Dude, I'm trippin out man

[Punishment]

What if the big bang or whatever never happened. There would be nothing... what was it like before when it was nothing... where did everything come from :confused:

[Lex]

What if it happens again? A big bang squared and the current universe blows up.

[Punishment]

And then there will be nothing again o_o

The nothingness thought really weirds me out.

I mean if there was no earth i wouldn't mind.. i mean.. we're miniscule, but if there was never anything ;....aslfkdaj;sfjlkas

[_Thunder_]

http://i26.tinypic.com/1y038k.jpg

Candy barssss.

[ScytheMan]

http://monup.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/spicoli.jpg

[The Wild]

Dude, i always wonder about that...and then i think too much and my brain starts to hurt :(

[_Thunder_]

Dude, i always wonder about that...and then i think too much and my brain starts to hurt :(

I wouldn't expect much from you since you live in Canada. Don't ban me serg. I jk <3

[A-99]

I wouldn't expect much from you since you live in Canada. Don't ban me serg. I jk <3

Our friendship is over. /hate

[Wizzy`]

http://monup.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/spicoli.jpg

He was like, angry/crying in that scene, not "Woahhh o.o"


Before the big bang there was just space, nothing more nothing less..just space without stars and planets.

We are all the result of a freak accident. Whoo.

[Liquid Swordsman]

Punishment looks like a penis IRL

[_Thunder_]

Our friendship is over. /hate

You know that excludes awesome people. :cool:

[BrutalRage]

You want something trippy? Read this post. I kind of went off the deep end.

Yeah, it is hard to imagine not having something that you've always had. Just try to imagine being born blind. You might think that closing yourself into a room with no light whatsoever would do it. But it doesn't. Cause you'll be seeing black. A blind person doesn't know what black looks like. He isn't trying to look at things with his eyes. It is as if the sense of sight doesn't even exist for him. He reaches out with his hand and it comes up against resistance. When thinking about what something is like, he is remembering what it feels like to touch it. No visual images come to mind at all when he thinks about a "tree". Instead, he can feel the rough bark and the smooth leaves in his hands. He even recalls what a tree smells like. He can imagine it stretching taller than he can reach. But he doesn't know what's up there and doesn't know how high it goes, cause he can't touch it. His sense of distance and height isn't even based on how far he can see. When jumping from a diving board into a pool, the only thing that he has to measure his progress through the air is time. How much time does it take to fall? What does it feel like to have the air rush past him?

I like to think of myself as having a very good imagination. But even with all that, I still can't imagine what it would be like to not know what it is to see. And if I can't imagine that, how am I supposed to imagine the lack of everything? Nothing to see, nothing to hear, nothing to smell, nothing to touch, nothing to taste. If you can imagine total sensory deprivation, then you can imagine nothingness. Cause reality is measured by our perception. It isn't real unless we can perceive or sense it. What is the difference between this and death? Thought? Isn't even our thoughts defined by what we sense? When you think to yourself, do you not hear words in your head? When you use your imagination, do you not see shapes and colors? How can you think if you have never sensed anything before? What would you think about?

[Punishment]

woah.

[houckeah]

What if it happens again? A big bang squared and the current universe blows up.

This is called the big crunch.

I have these thoughts a lot, though... what if it did never happen? There would be nothing... that is scary.

[The Butcher]

Thunder wins this thread.

[Serge]

It couldn't have not happened. Nothingness would be too unstable to exist...not exist... you know what I mean...

[shurtugal]

Insert god here.

[houckeah]

It couldn't have not happened. Nothingness would be too unstable to exist...not exist... you know what I mean...

Untrue, completely untrue.

[kegsworth]

If it had never happened to begin with, then none of us would ever care since we would have never existed.

:rolleyes:That's if you believe in such things.

[Wizzy`]

Kegs, you don't believe the big bang, or something like it happened?

[Sacred Silence]

i wouldn't expect much from you since you live in canada. don't ban me serg. I jk <3

</3

[kegsworth]

Kegs, you don't believe the big bang, or something like it happened?

I believe in Creation, my man. But, since we're discussing the big bang theory and not debating it, I've decided to keep my jabs on the down low.

I do, however, find these discussions very interesting and would like to read more of everyone's ideas. Make's you wonder and certainly expands my imagination.

[Jeffery]

What if the big bang or whatever never happened. There would be nothing... what was it like before when it was nothing... where did everything come from :confused:
What is, was.

[Enjoi]

Tell me the last time there was a massive explosion that created intelligent life. All the explosions I know of destroy living things, not create them.

[bloodreign]

Ya man like when i tink of the big bang i think of an imensly dense singularity that expoldes outward into a pre-existing nothingness (aka black space.)

but alas that nothing space is something,nothing space never existed before the big bang.. it's as if the big bang was like a large egg expanding.. the outer shell was a matrix of energy and matter inside is where the nothingness began (aka the space bettween molecules and matter) otherwise you cant call what was out there nothing because you need something to compare it to.?



lul wat?

[Dresicos]

Tell me the last time there was a massive explosion that created intelligent life. All the explosions I know of destroy living things, not create them.

You didn't think this post through.

You know very well that the BBT didn't create intelligent life. It created a universe.

[Enjoi]

You didn't think this post through.

You know very well that the BBT didn't create intelligent life. It created a universe.

Even so, it created a complex and amazing universe. When does an explosion create things?

[Japtch]

All I know is that i'm here. And i'm trying to get the best out of it, while i'm here.

I like life, and i'd prefer it not to end. When it does, that's when i'll know. Or not know. I'd just prefer to not think about it and cause confusion and frustration while i'm here.

Overall, I like to http://www.dare2livedog.com/product_images/Go-with-the-flow-womans.gif

[2xfire]

This thread is why I can shroom no more..... Its like the human brain shuts down when you try and think about the nothingness that was once there.

[BrutalRage]

If you think that imagining nothingness is tricky, try imagining something that has no beginning. According to most of Christianity, God has no beginning. What did he do for the eternity that he's been alive? Has he been creating things for eternity? And if there was a point when he started creating stuff, what did he do before that? And before that? And before that? There's no end to the "before thats". And what if he has been creating things for eternity? Are there an infinite number of alien species out there? And infinite number of galaxies? And even if this reality that we define through sight, smell, touch, taste, and sound is limited in scope. Are there are other realities out there we have never even dreamed of? What all "projects" has God really involved himself in? Is there no limit? Imagining never dying is easy compared to imagining never being born, and yet living. The mind simply refuses to contemplate the possibility. So much easier to just think that everything came out of nothing in a big bang. At least it started at some point!

[houckeah]

That is possibly the most unorganized thought process I've ever seen... and no, I disagree with your thoughts as well. Imagining something with no beginning is easier than imagining something with a beginning.

[ponefish]

This thread just made my day...

[BrutalRage]

That is possibly the most unorganized thought process I've ever seen... and no, I disagree with your thoughts as well. Imagining something with no beginning is easier than imagining something with a beginning.

Possibly cause it was never intended to be organized. It was more like a brainstorm - the tossing out of ideas from a larger mass. One cannot analytical break down and discuss things to which we have no experience or even similar experiences. There is a difference between understanding something as a concept, and understanding something as if it is a personal experience. While I can conceptually understand blindness from birth, or not having a beginning, I cannot understand it as a personal experience. Usually people can draw metaphors and similes between their own experiences and somebody else's experiences in order to truly understand where they are coming from. Indeed, everything we look at we judge based on our own personal experiences. "Oh, look at that strange exotic plant I've never seen before. It looks like a cross between an apple and a peach." But how do you relate to blindness from birth when you know perfectly well what sight is like? How can you relate to never being born? That your memories can stretch back for all eternity? That you've accumulated knowledge, experience, and the doing of things for all eternity? Unfathomable. It is much like knowledge. The more you know, the more you realize you don't know. The more imagination you have, the more you realize you just can't imagine everything.

[houckeah]

Brainstorms aren't meant to be published. Brainstorms are meant to help organize thoughts into a paragraph. Again, what you said is completely irrelevant. If you imagine a beginning, you're imagining more than if you don't imagine a beginning. Thus, as per Occam's razor, the simplest is to imagine a God without a beginning... even though God might not exist, but that's against Occam's razor.

To assume even the universe has a begging is to make an assumption. You don't know, via the big band and big crunch theories, that the universe does have a beginning. It simply could be repeating.

Knowing you know nothing is philosophical, it won't help you construct physical concepts.

[BrutalRage]

Brainstorms aren't meant to be published. Brainstorms are meant to help organize thoughts into a paragraph. Again, what you said is completely irrelevant. If you imagine a beginning, you're imagining more than if you don't imagine a beginning. Thus, as per Occam's razor, the simplest is to imagine a God without a beginning... even though God might not exist, but that's against Occam's razor.

To assume even the universe has a begging is to make an assumption. You don't know, via the big band and big crunch theories, that the universe does have a beginning. It simply could be repeating.

Knowing you know nothing is philosophical, it won't help you construct physical concepts.

You express criticism with words like "irrelevant" and "assumption", but what do you think I'm trying to achieve? While it is true that brainstorms are not meant to be published, I do not intend to publish anything. I do not intend to inform or educate anybody through what I said in this thread. It is purely intended to inspire thought. That was the original purpose of this thread. Punishment brought up a concept that he finds difficult to contemplate. He probably even finds some enjoyment in contemplating the incomprehensible. So I threw up some other well known mysteries merely to inspire thought. I also elaborated on these things a bit to draw them out from simple cliche'd concepts to something that is truly interesting - even fascinating. Groups of people frequently discuss together under the context of brainstorm to inspire ideas. And this entire conversation is philosophical. If you wish to use a more structured approach to explain these philosophical concepts (i.e. "Occam's razor" - topics to which I don't pretend to be knowledgeable or interested in) then by all means do so without trying to take what I say and dismiss them cause they don't serve purposes they were never intended to serve. This conversation started out as a fun thing, and was taken more seriously than it should have. I would cheerfully debate on many topics, but this isn't one of them.

[bloodreign]

I personaly think it's harder to imagine something without a begining(scientificaly and mentaly)because you can push the reference time (or lack thereof) back as far as you want and still never reach a conclusion.. but with a begining you have a set point.


I agree with Brutal; here, no ones opinion is irrelevant, it's just a discussion btw a big crunch is a samich.

[Terps rock]

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/halolz-dot-com-supermariobros-magicmushroomsjpg.jpg

[houckeah]

You express criticism with words like "irrelevant" and "assumption", but what do you think I'm trying to achieve? While it is true that brainstorms are not meant to be published, I do not intend to publish anything. I do not intend to inform or educate anybody through what I said in this thread. It is purely intended to inspire thought. That was the original purpose of this thread. Punishment brought up a concept that he finds difficult to contemplate. He probably even finds some enjoyment in contemplating the incomprehensible. So I threw up some other well known mysteries merely to inspire thought. I also elaborated on these things a bit to draw them out from simple cliche'd concepts to something that is truly interesting - even fascinating. Groups of people frequently discuss together under the context of brainstorm to inspire ideas. And this entire conversation is philosophical. If you wish to use a more structured approach to explain these philosophical concepts (i.e. "Occam's razor" - topics to which I don't pretend to be knowledgeable or interested in) then by all means do so without trying to take what I say and dismiss them cause they don't serve purposes they were never intended to serve. This conversation started out as a fun thing, and was taken more seriously than it should have. I would cheerfully debate on many topics, but this isn't one of them.

I was hoping by now you would post in paragraphs. I refuse to read that. I'm sure it is wrong anyway. I'm sure I can just quote my original post to reply to it.

[shurtugal]

I was hoping by now you would post in paragraphs. I refuse to read that. I'm sure it is wrong anyway. I'm sure I can just quote my original post to reply to it.

You pulled an excuse out your ass that so so stupid and senseless that even Mafia wouldn't have attempted it.

gg.

[Terps rock]

You pulled an excuse out your ass that so so stupid and senseless that even Mafia wouldn't have attempted it.

gg.

You could be doubting Mafia.

[houckeah]

You pulled an excuse out your ass that so so stupid and senseless that even Mafia wouldn't have attempted it.

gg.

... I pulled an excuse out of my ass? I already pointed out his lack of structure in his argument. I showed him he needed to use paragraphs or his ideas were a mess. Now since he chooses not to use paragraphs, and chooses to make my life harder if I were to read that blob of text, I choose not to read it. It isn't pulling an excuse out of my ass if I already told him prior.

[shurtugal]

I meant you saying you're not houcheah on dirka...

How is your life "harder" be reading one paragraph, or three?

Same amount of text, same reading time.

[BrutalRage]

No response serves my purposes, houckeah. I didn't want to debate it. But we can talk about your attitude if you like. How would you describe it, do you think? Does the lack of structure in communication make a person somehow inferior? No? You're probably innocent of all superiority faults. You accept and respect the way they speak or think without feeling the need to correct them. No, that can't be it.... Ok, how 'bout this. People actually want your advice. Anytime somebody makes a logical blunder or doesn't seem to be effective in whatever it is they are doing, you are there to provide helpful insight into how they can better themselves as a person and a human being. You're a humanist. I'm something of the same. When I see somebody acting like a jerk, I like to make my little jokes to help show them they are being a jerk. Cause so frequently jerks don't realize they're acting like the world revolves around what they think and therefor feel so victimized and start defending themselves when other people stop showing them respect. Unfortunately, I'm not blunt enough. Some part of me wants to get along with everybody, so I don't try to be too offensive with my disapproval or disgust. So it is probably ok that you can't understand this unstructured paragraph. You probably wouldn't even get the point anyway. It's not your fault. It is strictly my inability to communicate... with you. You can understand blindness. But I can understand overlong paragraphs. We all have our gifts.

[ponefish]

Have any of you ever seen The Truman Show... Sometimes I feel my life is like his. If you have seen it you know what I am talking about it.

[BrutalRage]

Have any of you ever seen The Truman Show... Sometimes I feel my life is like his. If you have seen it you know what I am talking about it.

Good movie, but it speaks on many levels. I guess you're talking about the feeling that nothing around you is quite real? I can relate in a somewhat different way. While everything around me is pretty real, it doesn't seem to be part of me... or I'm not a part of it, either works. It's a common feeling in teenage years, but this sense has stayed with me even now at 29. It's a disconnected feeling. I don't care about money, material possessions, and have a general lack of motivation in areas people are usually motivated in. In my world, nothing seems important except people, but at the same time I can't relate with them very easily except on a basic level - feelings and natural qualities built into every human being. I exaggerate a little, since I'm obviously not a hermit running around naked in the woods. But this quality is noticeable. It can be both a good and bad thing.

[ponefish]

Not so much that it isnt real but its all staged. Sometimes I feel like a combination of The Truman Show and the Matrix. Like things are staged to happen a certain way daily trials are just tests to get to another test, and all in all it seems unimportant. I have also felt disconnected in some aspects simmilar to Charilie in Perks of being a Wallflower.
But seriously what if your life is just contained in this giant bubble where people are just watching you do everything you do and you have no idea. I mean not in the sense that the world revolves around you, just that you are trapped and don't even know it. People you think are your friends are just people doing their jobs.

[BrutalRage]

Well, there's a certain amount of truth to that, assuming you believe in the Bible. The lessons in there teach that everything is a test. Your one ability that is entirely within your power is choice. The tests test out who you ultimately choose - God, or Self. God tries to give you little tests at first. If you make the right choices, he'll give you bigger tests. These tests are designed to build your moral character and relationship with Him. Satan works much the same way. He'll test you with little subtle temptations at first to do things your way. He'll push you into doing the worst possible things he can get. Or, if he thinks he can't push you any further, is content with letting you repeat the same mistakes again and again until you die.

Also, it is a big stage. Satan is out to prove that God's way is wrong. Humanity may be the only people who chose to reject God, but we are not the only people. The rest of the people's God created are watching us. It's like a court hearing. God and Satan made their case. We're the jury. We make a choice one way or the other. The Bible even says that we will judge angels. But the result is known. Satan will be proved wrong, and rebellion against God will end. But nobody but God knows this. It has to play itself out and a verdict reached based on the evidence. And sin will never start back up again, cause the whole universe will know where it leads. This show on earth is the proof.

Of course, you'd have to believe in the God that Christians and Jews believe in before you can believe in all that. Yes, indeed, The Truman Show speaks on many levels.

[Baseballboy]

I wouldn't expect much from you since you live in Canada. Don't ban me serg. I jk <3

Ban him Serg!

[houckeah]

I meant you saying you're not houcheah on dirka...

How is your life "harder" be reading one paragraph, or three?

Same amount of text, same reading time.

Life is harder when reading one blob of text because the ideas aren't organized. Your assumption about the same amount of text is the same reading time is wrong. Granted, it still replies to your post, but it isn't the best way to construct my ideas in reply and will take you longer to read. I'm not dirka? It is the same amount of text but it takes longer to read and comprehend if it is all mixed together. Who said I am dirka? Do you see how this paragraph is harder to comprehend than a normal paragraph? Why did you put harder in quotes? Why would you assume that it takes the same amount of time to read this as if I constructed it properly?

[ponefish]

Life is harder when...?

I personally prefer stream of conscious to any other form of writing.

[theburning]

I wouldn't expect much from you since you live in Canada. Don't ban me serg. I jk <3

:nono: