TAO Rankings: Clan Rankings [Archive] - Tactics Arena Community Forums

BrutalRage

06-20-2009, 08:04 PM

On legends I maintained a minimum 1300+ stats to be counted in clan rankings. In my opinion, it was better than going against the top 100 cause more people would be able to contribute to clan ranking. But this is a bad way to go on FPS. Restricting to 1300+ doesn't even include the top 100.

Basically, I'm thinking about making clan rankings based on the top 100 like the netjak site's clan rankings. But what do you think? Should we give the option to show rankings based on top 100 (default), top 200, top 300, etc? Or should we base it on stats? If we base it on stats, should golds and grays be given different stat limits? Should we have different limits for different servers? What do you think makes sense for the clan rankings?

Lll Weezy

06-20-2009, 08:23 PM

Golds and grays should be given a dif stat limit because no gray would waste their time to get to 1300 and get deleted..

And keep it at top 100

I think clan ranks should be at least 1100+ or 1200+..

(so grays could come into too)

Shiznit

06-20-2009, 08:42 PM

Top 100, 200, etc..

I think the stat limit thing would be too much info.

Loopget

06-20-2009, 09:08 PM

1100+ for greys 1200+ for gold's i'd say

_Thunder_

06-20-2009, 11:17 PM

1100+ for greys 1200+ for gold's i'd say

1200 for gold? a baby could do that.

T Solo

06-20-2009, 11:18 PM

1100+ for greys 1200+ for gold's i'd say

Sounds Fair.

Lll Weezy

06-20-2009, 11:49 PM

The gold limit should be kept to 1300+ and the gray limit should be lowered...

and _thunder_ what is your account?..

Loopget

06-21-2009, 10:28 PM

nah, 1100 is good for a grey, and yeah 1300 for gold

BrutalRage

06-22-2009, 06:28 AM

Loopget, now you've said you want 1300+ and 1200+ for gold. Typo anywhere?

And I guess you guys asking for various stat limits don't like the top 100 by default with configurable top 200/300/etc idea? If I'm right, why?

Lll Weezy

06-23-2009, 06:38 PM

tactic loid

06-23-2009, 11:11 PM

i would say 1200+ Grey and 1300 Gold its perfection =P

http://defenderofchaos.lefora.com

Loopget

06-24-2009, 01:36 AM

Loopget, now you've said you want 1300+ and 1200+ for gold. Typo anywhere?

Well, originally 1200 was the stats for gold that came to mind, but then 1200 can be done in the beat of a heart, which is why i thought of 1300, or maybe 1250 so that my mind can just be put at rest.

1100 is still good for a grey though

PS. if any of this isnt making sense its because its 2:30 AM

Lll Weezy

06-28-2009, 06:02 PM

So brutal.. what is it at ?

BrutalRage

06-30-2009, 03:41 PM

It's still at 1300+ for everybody. I'm frustrated by the lack of counter arguments to my favorite idea of making it configurable to top 100/200/300. I'm tempted to just screw what you guys think and go with that plan. ;)

Jeffery

06-30-2009, 03:56 PM

BrutalRage

06-30-2009, 04:34 PM

Why not offer all options?

*cracks his whip*

Cause I agree with one person who posted in this thread in that I don't want it too complicated. There is such a thing as too many options.

Jeffery

06-30-2009, 05:15 PM

Cause I agree with one person who posted in this thread in that I don't want it too complicated. There is such a thing as too many options.
You can never have too much fun.

As for the options... You have what,4different options? Original, Top100, Top200,Top300?

You can have a link to a Clan Rankings page, then a simple drop down to choose which to display.

For informational purposes,this might actually be quite interesting. A clan could have few Top100 players, but have a ton load in the 200-300 range, and outrank the others.

Bite Fight

10-13-2009, 01:52 PM

You can never have too much fun.

As for the options... You have what,4different options? Original, Top100, Top200,Top300?

You can have a link to a Clan Rankings page, then a simple drop down to choose which to display.

For informational purposes,this might actually be quite interesting. A clan could have few Top100 players, but have a ton load in the 200-300 range, and outrank the others.

WORD!

I love the idea of top 100/200/300 BR.

Do it!!!!!!!! top 100 - 300 would be pwn-sauce. :D

BR you're awesome-sauce!!!

BrutalRage

10-13-2009, 04:16 PM

Bite Fight knows how to motivate me. It is done. But unlike Jeffery suggested, the original version is not available. It is a simple top 300, 200, or 100 across all servers. 300 is default.

shurtugal

10-13-2009, 11:47 PM

And what do you do on Banff when it reaches the 750's? (which it will). Go by alphabetical order?

Judgement scout

10-14-2009, 05:59 AM

I'm a 1200 grey and i would say the 1100 because i have been working hard to get 1300 and i have been stat raped alot so i know how it feels as a grey but if you keep 1300 to everybody thenit would mostly be who has better golds even tho some grey's can get to 1300. the 300/200/100 would be alright i guess or the 1100 for grey and 1300 for gold eather one would work out.

*MM*

10-14-2009, 07:19 AM

I see you've already implmeneted this. But why is the 300 on default? Shouldn't 100 be?

BrutalRage

10-14-2009, 07:24 AM

And what do you do on Banff when it reaches the 750's? (which it will). Go by alphabetical order?

Yes, that is how the player rankings are sorted. Easy to see for yourself. If you don't like that, then win some stats. But even if there are a bunch of 750's, they'll probably be clanless and at the bottom of the pile anyway and wouldn't effect clan rankings.

@MM

I use a default of 300 cause of my preference for a larger pool of people to contribute to clan rankings, where possible.

Sebba

10-14-2009, 02:40 PM

To be honest I think a top 100 only would be more challenging for the clan ranks, yet again harder for all the greys to contribute... Sure the top 300 makes it a bit too easy to gain points for any clan, yet again, not that many are active and hardly any greys get on the top 100.

BrutalRage

10-14-2009, 05:53 PM

Also keep in mind that even if the top 300 players contribute to clan points, the people in the 200-300 range only give a few points compared to the people in the top 100. It balances. For example, On GL Netjak is higher ranked 6th right now and excessive force is ranked 7th. Netjak only has 10 ranked players, while excessive force has 13 ranked players. Quality > Quantity.

*MM*

10-15-2009, 03:16 AM

I reaaaaly thing it should be the top 100 as default. You only need 1020 to contribute to clan rankings with it set as 300, which is pretty pathetic. Some of the clans which have a lot of lower-ranked accounts are much higher than some of the more elite clans. The badasses are 8th... While CG jumped to 3rd place.

Lll Weezy

10-15-2009, 07:05 AM

Could you not put like, "to be ranked as a gray you must have 1200 stats" or something? And then on rev.. All golds should be 1250 to contribute to the rankings? Because that would be way better than the 100-200-300 thing..

BrutalRage

10-15-2009, 07:14 AM

Again, there is a balance. Even though I pointed out an example where Quality > Quantity, quantity does count, too. For example, let's pretend the #1 ranked player created a clan. He's got top player rankings position, but does that mean his clan deserves to be top ranked as well even though he's the only one in it? No. As #1, he gives his clan 300 points. Even if some noob clan had 100 ranked players from 200-300, that is still less than 300 points. Cause the quality of being #1 outweights the quantity of 100 accounts at the bottom of the barrel. But if a good clan had even 2 players in the top 50, then they'll have more than 300 points. Cause they've got a good balance of quantity and quality.

And I think 1020 stats is pretty decent - especially for grays. But stats doesn't matter in the clan rankings anyway. If you truly understand what I'm saying about balance, then you might find that having default top 300 isn't bad at all. And if you looked at WHY the badassess are ranked lower than that other clan, then you might find that they should be ranked lower. They're a new and small clan. They need to raise their rankings or increase the size of their membership if they want to outrank other clans that have been around longer.

Lll Weezy

10-15-2009, 09:29 AM

Sounds good with me, hope you come up with more updates :).

Most Unknown

10-15-2009, 12:02 PM

sounds good to me to brutalrage

Bite Fight

10-15-2009, 02:03 PM

YAY..I MOTIVATED YOU TO DO IT!...Lol I feel special! :p

BR this is a GREAT way..ty so much :D <3

naena

10-15-2009, 05:59 PM

I think that the clan rankings should be irrelevant of the absolute stat rating, which means, for example, that nickname would contribute to the whole clan rating if and only if he would be in the first n_i of players on the server, where i would distinguish between gray and gold players. This constant could be set by simply comparing the stat distributions of the both groups of players and thus choosing a reasonable one by the percentage from the whole number of players in the given group and their density. This way the problems with increasing/decreasing amount of good/bad players would be solved. The number n_i could be calculated for example once a day and posted at taorankings, with the sentence like: "If you have at least /insert(stat of the (n_gold)'th player) stat as a gold, or /insert(stat of the (n_grey)'th player) as a grey, you contribute to your clan ranking."

South Side

10-15-2009, 06:26 PM

This is a great way for greys not to get bored with their accounts and quit

Lll Weezy

10-16-2009, 12:54 AM

This is a great way for greys not to get bored with their accounts and quit

Just to let you know that most of the new gray players don't know anything about taorankings when they first start.

Japtch

10-16-2009, 02:21 PM

Just to let you know that most of the new gray players don't know anything about taorankings when they first start.

That's why we fill them in any time possible.

redreoicy

10-16-2009, 02:42 PM

As #1, he gives his clan 300 points. Even if some noob clan had 100 ranked players from 200-300, that is still less than 300 points. Cause the quality of being #1 outweights the quantity of 100 accounts at the bottom of the barrel.
This is not true. 6 players ranked an average of 250th are equal to 1 person ranked 1st.

BrutalRage

10-16-2009, 07:11 PM

This is not true. 6 players ranked an average of 250th are equal to 1 person ranked 1st.

Oh goodness, you're right. Bad guestimation there. I guess a clan with 100 ranked players would always deserve to be ranked above my fictitious 300 point clan. Hoping my new math is correct, it would take the bottom 24 players to make exactly 300 points.

EDIT: Just tested my math using your averaging trick (although I'm not sure why I have to count zero). 0-24=25 slots multiplied by an average of 12 points is 300 points.

redreoicy

10-16-2009, 08:41 PM

EDIT: Just tested my math using your averaging trick (although I'm not sure why I have to count zero). 0-24=25 slots multiplied by an average of 12 points is 300 points.

You shouldn't use zero.

The average number of points was 12.5, not 12.
12.5*24=300

Angel 0f Sorrow

11-03-2009, 08:03 PM

Bite Fight

11-04-2009, 12:26 PM

I think if they put the acc. up-grade like Legends more people will like that, and will up-grade more , they would like to pay one time and that it not every single month . I think it will be better for the people that are running the server and for people that are plaing it .:dry:

Sure it's better for us.

But not for the people running the game. It's a one time payment, and after a while no one will upgrade anymore and TAO will run out of money to keep the game going, most likely what happened to Legends.

5$ monthly gives them the money they need to keep the company going, and also, a company needs a profit, voila the profit.

Although I would like the 10$ or 20$ payment just once, it'd give FPS a better chance of dying.

Lex

11-04-2009, 04:32 PM

I still don't understand why people think the 1 time payment is better than what we have. You pay $5 for 2 golds. And one of those golds lasts forever...

Isaac, Not Z

11-04-2009, 04:39 PM

I have a question? The old rankings 1st place was 100 points, 10th was 90 points,100th was 1 point. I still count the top 100 when I look at rankings but jw how this 300 thing works. Does it just go to 1st place = 300 points? 10th 290 points and 300th being 1 point? or is it changed?

Sebba

11-05-2009, 05:24 AM

Your thinking about the points the clan gains or the actual rating of the players?

BrutalRage

11-06-2009, 12:38 PM

Pikachu!

11-06-2009, 02:07 PM

http://greatlakes.taorankings.com/game.pl?name=Pikachu!&type=result&query=2

I still register a 750 stat loss against the first person I played :p

BrutalRage

11-06-2009, 04:36 PM

http://greatlakes.taorankings.com/game.pl?name=Pikachu!&type=result&query=2

I still register a 750 stat loss against the first person I played :p

FINE! Just for the sake of shutting you up about it, I fixed it. You HAPPY?! :p

Pikachu!

11-06-2009, 04:40 PM

Haha, thank you :)

shurtugal

11-17-2009, 04:23 PM

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