycle.

It eliminates the advantage of either team, because it allows the team with more players to select who they want to play where, and honestly, unless he's literally the last choice, the last player on a team is at least mediocre in all three styles.

I've had a long, crummy day, so I didn't read through the thread with great care and precision, and I think this is similar to IROK's suggestion or somebody's, I don't care. I don't claim to be the first to say it, I'm just saying in my own words what I think should happen. I think it's exactly what the legends PSST did, the lone thing I thought went well in that disgraceful tournament.

Detonation's Team (with just detonation) vs Tartan Army (with Mith, Prof, Mag, Eagle, Llrich and Graphics)

Game 1: Turtle
Game 2: Grey
Game 3: Freestyle
Game 4: Turtle
Game 5: Grey
Game 6: Freestyle

Think of it in terms of ordinary PSST rounds, just the game style alternates in a predictable fashion. Mag knows first game will be turtle, so he puts himself in Game 1. They play, Deto wins. Knowing the next game to be grey, he puts me in. Hool breaks into my house and shoots me in the head ('cause Lord knows he can't beat me in game :p), knowing that I would otherwise school Deto. So in game 3, Mag puts Prof in the freestyle game.

Eagle or someone complained that this makes it impossible for the Deto team. Frankly, that's how this tournament should be if a team gets to that stage where they have basically dominated all styles with their strongest players still alive. When I originally designed this tournament, it was intended as a team tournament, not a tournament where one Omegagalaxy could dominate ten players by just playing freestyle. On the contrary, numbers should matter, and all styles should matter. If the above situation were to happen, then dang, Tartan Army would have massively dominated the other team to have that many top players left with only one remaining on the other team. As such, we should have the earned the right to play our players in their best styles and if Deto can't beat us in our best styles, then the other team should have picked roster more carefully, practiced harder, played better or been more active or something.

If you do it this way, no one can cry unfair, because if your team is down that badly, well, that's what you get for failing so drastically in the first four or five rounds. The reason this is the most fair way is that it allows for the dominant team to capitalize on their advantage. Call me a capitalist, and forgive the political statement, but it applies here: this game is not designed to be a socialist game. Redistributing the 'wealth' (or tactical advantage), at least in this situation, is unjust. If you have a tactical advantage, you earned it, and you should keep it. And if Deto is just that good at all styles, then he deserves to win, but not if he is only that good at one or two styles.

Annnnd we have a winner!

This is Mith's tournament, therefore, his rules > all others.

These are indeed pretty much exactly the rules we came up with for the Legends PSST last year. This is the real reason they meet so much opposal. They're actually pretty solid. :P

[meat.eater]

skev and Mith have had a very good point. So I'm going to employ that.

Here's my concern with a rotation: one team is eventually going to run out of people who actually have any desiring in turtling. So why should they HAVE to represent someone in turtling? Furthermore, detonation got to the point that he did ONLY playing freestyle. So he should have the option to play freestyle, without the other team avoiding the style in which he was assigned to play.

So here's my compromise:

Instead of a rotation, the Captain will assign each player on his team a specific style. He will submit the sheet that shows the styles for each player to me, each style is required to have at least one player in the originally submitted sheet. Detonation and his captain will then submit the order in which he would like to play the games (freestyle, gray, turtle). The first game will take all the freestylers on the list submitted to me by the captain and assign one of them, randomly, to play detonation. If detonation wins, it moves on to the gray game, at which time one of the gray players from the list will be randomly assigned to play detonation. And so on.

This way, the opposing team with a larger force can still assign their players where they wish, but the single opponent may not run into the good ones first (he will eventually), and he can make freestyle games (the style in which he specialized in) put in a specific order.

If a specific style runs out from the opposing team, then detonation has beat all of the grays and there will be no gray games. And the rotation would continue with freestyle, turtle, freestyle, turtle. Opponents still assigned randomly.

This kind of combines mine and Mith's ideas.

Thoughts?

[Greed]

I like.

[A-99]

We have a bigger PROBLEM then this endgame nonsense.

I am a complete idiot. No, that's not the problem, but is the root of the problem.

There are still about half a dozen people in the old Darkwing Ducks clan.

Most are inactive, so the only way of expelling them is deleting them, which I guess is a tad bit wrong.

So as of now, I have no team clan.

If it's okay with meat, I'll wait until I select my team and we will come up with a cool name. Not as cool, but cool nonetheless.

Bah.

Your pigheadedness is really starting to get annoying Bax. You should have thought of this earlier. Geez man, geez.

[skev21]

Good compromise, I don't see an issue with it and it will probably be as close to fair and pleasing everyone concerned as possible.

[Nightmarez]

I suppose I'll join.

GL to everyone.

[meat.eater]

Join in the right thread in the proper format, please.

[Nightmarez]

Ahh looked to fast...

[The Butcher]

Looks good meat.

/2-cents

[Hoolwath]

skev and Mith have had a very good point. So I'm going to employ that.

Here's my concern with a rotation: one team is eventually going to run out of people who actually have any desiring in turtling. So why should they HAVE to represent someone in turtling? Furthermore, detonation got to the point that he did ONLY playing freestyle. So he should have the option to play freestyle, without the other team avoiding the style in which he was assigned to play.

So here's my compromise:

Instead of a rotation, the Captain will assign each player on his team a specific style. He will submit the sheet that shows the styles for each player to me, each style is required to have at least one player in the originally submitted sheet. Detonation and his captain will then submit the order in which he would like to play the games (freestyle, gray, turtle). The first game will take all the freestylers on the list submitted to me by the captain and assign one of them, randomly, to play detonation. If detonation wins, it moves on to the gray game, at which time one of the gray players from the list will be randomly assigned to play detonation. And so on.

This way, the opposing team with a larger force can still assign their players where they wish, but the single opponent may not run into the good ones first (he will eventually), and he can make freestyle games (the style in which he specialized in) put in a specific order.

If a specific style runs out from the opposing team, then detonation has beat all of the grays and there will be no gray games. And the rotation would continue with freestyle, turtle, freestyle, turtle. Opponents still assigned randomly.

This kind of combines mine and Mith's ideas.

Thoughts?

I liked your previous idea much more if you just dropped the rank order.

This idea is still better than the one with the rank order so I am fine with that. Although, it seems a bit over complicated.

[Maverik07]

I agree with Hool.

Your other idea was fine, if you would just drop the rank order. As a backup, your new plan is fine.

[I'malive24/7]

Solution to problems with one-man teams: bring in teh bots.

That was a great year :P

[Lieutenant]

In the event of a detonation-like situation that happened last year, teams will alternate turns in deciding styles in which to play (final say is on captain). There is no debate.
Any questions, ask.

Yeah, I've got one. Why are people afraid of deto, isnt' he a noob? :p

EDIT: On a serious note, I am somewhat disconcerned with TAL points. I am not a TAL whore like last season (thankfully), but I think the quantity is quite short. Last year I believe I whined like an idiot because they gave 13 TAL to winning captain (1 more than being a GS winner). Evidently, this tourney has already more than 130 people, and I'm sure more TAL should be gained, since it's a lot harder to buy something with TAL, so I'm pretty sure that you get more TAL with a GS than in a PSST. And, I think PSST is like.... x3 bigger than a GS.

Point is, I think more points should be awarded to MVP, Winning team and Captain, if you want to make it in a way that it looks reasonable to TAL points.

[Detonation]

Knowing the next game to be grey, he puts me in. Hool breaks into my house and shoots me in the head ('cause Lord knows he can't beat me in game :p), knowing that I would otherwise school Deto.


:*dwarf::butcher::*paladin::*orc:

[greendaybum5]

:*dwarf::butcher::*paladin::*orc:

says it all without even saying a word

[meat.eater]

It's draft time!

[Big Zeus]

What are you noobs (captains) waiting for??? ZEUS should be taken by now!! :angry:

[Silver Coast]

Zeusy is God.

Wait.. what? You signed up for this?

[Redux]

What are you noobs (captains) waiting for??? ZEUS should be taken by now!! :angry:

Sigh* I know how you feel. Nobody remembers me. :(

[Ol' Time]

In the 90s....wow.

[hot potato]

go team xeaglex

[shurtugal]

:dry:

[The Anti]

Shurt's nervous I'm gonna get picked before him. :p

[Dream]

That was fun. Go Darkwing Ducks.

[Lord Shinok]

The ninai pick was unfair. Ninai was not on the draft list, and Bax picked Ninai without letting the other captains know about it.

[Lost.Boy]

not even picked finally. time to take tartan army out.

[trugreatness20]

I just want to post and say nicely done to Mav and AFO for picking two steller teams. The other two are gonna get train run on them :) Oh yea HH FTW!

NEDDDDDDDDD THISSSSSSSSSS SHJTTTTTTTTTT!

[Duraza]

Good pick, I hate being picked high like I was last PSST that I was in. Too much pressure >.>

Anyways, like I said, don't play me until a later round, I'm going to be gone for 3 weeks and may not have access to a computer. I'm also sending this to xEaglex.

[Pikachu!]

I was picked 21st?!?!?!??!!??!!?

:o

[Xiahou Dun]

I was picked 21st?!?!?!??!!??!!?

:o

*Puts pressure on you*

[BaxVarlet]

Everyone on my team. We are brainstorming team names. PM them to me, or post here, I don't really care.

They have to be witty, and it they're not, I'll openly make fun of you.

[Maverik07]

High Heat, pick a team name for us.

You're also in charge of keeping morale on the team high.

[One Last Chance]

Everyone on my team. We are brainstorming team names. PM them to me, or post here, I don't really care.

They have to be witty, and it they're not, I'll openly make fun of you.

i saw last year u led Darkwing Ducks, why not bring them back ? :bigsmile:

[A-99]

The Draft!


4. BaxVarlet
(4) *Machiavelli*
(5) Detonation
(12) Bludhoundz
(13) Frylock
(20) Nomadic Methods
(21) Pikachu
(28) gigolojlo
(29) A-99
(36) Sacred Silence
(37) Reymo
(44) Match Strike
(45) The Butcher
(52) Priest
(53) StupidCowsCantSwim
(60) vintage
(61) Dream
(68) El Cid
(69) meat.eater
(76) Flash Demon
(77) ChainHeart
(84) Notorious
(85) Freedom Fighter
(92) Ninai
(93) Gypsy
(100) I'malive24/7
(101) LosPollos
(108) lost.boy
(109) ~Elven~Blood
(116) HatchetKlown17
(117) Wisher
(124) Loopget
(125) $t. Anger
(132) KickAssPlaya
(133) One Last Chance



ELIGIBLE DRAFT POOL (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1584221&postcount=2)


DD Reunion FTW :cool:. Oh, and we got fry!

[BaxVarlet]

We're Darkwing Ducks 2.0

No need to put in names now.

[Mithrandir]

AFO's team is going to pwn this.:bigsmile:

[The Anti]

Mav, what are we going to do for a name?

EDIT: Nvm. HH has got this. :p

[Rubbish]

Lets get the party started, yo.
Victorious Secret for the mf win!

[Redux]

Everyone on my team. We are brainstorming team names. PM them to me, or post here, I don't really care.

They have to be witty, and it they're not, I'll openly make fun of you.

Why so serious?:rolleyes:

[vintage]

Is it acceptable to change the account I will be playing on from vintage to (''\ (*,.,*) /'') ??

I would prefer to keep vintage in SI and move my other account into Darkwing Ducks 2.0.


EDIT: Currently (''\ (*,.,*) /'') is in Darkwing Ducks 2.0. That will be the account I use for PSST4 unless someone yells at me. :)

[The Professor?]

Our team looks wicked.

[Dark7]

The Draft!

1. |AFO| : Victorious Secret
(1) The Professor
(8) Lieutenant
(9) Lemon
(16) Rubbish
(17) Creed
(24) Mithrandir
(25) Darkfire Phoenix
(32) DMD
(33) Fearliss
(40) Firebrand
(41) The Arena
(48) skev21
(49) Phillysoul29
(56) Realist
(57) Lord Shinok
(64) spencer555
(65) Punishment
(72) Boreal
(73) Imagination
(80) Dark*Dragon
(81) 3000 stat
(88) cross-fire
(89) Wolfman
(96) *zoro*
(97) ubah
(104) FLAWLESS
(105) Garack
(112) tyrant dragon666
(113) Punisher/Uk
(120) Antikas Karios
(121) Nightmarez
(128) Lex
(129) Burnout278
(136) tidge87



ELIGIBLE DRAFT POOL (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1584221&postcount=2)

WTF was was puni not picked top 20? reguardless of ban or not, hell be able to play in 2 rounds...

[Redux]

Thats the first pick that stands out to you?:rolleyes:

[Maverik07]

Puni sucks now.

And hes still a liability to get banned in the future.

[The Professor?]

But the upside is so good...especially at that pick. Admit it, your jealous. ;)

[Lieutenant]

They're jelous they weren't picked for AFO's team. By the way to everyone in my team: We'll pwn. :)

[Master TAO]

Good job to all the captains, i thought they all did reasonably well.
This will be alot of fun :)

[Hoolwath]

Uuuuuf AFO got himself a good team. Very well done. Excellent pick order and what not. He got a lot of good guys late. Very very strong team.




They will come second right behind us.

[ZADICO]

18...:s

[BOHEMOTH]

Allright, our team is gonna own, it's on!!!

[Zander]

I would like to lodge a formal complaint about someone picking -57- before me.
That is all.

[Nitanius Nolund]

AFO's team wins because it has the best name.

[Supersmiley :-)]

I wasn't pick last!

[Nitanius Nolund]

We're Darkwing Ducks 2.0

No need to put in names now.

Didn't you guys lose it all last time?

I can't wait for the repeat ^^

Me and Hool on the same team again? Sweeeeeeeeeet.

[Rubbish]

AFO's team has the best team and name.
:D

[spencer 555]

I already lose for not being picked before tugnus.. that fat bastard :P

Anyways, teams look pretty balanced, I think our teams lookin pretty good AFO. GL everyone.

[Punishment]

Puni sucks now.

And hes still a liability to get banned in the future.

I could still beat you if it was a tourney game for sure. :)

But the upside is so good...especially at that pick. Admit it, your jealous. ;)

yay team.

WTF was was puni not picked top 20? reguardless of ban or not, hell be able to play in 2 rounds...

People are silly gooses :p

[Fearliss]

Good luck to AFO's team... we pwn,

But honestly I was quite surprised as to the number in which I was picked http://tacticsarena.com/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Pikachu!]

Good luck to AFO's team... we pwn,

But honestly I was quite surprised as to the number in which I was picked http://tacticsarena.com/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif



They knew you beat me in the dropless tournament for gray; I was picked 6th round :confused:

[Fearliss]

They knew you beat me in the dropless tournament for gray; I was picked 6th round :confused:

I still insist that I didn't play as good as I nearly could have in the dropless open as a whole. :(

Good job getting picked, you probably gonna freestyle? :cool:

[Ol' Time]

blahblahblah

[burnout-278]

i cant beleive afo actaully picked me lmao

[Greed]

Mav's team is looking...terrible.

Cmon mav, late to the draft, no team clan or name, and the draft....oh boy.

We'll see though, we all love upsets.

That's the spirit!

[Master TAO]

lmao you guys are terrible, give mav a break i thought he made some insightful picks.

[Ol' Time]

There were some good picks yeah, but some real blunders.

[trugreatness20]

Mav's team is looking...terrible.

Cmon mav, late to the draft, no team clan or name, and the draft....oh boy.

We'll see though, we all love upsets.

You serious right now? First off we are going to be just fine. Worse comes to worse i can take on a whole team by myself. Secondly Mav did just fine he has a life so dont knock him for being late. ALSO we got High Heat therefore we win this, so shut the eff up :)

Edit: and thirdly i move our team be name NEDDDD THISSSSS, High Heat will know what im talking about.

[Ol' Time]

I now love mav and his team.

[pils]

127
I think that's pretty close to double what I was last time... Its fitting.
Now I don't have to worry quite as much about disappointing. I'm really glad to be on Eagle's team, and I'm excited to train with all of you. Looks to be a pretty solid team, and ought to be a lot of fun.

[Celtic34]

llrich , maybe you should post something like that after getting past the first round so you don't look like an idiot 100% of the time after losing in the first round.

[Soda]

Sigh.

EDIT: Killer team AFO, surprised you picked up the players yo udid so late.

[Master TAO]

lol the drama has started! loving it.

[Match Strike]

First PSST I've done where I wasn't picked too high. What is the world coming to?

[Lord Shinok]

llrich , maybe you should post something like that after getting past the first round so you don't look like an idiot 100% of the time after losing in the first round.

Yeah, like he lost to me in the first round in PSST3. :D He stopped talking smack afterward. LOL

[Lieutenant]

Against Shinny? I would blow my brains off if I lose against Shinny. :p

[shurtugal]

Against Shinny? I would blow my brains off if I lose against Shinny. :p

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1590584&postcount=499

:rolleyes:

[Nomadic Methods]

lol, good find

By the way, looks like the pressure is on AFO's team since everyones jockin them for being so incredible on paper. Don't choke the win away :p

[Redux]

AFO's team is overrated.

[|AFO|]

Your mom is a dirty whore.

[burnout-278]

tru dat

[-57-]

I would like to lodge a formal complaint about someone picking -57- before me.
That is all.

Not nice!

:(

[Nitanius Nolund]

I gelpd ock AFO's team. So I ROK.

But 31? Who picks me ast 31? I feel oblgiatasted to win now. Not cool Easgle.

[|AFO|]

I gelpd AFO's ock. \

Wait... I don't remember this.. =\

[Nitanius Nolund]

I have AIN conversatkns fool!

[Nitanius Nolund]

Beastis peoplase arkready know (i.e meats)

And Isll admit, I stopped haSlpin after I got picedk.

[|AFO|]

AIN is down 0.29 =S

Good double post.

[Shiznit]

130th pick, for the win.

That's a real kick in the nads.

[|AFO|]

Lol. Not really sure why that post was so funny... But it was. ^^

[Greed]

Beastis peoplase arkready know (i.e meats)

And Isll admit, I stopped haSlpin after I got picedk.

Don't come on the forums if you're drunk.

[Geoffrey]

Eh, cheers for picking me Eagle. Shall be a good tourney.

[Matzer]

Thanks xeaglex :)
Let's pwn some asses now :)

[Elphias Doge]

74th pick is a bit of a downgrade from 24th last time round :P

I knew Eagle would be the one who picked me though, he's the only person I've played with since I came back minus beating Bloody-Killer but that doesn't count :P

[Stiven]

This tourney look really interesting :).

[Antikas Karios]

120th hmm?

Arousing...

*Flexes*

[shurtugal]

Not nice!

:(

Everyone tried to get you picked at 57 or 75.

[The Butcher]

45th pick?!?

Holy shit...

:wub: baxxy

[Silver Coast]

Well AFO's Team wins the sickest name award. :p

Since FB is on our team.. *cough* make us a userbar *cough*

[BaxVarlet]

Well AFO's Team wins the sickest name award. :p

Since FB is on our team.. *cough* make us a userbar *cough*

Too bad AFO didn't come with the name himself. Would have been a lot cooler.

[Dark7]

i want clan by the time im on lunch break.

[Memory of Light]

dude mav's team is like absol central.

but anyways, may i be the first to say in a serious manner:
Mav's team will dominate.

[xEaglex]

dude mav's team is like absol central.

but anyways, may i be the first to say in a serious manner:
Mav's team will dominate.

Nice oxymoron.

[Silver Coast]

74th pick is a bit of a downgrade from 24th last time round :P
I knew Eagle would be the one who picked me though, he's the only person I've played with since I came back minus beating Bloody-Killer but that doesn't count :P

You're not the only one. I was the 25th pick last year if my memory is correct. :(

[Snowolf]

Good luck everyone.

[Reymo]

Nice I'm in Bax's team. Good luck everyone.

[One Last Chance]

You serious right now? First off we are going to be just fine. Worse comes to worse i can take on a whole team by myself. Secondly Mav did just fine he has a life so dont knock him for being late. ALSO we got High Heat therefore we win this, so shut the eff up :)

Edit: and thirdly i move our team be name NEDDDD THISSSSS, High Heat will know what im talking about.

U take a whole team, chain almost beats u now-a-days, lmfao, well GL and GG (if we play) to everyone.

[The Butcher]

U take a whole team, chain almost beats u now-a-days, lmfao, well GL and GG (if we play) to everyone.

Shut up.

[StupidCows]

Butcher... you realize he's talking smack to llrich... on another team. Have team spirit you boob!

[Pikachu!]

Butcher... you realize he's talking smack to llrich... on another team. Have team spirit you boob!

How sure are you that Butcher wasn't joking? ;)

[The Butcher]

Well, of course I enjoy a good smack talk...

However, he's smack talking a buddy of mine, and using chain as part of his assault,

That looks bad on our team ;)

[I'malive24/7]

100th pick? It's higher than i expected, but worse than I deserve.

Time for some upsets.

[Unforgottner]

ED, HH, and I on a team?

I have an erection already.

[Silver Coast]

What's scary is that I totally believe that statement..

[Ragnarth]

Ugh... I cant even see a possible turt team in mine. And i certanly would hate to play against Afo's turt team, it looks scary :p.
Anyway... who knows. Good luck to everyone.

[TyrantDragon666]

afo i need an invite to victorious secret, whenever you log on, check legends for me if i am not on fps

[trugreatness20]

Rag we will be fine. I am god, plussssss we got a ton of other skilled people who can do multiple thangs like Sol this is gonna be fun fun fun, but mostly I AM GOD :)

[Dark7]

yeah llrich me you mav, rag , sol and ED need to talk about our roster. We still need a clan guys cmon.

[Punishment]

Rag was a crappy 3rd pick.

[Ol' Time]

Rag was a crappy 3rd pick.

I'm not really sure, he can def tear up most of turt.

[Dark7]

Rag was a crappy 3rd pick.

yeah you were a crappy 65th pick, anything below 100 was way too good for you. Thoes 2 rounds on the bench make a huge difference.

[Lord Shinok]

afo i need an invite to victorious secret, whenever you log on, check legends for me if i am not on fps

Check your Private Message. :)

[skev21]

Not if they have no-one left that can beat him by then, we won't need Pun until the finals anyway so it's not important, he's just gonna be there to make the win easier :p

[Dark7]

Seriously mav's team we need a clan, im going to make one after work, im on my lunch now. We gotta get organized and make a team effort on the roster.

[Lord Shinok]

I don't see how it's so hard to come up with a name. Mav could have already done that before the draft started.

[Punishment]

I'm not really sure, he can def tear up most of turt.

No he can't. I beat him 3 times in a row.. each by 7+ units and including a flawless in same side turtles just a week or two ago...

yeah you were a crappy 65th pick, anything below 100 was way too good for you. Thoes 2 rounds on the bench make a huge difference.

Truth.

[Lord Shinok]

No he can't. I beat him 3 times in a row.. each by 7+ units and including a flawless in same side turtles just a week or two ago...

That's hot. Glad to have you on my team. :D

[bludhoundz]

Ugh... I cant even see a possible turt team in mine. And i certanly would hate to play against Afo's turt team, it looks scary :p.
Anyway... who knows. Good luck to everyone.

AFO's team looks really strong overall.. but I'd have to say I think Eagle could stack his turtle more than AFO.

[The Antibiotic]

Ugh... I cant even see a possible turt team in mine. And i certanly would hate to play against Afo's turt team, it looks scary :p.
Anyway... who knows. Good luck to everyone.

Yeah I noticed that problem when I was looking at our roster as well, we're good in grey and free though. Anyways I'm a fairly decent turtler and can help out there, although some practice games with you would be helpful.

[|AFO|]

AFO's team looks really strong overall.. but I'd have to say I think Eagle could stack his turtle more than AFO.

On paper he has a better turtle team right now... Though our turtle team's potential is quite high. It appears we would take free and grey though. But this is all speculation... Can't say for sure.

[Maverik07]

Holy shit. You guys are a bunch of whiners. Any more whining and im just going to bench all of you and me and llrich will be the only ones playing. We have a pretty solid team. AFO made some solid choices and probably has the best team, but we definitely have players who can take his. If worse comes to worse, we have HH on our team, so all is good.

Be thankful you arent on Eagle's or Bax's team at least :p

And lets hope we dont get AFO first round.

[Justice]

As long as snowolf stays on the bench our team won't be too bad.

[Dark7]

team clan plx

[One Last Chance]

afo i need an invite to victorious secret, whenever you log on, check legends for me if i am not on fps

so, ur actually playing ? chain told me bout you, let me know what style your playing, i wanna try it vs ya.

[Maverik07]

My team:

PM me team name ideas. Im way busy with life and stuff and havent really had time to come up with anything clever/funny. Our name has to top AFO's, since the other two names suck.

[The Butcher]

so, ur actually playing ? chain told me bout you, let me know what style your playing, i wanna try it vs ya.

Stop talking about chain.

[Justice]

My team:

PM me team name ideas. Im way busy with life and stuff and havent really had time to come up with anything clever/funny. Our name has to top AFO's, since the other two names suck.

Pretty Rave Girls

[Dark7]

My team:

PM me team name ideas. Im way busy with life and stuff and havent really had time to come up with anything clever/funny. Our name has to top AFO's, since the other two names suck.

Netjak without the suck
Scarebears
Bad Horses

[~KC~]

Edit: I actually like scarebears. :p

[Justice]

Out of the Closet

[One Last Chance]

Stop talking about chain.


I Know he's hated here, but still, give the dude a break, your the only person i've seen harp on him this bad, what did he do to piss you off anyways ? and a word of advice, forgive and forget, it's a god damn game.

[A-99]

Stop talking about chain.

I Know he's hated here, but still, give the dude a break, your the only person i've seen harp on him this bad, what did he do to piss you off anyways ? and a word of advice, forgive and forget, it's a god damn game.

Aight both of you need to calm down. Regardless of what either of you have said about each other/friends this needs to stop. We're on a team now and I'd like to see some team spirit. I'm not the captain or a mod or anyone important, but I don't want to see either of arguing anymore.

[Greed]

Stop talking about chain.

You guys are both on the same team, so why don't we all just stop the hating. Where is the love?

Cool, steal my thunder, A-99.

[Ol' Time]

As long as snowolf stays on the bench our team won't be too bad.

Please.

[A-99]

Early bird gets the worm.


Late bird gets the...er dungball?

[One Last Chance]

Aight both of you need to calm down. Regardless of what either of you have said about each other/friends this needs to stop. We're on a team now and I'd like to see some team spirit. I'm not the captain or a mod or anyone important, but I don't want to see either of arguing anymore.

Okay, and i did show spirit, i told llrich how badly he sucked :)

[Lord Shinok]

Okay, and i did show spirit, i told llrich how badly he sucked :)

Who are you?

[Ragnarth]

No he can't. I beat him 3 times in a row.. each by 7+ units and including a flawless in same side turtles just a week or two ago...



Truth.

Congrats Punishment. Good to know you judge me by those friendly ( what i thought till now) games. I wont judge you for our last game, your dsm rush vs my turt. And ive not been flawlessed since 2003, so dont lie.

We were ( or it seems it was only me ) chilling in our games. I am a bit disapointed you are clamming you beat me in those games.

If in any case our team has to play vs afos team i would like to challenge you to a turt game.

[The Antibiotic]

Who are you?
Probably chain.

[The Butcher]

Congrats Punishment. Good to know you judge me by those friendly ( what i thought till now) games. I wont judge you for our last game, your dsm rush vs my turt. And ive not been flawlessed since 2003, so dont lie.

We were ( or it seems it was only me ) chilling in our games. I am a bit disapointed you are clamming you beat me in those games.

If in any case our team has to play vs afos team i would like to challenge you to a turt game.

You are like... the excuse king..

Don't get me wrong, Punishment is probably embellishing a bit, but you are never hard to find when someone says they beat you.

[Punishment]

Congrats Punishment. Good to know you judge me by those friendly ( what i thought till now) games. I wont judge you for our last game, your dsm rush vs my turt. And ive not been flawlessed since 2003, so dont lie.

We were ( or it seems it was only me ) chilling in our games. I am a bit disapointed you are clamming you beat me in those games.

If in any case our team has to play vs afos team i would like to challenge you to a turt game.

They were friendly.

And i did flawless you when you said you knew the strategy. I believe my wisp got all 5 of your mobile units :p

I just don't htink you were the best 3rd pick - They probably could have picked you upat #6 or #11. You're still all good in my book, though you made the games somewhat unfriendly when you whined and said i had given away all my strategies and you had given away none :p

[trugreatness20]

Guys guys guys in all seriousness (sorry for the post earlier i was still drunk from lats nigght), we should be named "Smash in your Face" or "We Keep Our Hoes in Check" i know they are rather long but they are dope none the less.

[One Last Chance]

Who are you?

a legends vetaran.

[trugreatness20]

Chain shut up, you are not a vet by any means. Thanks :)

[Take a Look]

Rofl!

[Ragnarth]

They were friendly.

And i did flawless you when you said you knew the strategy. I believe my wisp got all 5 of your mobile units :p

I just don't htink you were the best 3rd pick - They probably could have picked you upat #6 or #11. You're still all good in my book, though you made the games somewhat unfriendly when you whined and said i had given away all my strategies and you had given away none :p

Oh well, all depends on your experience playing me. For example, Mav have played me mostly in tourney games in which i usually play better than in random games ( when i am usually drunk ). So thats why he probably picked me that early. I have always played like crap in random games against bax, so i was sure he would not picked me early. I doubt xeaglex really knows how i play. And AFO told me he was going to pick prof, then snipe, then me.

You probably woulda picked another guys, and me too. But i think it was unnecesary and a bit cocky from your part to say what you said. If you really thought it was unfrienly what i said you coulda told me as i am telling you what i think now. Anyway, good luck to your team.

Oh, and it seems i have a secret fun that always comments every post i make.

[One Last Chance]

Chain shut up, you are not a vet by any means. Thanks :)

1. Not Chain

2. I'm a vet from Legends, ask xEaglex.

3. Blow Me.