Why are caucasions the only racists?

[Take a Look]

Seriously, f##k Afroamericans!

Lol! Kidding, kidding!

My question is, why is that the only time racism is made out to be a big deal is when it's a white man being racist? Why do I never hear about blacks calling whites crackers? Or latinos or asians calling white people whatever they call us?

Here's a fun example: My Uncle worked at a newspaper for damn near 25 years before this incident occurred. A black woman on his crew was literally being lazy, so being head pressmen for his crew, he told her to work harder. She takes this to higher ups and files it as descrimination, complaining that my uncle had used the words "God damn" towards her (can't remember every detail because this was years ago). Well a few months after my uncle was demoted and had his pay cut by like 25%~, he walked past the same office he was reprimanded in, and found her to be yelling at the top of her lungs and swearing up a storm. Just like the whiny lazy bitch she was. So she basically fabricated a story to defame my uncle, later on her true character is revealed and my uncle was still stuck with what he was handed out unjustly.

Not to mention this happens all the fu##ing time at his work. Whites literally couldn't tell blacks or latinos to do anything, for fear of being called a racist.

Oh but in the locker room or showers, blacks and mutter the words "cracker" and "white bread" or "White boy" and make fun of us all the time on TV (Black Music Awards"), but they're not racists.

opinions?

How about music? How many times have you heard a rapper say "crackers, Whiteboy, lame ass white boy"?

Could I make a pop album with the word "nigger/s" located anywhere on it? No.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo276/tarrant3/89b0900a.png

[Toledo 13]

Seriously, f##k Afroamericans!


I stopped reading there. Argumentation isn't your strong point is it?

[Wizzy`]

I was talking to my filipino friend the other day about how it is strange that all races are brought up to look out for the african american race.

[burnout-278]

happens all the time, but no one cares since they are a majority

[Silverkent]

We dont have racism problems in latin america, in matters of skin color, but theres another kind of racism, poors VS richs, poor people kidnap rich people and ask for ransoms, black mail them etc etc, rich people explode poor ones, lousy salarys, no health care, etc etc... good thing im in middle class.

[Xiahou Dun]

rich people explode poor ones,

Either this is meant to say Exploit or everything I saw in Hostel was true...

[Toledo 13]

rich people explode poor ones

That's pretty racist...

[Silverkent]

Yeal well, i mean exploit, i suck at english.;)

[Maverik07]

tl;dr

You're retarded.

[T Solo]

Your statement is untrue, therefor i have no reason to read past the title. Do a little research, just a little next time.

[burnout-278]

Your statement is untrue, therefor i have no reason to read past the title. Do a little research, just a little next time.

it does happen a lot actually t, just its not reported or cared for. i have seen it a few times

[T Solo]

Racism happens alot? Definitely

Are Caucasians the only people who are called out for it?

Are African Americans the only targets?

No,No.

/Stupid Thread

[bdog1321]

Black people are discriminated against. Fact.

White people are discriminated against. Fact.

The discrimination in both cases is vastly overplayed. Fact.

Rich people explode poor people. Questionable.

[Punishment]

It's because white people are superior to the other races, and therefore we're expected to behave better than them.

[ScytheMan]

My brain exploded from all of the stupidity in this thread.

[Ächilles]

That's an entirely untrue statement. Racism is present in all races, and against all races.

You know... there was this whole thing...

http://preparednesspro.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/the-next-9-11.jpg

Call me crazy, but I'd say that's a tad bit more racist than Kanye West being impolite to a teenage pop star at an award show.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Well, nigger is a derogatory term deriving from plantation owners (you know this.)

Crackers is a term coined playfully in the hip hop era to joke around with white people.

I mean, come on. It's like comparing World War II to Space Invaders: they're both wars, but one is real and one's a game.

Still, I think the racism card is vastly overplayed and should really only be applied when someone actually has derogatory characterizations of another race and isn't just being absent-mindedly distasteful or politically incorrect.

[Silverkent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPBaOKX7tJQ

[Terps rock]

That's an entirely untrue statement. Racism is present in all races, and against all races.

You know... there was this whole thing...

http://preparednesspro.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/the-next-9-11.jpg

Call me crazy, but I'd say that's a tad bit more racist than Kanye West being impolite to a teenage pop star at an award show.

Thats not racism. It doesn't even involve black people.

[mantis33]

It's because white people are superior to the other races, and therefore we're expected to behave better than them.

I lol'd.

This is true though, sadly(and by "this" I mean what the thread was initially referring to, not Pun). It's The World We Live In.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-plLIxHMsI

[Hellblazer]

This was actually discussed in my English class last week. We came to the conclusion that it's because they have been given equal rights and, in a sense, have been less fortunate than us in history.
However, I disagree. I find a lot of things black Americans do and say toward most people highly offensive, stupid, and vulgar. So what if we can't retaliate because that's a "hate crime"? It doesn't give them a right to be so ridiculous and bring this kind of stuff upon themselves.

Edit: Terps... I can't even tell you the amount of things wrong with your response to the twin towers pic.

[Garack]

This was actually discussed in my English class last week. We came to the conclusion that it's because they have been given equal rights and, in a sense, have been less fortunate than us in history.
However, I disagree. I find a lot of things black Americans do and say toward most people highly offensive, stupid, and vulgar. So what if we can't retaliate because that's a "hate crime"? It doesn't give them a right to be so ridiculous and bring this kind of stuff upon themselves.

Edit: Terps... I can't even tell you the amount of things wrong with your response to the twin towers pic.

Where do you go to school that they are teaching this? The statment "been given equal rights" is part of the problem. While true that it was "given" it should have been that way for the begining.

"in a sense" That is an understatement...

Agree with your opinion on terps..Dude like did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it? Do you think racism is a black/white issue only?

Achilles: The Towers comming down wasn't an act of racism.. What going on in schools today?

I live in nyc i work a few blocks from where the towers stood... I lived through it... That day was unforgetable... and it has nothing to do with racism.

[Terps rock]

Edit: Terps... I can't even tell you the amount of things wrong with your response to the twin towers pic.


Agree with your opinion on terps..Dude like did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it? Do you think racism is a black/white issue only?


Yea, I get it since I'm not black I can't talk about black people? Racist!

[Ächilles]

Achilles: The Towers comming down wasn't an act of racism.. What going on in schools today?

I live in nyc i work a few blocks from where the towers stood... I lived through it... That day was unforgetable... and it has nothing to do with racism.

It was Middle Eastern men committing a large scale act of violence against the Anglo-Saxon ideal. That is, definitively, racism. Conceptually, it is no different than white Southern men lynching an African man; it's just on a larger scale. An act of racially-fueled hatred expressed through violence.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Achilles: The Towers comming down wasn't an act of racism.. What going on in schools today?

I live in nyc i work a few blocks from where the towers stood... I lived through it... That day was unforgetable... and it has nothing to do with racism.

Proximity does not directly relate to understanding of an issue. 9/11 had EVERYTHING to do with racism.

[BaxVarlet]

It was Middle Eastern men committing a large scale act of violence against the Anglo-Saxon ideal. That is, definitively, racism. Conceptually, it is no different than white Southern men lynching an African man; it's just on a larger scale. An act of racially-fueled hatred expressed through violence.

It was more of an attack against western civilization as a whole, not any specific race. Also, there are so many differences between a southern man lynching someone and the two towers falling.

That being said, I agree that racism is present in all races.

Racism doesn't really cover one group of people hating on another group of people, if the root of that hate isn't race.

[bdog1321]

Proximity does not directly relate to understanding of an issue. 9/11 had EVERYTHING to do with racism.

How? I've always thought it was an issue of disagreeing with their extreme beliefs. We're the antithesis to their sect of islam, after all.

[Maverik07]

It was Middle Eastern men committing a large scale act of violence against the Anglo-Saxon ideal. That is, definitively, racism. Conceptually, it is no different than white Southern men lynching an African man; it's just on a larger scale. An act of racially-fueled hatred expressed through violence.

Did you just pull that out of your ass?

Proximity does not directly relate to understanding of an issue. 9/11 had EVERYTHING to do with racism.

Err... no.

It was more of an attack against western civilization as a whole, not any specific race. Also, there are so many differences between a southern man lynching someone and the two towers falling.

Answer to both your statements. It wasnt racist or even against the "Anglo-Saxon ideal" (whatever the fuck that is :huh:).

[Ächilles]

It was more of an attack against western civilization as a whole, not any specific race. Also, there are so many differences between a southern man lynching someone and the two towers falling.

That being said, I agree that racism is present in all races.

Racism doesn't really cover one group of people hating on another group of people, if the root of that hate isn't race.

It was definitely against Western Civilization, you've got that right. But more specifically, it was incited by the Pax Americana being pressed upon the Middle East. While it was certainly a message to be sent to all of the Western world, it was a specific attack against the United States. I know people here are obsessed with their nationalities, but if you're born here, you are American. And by definition, that's racism.

The root of the hatred isn't exclusively race, not at all. But race has a lot to do with it. It's the same thing that's been happening for thousands of years - white Anglo-Saxons warring with Middle Easterners.

And I'm not trying to compare the gravity of a lynching with the terrorist attacks. There's obviously no similarity in that respect. I'm merely pointing out that it's conceptually similar - and act of violence fueled by prejudice.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

How? I've always thought it was an issue of disagreeing with their extreme beliefs. We're the antithesis to their sect of islam, after all.

Err... no.



Answer to both your statements. It wasnt racist or even against the "Anglo-Saxon ideal" (whatever the fuck that is :huh:).

If you want to take a literal stance on racism as purely against a "race" that's fine, but I believed it's evolved to mean hating/attacking a larger group of people with a unifying characteristic.

9/11 was an attack against the West for being the West. If that's not unspecific and unfounded hatred I don't know what is. It was attacking a large amount of people for being American (or Western). If they had bombed Kentucky Fried Chicken in hopes of crippling African-American society it would have been racist (kidding!), but when they take out American centers of trade and government to cripple America it's not? I guess I'm taking Anti-American sentiment to be racism, but I don't see why that's invalid. Americans are as much a group as any race is.

[Maverik07]

Im sorry for thinking that racism was showing hatred towards a race. Silly me, obviously.

[bdog1321]

If you want to take a literal stance on racism as purely against a "race" that's fine, but I believed it's evolved to mean hating/attacking a larger group of people with a unifying characteristic.

9/11 was an attack against the West for being the West. If that's not unspecific and unfounded hatred I don't know what is. It was attacking a large amount of people for being American (or Western). If they had bombed Kentucky Fried Chicken in hopes of crippling African-American society it would have been racist (kidding!), but when they take out American centers of trade and government to cripple America it's not? I guess I'm taking Anti-American sentiment to be racism, but I don't see why that's invalid. Americans are as much a group as any race is.

I lol'd HARD at the KFC joke.

You have an interesting perspective, looking at it that way it certainly is racist.

[BaxVarlet]

Im sorry for thinking that racism was showing hatred towards a race. Silly me, obviously.

Are Mav and I the only ones understanding this?

American isn't a race, thus hatred towards Americans isn't racism.

[Ächilles]

Did you just pull that out of your ass?

Answer to both your statements. It wasnt racist or even against the "Anglo-Saxon ideal" (whatever the fuck that is :huh:).

Please don't call me out on something, and then admit you have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't argue with calculus students; primarily because I don't know anything about calculus. You should follow suit. Don't take a stance just to be argumentative. Inform yourself then make your debate. You're essentially making no point, just refuting mine.

As a continuation of Doctor Device's sentiments:

You guys have to understand that we're holding the stance that Americans are in themselves a race. As I said, I know people here are very aligned with their heritages as the country is a melting pot, but we're looking at it from the perspective that if you're born in America, you're an American. The act was against American and the Anglo-Saxon ideal, and thusly, an act of racism.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Im sorry for thinking that racism was showing hatred towards a race. Silly me, obviously.

Actually, according to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism)-- so you ARE kind of silly. :p

Can we agree Mav that Americans are people of the same race or nationality who share a distinctive culture (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&defl=en&q=define:ethnic+group&ei=5jDNSpGHE4zU8AbKtqDQCw&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title) or something along those lines?

[Maverik07]

Please don't call me out on something, and then admit you have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't argue with calculus students; primarily because I don't know anything about calculus. You should follow suit. Don't take a stance just to be argumentative. Inform yourself then make your debate. You're essentially making no point, just refuting mine.

As a continuation of Doctor Device's sentiments:

You guys have to understand that we're holding the stance that Americans are in themselves a race. As I said, I know people here are very aligned with their heritages as the country is a melting pot, but we're looking at it from the perspective that if you're born in America, you're an American. The act was against American and the Anglo-Saxon ideal, and thusly, an act of racism.

Maybe because that term doesnt actually exist. Nice try though.

To DD: Touche...

[Ächilles]

Your stance is that because you don't know what the Anglo-Saxon ideal is, it doesn't exist?

Listen, Maverik, I'm all about political debate; but if you're just going to be argumentative and then make false claims on behalf of a seemingly directionless and pointless stance, I'm not going to waste my time. Can you make a statement about something instead of just refuting what I say? The Anglo-Saxon ideal, just as Anglo-Saxons, does exist. I've taken college courses on it, read books on it, and had discussions with plenty of people on it. Just because you don't know what it is, it doesn't mean it's a myth.

[Maverik07]

Ive taken many college courses, read many books, and had plenty of discussions with plenty of people about politics, especially American politics (seeing as i am a Political Science major with an emphasis in American politics and the American legal system) and i even googled and researched the term "Anglo-Saxon Ideal" because i thought it was such a ridiculous term, and guess what? I still found nothing.

And my point is that 9/11 was not an act of racism, but an act of terror against our American system, which is not racist. Being American is not a race. Best i could describe it is as being a culture, or maybe an ethnicity, but im leaning more towards culture... Anyways, point is that its not racist nor is being American a race.

[Ächilles]

And that's your stance then? No argument against me, just that a term doesn't exist? You've made no point, just senselessly argued mine without establishing any of your own.

http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Power-American-Exceptionalism-Project/dp/0805088156
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254962138&sr=8-1

"In modern usage, Anglo-Saxon can be used in various contexts to mean people predominantly descended from the English ethnic group, in England as well as other Anglophone countries. This usage is restricted to certain contexts in Anglophone cultures, but this term and its direct translations are commonly used in other languages."

The ideal is that of the Anglo-Saxons, meaning people descended from traditional European rule. Any ideal of the white, first world is considered Anglo-Saxon. Meaning expansionism, connectivity, global enterprising, and the spread of capitalism. The American government equates the Anglo-Saxon ideal.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

As you had no objection to wikipedia last time:

"In modern usage, Anglo-Saxon can be used in various contexts to mean people predominantly descended from the English ethnic group, in England as well as other Anglophone countries"

So Anglo-Saxon ideals are synonymous with American/English ideals -- who are the two major representatives of Western culture and therefore Western ideals (these including, but not limiting to, human rights, freedom, and meritocracy.) It is these principles that were indirectly attacked on 9/11

[bloodreign]

I guess it can be a form of "racism" to hate America, not as a pure ethnic group, but as a conglomerate of ethnocentric entities within the common bond of American citizenry.

The terms "ethnicity" and "ethnic group" are derived from the Greek word ethnos, normally translated as "nation".

In the past ethnicities were quite seperate groups/tribes but with the advent of multiculturalism in Canada/Usa/Britian.. a lot of the cultural,behavioral,religious, and linguisitc qualities inherent in each subculture somehow dilute a strong tie to the old heritage.. but also usher forth a new caliescope of identity under the baner of multiculturalism.

I'm canadian but i am not a muslim/ or a sikh, or a jew,

But i guess the terms AFRICAN AMERICAN or Native American, or cracker american fall under one banner.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

And my point is that 9/11 was not an act of racism, but an act of terror against our American system, which is not racist. Being American is not a race. Best i could describe it is as being a culture, or maybe an ethnicity, but im leaning more towards culture... Anyways, point is that its not racist nor is being American a race.

We're just arguing semantics. Me and my UN homies equate any national/ethnic discrimination with racism while you clearly disagree. Which is fine. Nothing either of us can say will ultimately change our very personal interpretation of the word's meaning.

[Realist]

Except that 9/11 wasn't a response to generic hatred of Westernism (or the "Anglo Saxon ideal" whatever) but to specific political actions the US has taken in the past (e.g., supporting the Saudi monarchy, Israel, troops on holy soil). They really don't "hate us for our freedom." And they were glad to accept our money when fighting the mutual Soviet enemy.

[bloodreign]

Except that 9/11 wasn't a response to generic hatred of Westernism (or the "Anglo Saxon ideal" whatever) but to specific political actions the US has taken in the past (e.g., supporting the Saudi monarchy, Israel, troops on holy soil). They really don't "hate us for our freedom." And they were glad to accept our money when fighting the mutual Soviet enemy.

Totaly agree with this statement^^

[CRX687]

Seriously, f##k Afroamericans!

Lol! Kidding, kidding!

My question is, why is that the only time racism is made out to be a big deal is when it's a white man being racist? Why do I never hear about blacks calling whites crackers? Or latinos or asians calling white people whatever they call us?

Here's a fun example: My Uncle worked at a newspaper for damn near 25 years before this incident occurred. A black woman on his crew was literally being lazy, so being head pressmen for his crew, he told her to work harder. She takes this to higher ups and files it as descrimination, complaining that my uncle had used the words "God damn" towards her (can't remember every detail because this was years ago). Well a few months after my uncle was demoted and had his pay cut by like 25%~, he walked past the same office he was reprimanded in, and found her to be yelling at the top of her lungs and swearing up a storm. Just like the whiny lazy bitch she was. So she basically fabricated a story to defame my uncle, later on her true character is revealed and my uncle was still stuck with what he was handed out unjustly.

Not to mention this happens all the fu##ing time at his work. Whites literally couldn't tell blacks or latinos to do anything, for fear of being called a racist.

Oh but in the locker room or showers, blacks and mutter the words "cracker" and "white bread" or "White boy" and make fun of us all the time on TV (Black Music Awards"), but they're not racists.

opinions?

How about music? How many times have you heard a rapper say "crackers, Whiteboy, lame ass white boy"?

Could I make a pop album with the word "nigger/s" located anywhere on it? No.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo276/tarrant3/89b0900a.png


The reason white men get the most flak when they in a racist manner is because there has been a long history of abuse in this regard. White men have had a long and extensive history of oppressing peoples with different skin colors, other races do not. It's like a guy who just got out of rehab going to a bar vs. a few kids just going for fun... when there's a history of abuse, people pay more attention and hold you to a higher standard.

[bdog1321]

3d!t

[The Butcher]

tl;dr

You're retarded.

qft

[Ächilles]

Except that 9/11 wasn't a response to generic hatred of Westernism (or the "Anglo Saxon ideal" whatever) but to specific political actions the US has taken in the past (e.g., supporting the Saudi monarchy, Israel, troops on holy soil). They really don't "hate us for our freedom." And they were glad to accept our money when fighting the mutual Soviet enemy.

Yeah, Reagan more or less funded what would become modern terrorists. He was really quick to throw money at whoever was giving trouble to the Reds.

They definitely don't hate us for our freedom. That's probably the dumbest argument I've heard. There are much more liberal countries than the United States. There'd be planes flying into Scandinavia on a weekly basis if it was freedom they were out to destroy.

The attacks were an obvious response to the last fifty years of western expansionism. I'm not arguing that. Ever since Kermit Roosevelt was sent into Iran for the coup of Mossadegh, we've been treading on the Middle East. Funding the House of Saud, unconditionally backing Israeli war crimes, U.N. sanctions which UNICEF estimates have killed over 100,000 Iraqi children since 1995. We've given them reason, that's for sure.

However, I do still see this as racism. As Doctor Device said, we could argue all day on this point, as it's a matter of semantics. But it was a clear attack against the American ideal; that ideal being expansionism, connectivity, and a global projection of values. The American way of life has been imposed upon the Middle East, so the Middle East (or at least specific parts of it) has taken it upon themselves to attack Americans. While we're not natives to the continent, I still see American people as a race. To me, this constitutes racism.

But I'm not going to be the dirka to your Realist and argue the definition of a single word for sixty seven pages : )

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Except that 9/11 wasn't a response to generic hatred of Westernism (or the "Anglo Saxon ideal" whatever) but to specific political actions the US has taken in the past (e.g., supporting the Saudi monarchy, Israel, troops on holy soil). They really don't "hate us for our freedom." And they were glad to accept our money when fighting the mutual Soviet enemy.

I didn't so much mean that they attacked us for our ideals of freedom and human rights, but that those ideals were attacked on 9/11. The anti-American sentiment is rooted in what you and Ach have said.

[uniquinous]

Seriously, f##k Afroamericans!

Lol! Kidding, kidding!

My question is, why is that the only time racism is made out to be a big deal is when it's a white man being racist? Why do I never hear about blacks calling whites crackers? Or latinos or asians calling white people whatever they call us?

Here's a fun example: My Uncle worked at a newspaper for damn near 25 years before this incident occurred. A black woman on his crew was literally being lazy, so being head pressmen for his crew, he told her to work harder. She takes this to higher ups and files it as descrimination, complaining that my uncle had used the words "God damn" towards her (can't remember every detail because this was years ago). Well a few months after my uncle was demoted and had his pay cut by like 25%~, he walked past the same office he was reprimanded in, and found her to be yelling at the top of her lungs and swearing up a storm. Just like the whiny lazy bitch she was. So she basically fabricated a story to defame my uncle, later on her true character is revealed and my uncle was still stuck with what he was handed out unjustly.

Not to mention this happens all the fu##ing time at his work. Whites literally couldn't tell blacks or latinos to do anything, for fear of being called a racist.

Oh but in the locker room or showers, blacks and mutter the words "cracker" and "white bread" or "White boy" and make fun of us all the time on TV (Black Music Awards"), but they're not racists.

opinions?

How about music? How many times have you heard a rapper say "crackers, Whiteboy, lame ass white boy"?

Could I make a pop album with the word "nigger/s" located anywhere on it? No.

sounds like someone's blacktose intolerant. >.>

[Realist]

But I'm not going to be the dirka to your Realist and argue the definition of a single word for sixty seven pages : )

Well, just don't murder the language. Ideological conflict !=racism. Much less purely political conflict.

I didn't so much mean that they attacked us for our ideals of freedom and human rights, but that those ideals were attacked on 9/11.

I don't get it. How were those ideals attacked on 9/11? What does that even mean?

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Well, I initially misread Ach when he wrote that we were attacked because of Anglo-Saxon ideals as our Anglo-Saxon ideals were attacked.

You "attack" these ideals by stripping people of them. The victims of 9/11 had the right to live and not die in extremist political strife.

But no more semantics please. This isn't particularly interesting lol

[Ächilles]

Well, just don't murder the language. Ideological conflict !=racism. Much less purely political conflict?

I'm not saying that ideological conflict equates racism - it doesn't. I'm saying racism accompanied said ideological conflict.

[The Butcher]

Could I make a pop album with the word "nigger/s" located anywhere on it? No.


http://hurleysashimi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/crying-baby-party-56800676.jpg

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR!!!

[Gypsy]

ld I make a pop album with the word "nigger/s" located anywhere on it? No.

Oh sure you could. It's just that not many people would buy it and you would get blasted by the media.

[Trojan]

Well, nigger is a derogatory term deriving from plantation owners (you know this.)

Crackers is a term coined playfully in the hip hop era to joke around with white people.


Actually, Nigger is a racial term derived from Negro which is the latin word for black. Cracker is a racial term for a slave driver, or whip cracker.

Is it fair to call blacks a derogatory term for a slave? Is it fair to call whites derogatory terms for racist slave drivers?

Not so playful anymore is it?

[Lex]

Actually, Nigger is a racial term derived from Negro which is the latin word for black. Cracker is a racial term for a slave driver, or whip cracker.

Is it fair to call blacks a derogatory term for a slave? Is it fair to call whites derogatory terms for racist slave drivers?

Not so playful anymore is it?

Cracka please.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Actually, Nigger is a racial term derived from Negro which is the latin word for black. Cracker is a racial term for a slave driver, or whip cracker.

Actually, there is much disagreement as to the etymology of cracker:

"The term was in use in Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack meaning "entertaining conversation" (one may be said to "crack" a joke); this term and the alternate spelling craic are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"

A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in his introduction to The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers).

Spaniards in Florida called them "Quáqueros," a corruption of the English word "Quaker," which the Spanish used to contemptuously refer to any Protestant.

Other possible origins of the term are linked to early Florida cattle herders (Florida crackers) that traditionally used whips to herd wild Spanish cattle. These cowboys were distinct from the Spanish vaqueros of Florida. The crack of the herders' whips could be heard for great distances when they were used to round cattle in pens and to keep the cows on a given track. Also, "cracker" has historically been used to refer to those engaged in the low paying job of cracking pecans and other nuts in Georgia and throughout the southeast U.S"

(and yet another possibility is the one you described)

but I did misspeak. it was a term that regained popularity in the hip hop era and was certainly not conceived in it.

so, depending on your etymological beliefs, the term is either very playful or derogatory.

EDIT: and it is true that it came from "negro" it gained its derogatory implications from plantation-owner/slave-masters in the 18th and 19th centuries.

[Trojan]

No.
You can't wikipedia it.

A word used in specific context doesn't go by different backgrounds. Calling a white person a cracker in a racial manner is in reference to whip cracker.

If I call a homosexual gay, do you think I am calling him happy or the commonly used term for being homosexual. People don't call whites Floridian cattle herders, they call them whip crackers.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Actually, they just call them "crackers". I bet if you asked 99% of people who frequently use the term "cracker" they don't mean it as a racial slur or whip-cracker; they just mean a white person.

Even if your *cough* folk etymology *cough* is true, while nigger has retained its racist connotations, cracker has not. Hell, my black friends call me cracker and they don't mean I'm smacking them with a bullwhip.

And I'll wikipedia what I please! :p

EDIT: the implication of the Elizabethan etymology to my knowledge is that Irish immigrants brought the term over to America during the 19th century, and the pecan-crackers/cattle-herder etymology similarly originated in America, so it's equally valid as the root of the term in modern American use today.

[bloodreign]

in all honesty i thought "cracker" meant exactly that ... a cracker, as in something white,square,relativly tastless and crumbly......

[Trojan]

If a person doesn't understand what it is they are calling you, then they probably shouldn't be calling you that.

It doesn't matter if 99% of people don't understand, that is what it means.
If I remember right it was widely used in the civil rights era among black power groups to call white people oppressors and immoral. I guess you can say that is just playful speak by Kanye and his homies though.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Well now we're getting into a very complicated linguistics debate (in which I feel woefully undereducated) owing to the relative importance of a word's connotation/use versus its etymology and denotation. I guess as I new-age kind of guy I defer to the former, but to each his own.

[Trojan]

Well now we're getting into a very complicated linguistics debate (in which I feel woefully undereducated) owing to the relative importance of a word's connotation/use versus its etymology and denotation. I guess as I new-age kind of guy I defer to the former, but to each his own.

You are basically saying nigger is no longer a racist term because Jay-Z uses it and he is popular in modern culture.

It maybe misunderstood by many, but the word is still very racist at it's core.

[BaxVarlet]

It was Middle Eastern men committing a large scale act of violence against the Anglo-Saxon ideal. That is, definitively, racism. Conceptually, it is no different than white Southern men lynching an African man; it's just on a larger scale. An act of racially-fueled hatred expressed through violence.

I'm not saying that ideological conflict equates racism - it doesn't. I'm saying racism accompanied said ideological conflict.

Oh, so now it accompanies whereas before racism was the DEFINITIVE reason it happened...



Saying everyone who was born in America (and England? Ango-saxon ideal and all...)is the same race (despite America incorporating Mexico, Canada, etc...) is foolish.

People misdiagnose racism too frequently.

If you hate Obama, you're a racist.

If you hate America, you're a racist.

If you hate fat people, you're a racist.

[meat.eater]

If you hate racists, you're a racist.

[A-99]

Racist.

[Wizzy`]

I don't hate racists. They're cool.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

No, I'm really basing it more on personal experience. A few kids call me cracker (or have) at school, and I do not, nor do any of my white friends, mind. We would never call them nigger though. For better or for worse we just don't go there.

I'm not saying this is the right attitude, but it is a sentiment I feel is most common among white people. I've never felt particularly offended by the term, but I do feel I could never get away with calling a black kid "nigger" (not that I'm interested in this prospect.) :P

At its very core the word "sabotage" refers a French worker revolution in which workers threw their shoes (sabots) into machinery in order to damage it and have their factory owners lose subsequent profit as means of vengeance. Today, when someone tells me I sabotaged them I don't think I threw a shoe in their face. In the same way, when someone calls me cracker I don't think whip-cracker I think white person.

This analogy is pretty incongruous as the core sentiments of sabotage is still conveyed by the modern usage, but I really don't think that is the case with "cracker". They're not calling me a "whip-cracker", they're calling me a white guy.

[Trojan]

At its very core the word "sabotage" refers a French worker revolution in which workers threw their shoes (sabots) into machinery in order to damage it and have their factory owners lose subsequent profit as means of vengeance. Today, when someone tells me I sabotaged them I don't think I threw a shoe in their face.

200-300 years ago.

In the same way, when someone calls me cracker I don't think whip-cracker I think white person.

30-40 years ago.


You know what the difference between those timelines are? There are people that are very much alive that have lived through one experience and remember those times quite vividly, I bet you can guess which one.

Just because we are born in the late 80's early 90's generation doesn't mean we have the right to change the world and what it means...


yet.

[The Professor?]

I bet being a slave a couple hundred of years probably has to do with why Black people are more sensitive to being called "nigger" as opposed to a white guy being called a "cracker". Not to mention the times when blacks were fighting for actual equal treatment.

Especially since some people today still believe themselves superior to blacks. (Sigh....man my school had a bunch of these)

[Ächilles]

Oh, so now it accompanies whereas before racism was the DEFINITIVE reason it happened...

Never said that.

Saying everyone who was born in America (and England? Ango-saxon ideal and all...)is the same race (despite America incorporating Mexico, Canada, etc...) is foolish.

I don't believe so. If you are born in America, you are an American. No, it's not a race in the traditional sense - we're not natives. But at what point do we become our own entity? Iceland had no native people, and was completely uninhabited until being colonized by the Vikings, yet they still identify themselves as Icelandic. At what point are we simply Americans?

Again, this is a semantics debate - one I honestly don't feel like engaging in as nobody is going to convince the other of anything.

People misdiagnose racism too frequently.

If you hate Obama, you're a racist.

If you hate America, you're a racist.

If you hate fat people, you're a racist.

I agree. It's coined too freely as an easy way out of situations and used as leverage.

[Hellblazer]

Yea, I get it since I'm not black I can't talk about black people? Racist!

No... dat there 9/11 bulls*** was dem Afghanis!

[Kyir]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4779/1254260243899.jpg

[Hellblazer]

@ Kyir: Wha?

[Kyir]

@ Kyir: Wha?

You all switch into super serious mode when people mention racism.

It's hilarious.

[Hellblazer]

You all switch into super serious mode when people mention racism.

It's hilarious.
No, I don't get the cartoon! :(

[A-99]

No, I don't get the cartoon! :(

The cartoon, as explained in his next post goes as such:

*Fun and Games*

Someone: Racism!

*Srs time*

[Hellblazer]

Oh, I guess that post got neglected in the page turn. Carry on!

[BaxVarlet]

Again, this is a semantics debate - one I honestly don't feel like engaging in as nobody is going to convince the other of anything.


Yeah, heaven forbid anyone argue that racism has to deal with race...

[Realist]

When you say something stupid and false, and then say it's just semantics...well, yeah, words have meanings. It's worth combining them in ways that make sense. :cool:

[CPC]

Your statement is untrue, therefor i have no reason to read past the title. Do a little research, just a little next time.

The title in and of itself is racist. It is attacking caucasians and blaming them for something that all races are liable for. This whole thread's argument is invalid already due to that.

[Wizzy`]

The title in and of itself is racist. It is attacking caucasians and blaming them for something that all races are liable for.

No it's not. O.o he's asking why people only call out white folk for being racist.

[Garack]

Proximity does not directly relate to understanding of an issue. 9/11 had EVERYTHING to do with racism.

You are correct it had nothing to do with understanding the issue at hand, But when I see A picture of that day it just dredges up bad memories for me.


"9/11 had EVERYTHING to do with racism"

Except that 9/11 wasn't a response to generic hatred of Westernism (or the "Anglo Saxon ideal" whatever) but to specific political actions the US has taken in the past (e.g., supporting the Saudi monarchy, Israel, troops on holy soil). They really don't "hate us for our freedom." And they were glad to accept our money when fighting the mutual Soviet enemy.

As well as backing sadam against iran... Backing Against soviet union in afgan.. Our puppets have turned on us... That is what they hate us for..

Meaning for our actions in my above statement.

after 9/11.. Racism: us against them. Yes,based on etnicity, profiling religion... Before, not so much, While that mite have been racism it was nothing like it is today after the towers fell.

[Kyir]

Our puppets have turned on us... That is what they hate us for..


Uh, no?

[Take a Look]

If you were accused of being racist and punished for it, by someone of the ethnicity that you supposedly were racist towards, wouldn't you start to appreciate that race a little less? Personally I think afroamericans should be a little grateful towards your ancestors. For yours bringing them over and yours enduring what you put them through.

Still, blacks act like they are the only race with slavery in its past. Act like they are owed something.

[Toledo 13]

You all switch into super serious mode when people mention racism.

It's hilarious.

It's kind of a sobering subject so expect people to be slightly more serious when it's brought up. I guess generations of slavery and centuries of oppression will do that, go figure.

[Wizzy`]

..(๏̯͡๏)
/(๏)(๏)\
....()
..../\

[Riot-Girl]

...(๏̯͡๏)
/(๏̯͡)(๏̯͡)\
.....|_

[R G]

Personally I think one of the things that helps to perpetuates racism is Affirmative Action....has to be the stupidiest idea ever invented.

[meat.eater]

Personally I think one of the things that helps to perpetuates racism is Affirmative Action....has to be the stupidiest idea ever invented.

Completely agreed.

[Punishment]

You agree with RG? Wash your mouth out!

[ScytheMan]

You agree with RG? Wash your mouth out!

RG isn't always completely ridiculous.

[The Cheat]

RG isn't always completely ridiculous.

False.

[ScytheMan]

False.

You support affirmative action?

[The Cheat]

You support affirmative action?

Don't really have feelings about it one way or another.

[Godmic18]

This thread is too easy.

[The Cheat]

This thread is too easy.

Like your mom.

[Kyir]

It's kind of a sobering subject

If you say so.

[Take a Look]

In American society, there is also this underlying sense in the media that white males, who are 25-40 years of age are always played as the dummy in things. Look at every sitcom--a white couple. Is the man ever clever? Commercials to some extent do the same thing. White men are the only people you can make fun of racially and really get off scott free with it.

Check out this double standard, I go see a black comedian. He can make all the white jokes he wants ( I felt uncomfortable). If a white comedian did that, they'd stone his ass...the media would put him under. If a white comedian says the word "nigger" people flip out. I'm White, I have black friends and some Vietnamese and Hispanic friends too. Some of my friends white and black say the word joking around. It's just a word after all.

I don't think there should be words people can and can't say. If I a black men can say nigger, you can say it. Its all about context. If you want to use it as a slur and you get punched in the face, I don't feel sorry for you. But someone using the word in a joking or friendly manner shouldn't be made out to be this racist bastard.

[Terps rock]

In American society, there is also this underlying sense in the media that white males, who are 25-40 years of age are always played as the dummy in things. Look at every sitcom--a white couple. Is the man ever clever? Commercials to some extent do the same thing. White men are the only people you can make fun of racially and really get off scott free with it.

Check out this double standard, I go see a black comedian. He can make all the white jokes he wants ( I felt uncomfortable). If a white comedian did that, they'd stone his ass...the media would put him under. If a white comedian says the word "nigger" people flip out. I'm White, I have black friends and some Vietnamese and Hispanic friends too. Some of my friends white and black say the word joking around. It's just a word after all.

I don't think there should be words people can and can't say. If I a black men can say nigger, you can say it. Its all about context. If you want to use it as a slur and you get punched in the face, I don't feel sorry for you. But someone using the word in a joking or friendly manner shouldn't be made out to be this racist bastard.

Listen, bub.
We get it. We know it happens. We understand.
But why care?

[Hellblazer]

Listen, bub.
We get it. We know it happens. We understand.
But why care?

He's just trying to justify his racist ass.

[gryph89]

I could totally quote a great George Carlin right here...

[meat.eater]

I don't think there should be words people can and can't say.

There isn't. Racism is [almost] entirely socially controlled, not lawfully. So fi you want to use a certain word... just like you feel that people shouldn't be affected by your use of that word, you should apply that logic to yourself and not be affected by them calling you a racist (which again, is just a word, right?).

[The Cheat]

I don't think anyone should use the n-word.

But that is just me.

[Hellblazer]

I don't think anyone should use the n-word.

But that is just me.

What, Nigeria?

[The Cheat]

What, Nigeria?

I see what you did there.

It wasn't funny.

[meat.eater]

You are basically saying nigger is no longer a racist term because Jay-Z uses it and he is popular in modern culture.

It maybe misunderstood by many, but the word is still very racist at it's core.

No, DD is right. Racism is socially employed, not by definition. If 90% of the world started to believe that the word "table" was a derogatory term, it would be considered racist. That works both ways (IE: if 90% of the world started to believe the word cracker wasn't derogatory-- which I would argue is true-- it loses it's value, regardless of what it's initial value began as.

In fact, you can observe this all throughout time. "Cracker" is much closer to a time when it, perhaps, did carry meaning (though I will assume at the time that "cracker" was created, those who were actually doing the "cracking" probably didn't care that they were being called it), so it's sort of in a phase-out. Many of these are direct inheritances from African American culture. For instance: if I were to call someone a Jim Crow, they'll either not know what it means or take GREAT offense to it, but if I were to call them "colored," very little offense is taken to that word anymore. In fact, the very word "black" was under a lot of debate around the millennium break, but ultimately not very many people took offense to it: even though it's root definition is just a color (or a "neutral" for any of you art-snobs).

You can see the same sort of progression for many cultures. Chinese as "Chinks," Jews as "Heebs," etc. Hell, we even have our pro sports teams as "Braves" and "Redskins" and "Indians" (the term "Indians" went through a nice little debate around the turn of the millennium, too), that still use caricatured native American logos. It's actually very interesting to see the first logo that the Indians or other teams released and compare it to today's: I'll show it below.

Point is, racism is only as deep as the ideal that it sets. If the ideal expires (even though the word may still exist), the degradation expires.

Indians:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=57

Braves:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=51

Redskins:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=168

Chiefs:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=162

Warriors:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=249
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=1429
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=235

Even Colleges!:
Syracuse:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=859

Florida State:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=679

San Diego State:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=8

In college we can also examine the contrast of Colonial-empowered logos, and how they aren't as subject to change (until perhaps recently) or even change in the opposite direction, which is interesting:
Ole Miss:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=754

Rob Morris:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=816

EKU:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=668

Massachusetts:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=887

Las Vegas:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=888

George Washington:
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=685

That list can go on and on with the amount of Cowboy references, etc, there are. It's also ASTONISHING how many "Eagles" there are out there, which is by no coincidence.+

[Wizzy`]

I feel invisible...

[Ächilles]

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone argue that racism has to deal with race...

When you say something stupid and false, and then say it's just semantics...well, yeah, words have meanings. It's worth combining them in ways that make sense. :cool:

I stand by this statement as a reason for this being a semantics and logistical debate:

I don't believe so. If you are born in America, you are an American. No, it's not a race in the traditional sense - we're not natives. But at what point do we become our own entity? Iceland had no native people, and was completely uninhabited until being colonized by the Vikings, yet they still identify themselves as Icelandic. At what point are we simply Americans?

[bdog1321]

We will never be "simply Americans" until we let our differences bind us together, rather than define us. Instead of placing such emphasis on diversity and recognizing our roots and all of that blahblahblah that makes us think of ourselves as different people in the same country, we need to truly become the "melting pot."

That being said, we'll probably never be a true race in the strict definition because of all of the different races that make us up.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Who'd want a unilateral American race?

If you're not from Latin America, America is the far and away the best country into which you can immigrate, and we're proud of that. It's like one of the only things we have over Europe.

[The Professor?]

Nah. We're better at basketball.

And football.

[*Sanosuke*]

http://www.xepisodes.com/southpark/episodes/408/Chef-Goes-Nanners.html

Southpark answers for you.

[*Sanosuke*]

are 5 minutes is the real part of it. It's pretty hilarious.

[The Cheat]

South Park stopped being funny years ago.

[Toledo 13]

South Park stopped being funny years ago.

Agreed.

[mino]

I feel invisible...

I see you.

[R G]

I don't think anyone should use the n-word.

But that is just me.

I don't think people should use alot of words, but that's my opinion....I also don't think people should be PREVENTED from saying certain words. I believe in FREEDOM.

People try to offend other people all of the time, why not learn to ignore those people who might offend you. Truth is people only offend you when you think they might be making a point....otherwise they are just speaking out their ass....it's one reason you aren't on my ignore list nor anyone else is either for that matter.:)

[meat.eater]

I also don't think people should be PREVENTED from saying certain words. I believe in FREEDOM.

Good thing nobody is, then.

[Xiahou Dun]

I believe in FREEDOM.

Hehehe. Cute...

*Ruffles hair*

[Hellblazer]

Y'know what my Sociology professor has to say to that, R G? "Freedom for who? Everyone?... Or just white people?"

[Lex]

Y'know what my Sociology professor has to say to that, R G? "Freedom for who? Everyone?... Or just white people?"

Not white people, just white males of voting age.

[Trojan]

that own property.

[Magician]

I believe in FREEDOM.

I am offended by this. Are you Scottish? Do you wear a kilt? :mad:

[The Cheat]

Oh sure RG likes freedom.

But only for those like him.

[Hellblazer]

Oh sure RG likes freedom.

But only for those like him.

What, the Scotts? We have nukes... they have bagpipes and kilts. Which stereotype wins?
We could raid them and steal their freedom!

[The Cheat]

What, the Scotts? We have nukes... they have bagpipes and kilts. Which stereotype wins?
We could raid them and steal their freedom!

I said RG. Not Mag.

Pay attention a bit more.

[R G]

I am offended by this. Are you Scottish? Do you wear a kilt? :mad:

American by birth...but I do have ancestors from Scotland....and yes I have worn a kilt.

Why did I offend you? :confused:

[R G]

Oh sure RG likes freedom.

But only for those like him.


Freedom's for everyone...what makes you think otherwise?

[The Cheat]

Freedom for everyone?

What a joke.

[R G]

Freedom for everyone?

What a joke.

What you don't think people should have freedom? :confused:

[*Sanosuke*]

He's saying just because America is supposed to be a "Free" country, doesn't necessarily mean it actually is a "Free" country.

[Hellblazer]

He's saying just because America is supposed to be a "Free" country, doesn't necessarily mean it actually is a "Free" country.

Freedom ain't free... literally.
And neither is double-posting. Seed taxes you for that shit, R G

[The Cheat]

He's saying just because America is supposed to be a "Free" country, doesn't necessarily mean it actually is a "Free" country.

Yep.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Freedom for everyone?

What a joke.

what freedom are you not afforded? is this just some cynical bullshit, or do you have an example?

[Take a Look]

Interesting discussion. Has it been pointed out yet that most early african slaves were sold by fellow africans after their tribes were conquered?

Slavery was more or less a universal trait in human civilization before it was rooted out.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Interesting discussion. Has it been pointed out yet that most early african slaves were sold by fellow africans after their tribes were conquered?

Slavery was more or less a universal trait in human civilization before it was rooted out.

We get it -- you have white guilt, but instead of sucking it up like the rest of us you're trying to defame blacks by insisting their history was just as bloody as everyone else's, in turn discrediting modern day double standards.

don't be stupid. majority does not justify means. blood libels and human sacrifice were a "universal trait" in most early religions. is that cool now too?

i could list all the instances of American racism, but the fact remains black people were enslaved cruelly by white people. cite an exception, i don't really care -- this is 99% fact.

there's a world of difference between pointing out modern day double standards and insisting they have no basis. blacks are still feeling the ripple effects of slavery to this day; it's ignorant and insensitive to insist that since other Africans early on sold other Africans it's just as much their fault as ours. actually -- that's just retarded.

[Hellblazer]

what freedom are you not afforded? is this just some cynical bullshit, or do you have an example?

I can't walk into a Congressional meeting and say, "Hey, f*** the President and his Socialism! F*** the war! You guys are fascists!" I'd be detained.

[Jeffery]

I can't walk into a Congressional meeting and say, "Hey, f*** the President and his Socialism! F*** the war! You guys are fascists!" I'd be detained.
You'd be detained for randomly walking in and saying "Hey, Omaba is the greatest, and you guys are doing a great job, keep it up!"

[Hellblazer]

True. Speaking of which, I find his Nobel Peace Prize highly laughable.

[Jeffery]

True. Speaking of which, I find his Nobel Peace Prize highly laughable.
Just his?

Maybe you've never paid attention to the winners, but kost of them are epic phails.

[Northwind]

If you were accused of being racist and punished for it, by someone of the ethnicity that you supposedly were racist towards, wouldn't you start to appreciate that race a little less? Personally I think afroamericans should be a little grateful towards your ancestors. For yours bringing them over and yours enduring what you put them through.

Still, blacks act like they are the only race with slavery in its past. Act like they are owed something.

All right TAL, I was gonna ignore this thread and let people argue over the semantics of this versus that for the next 47 pages.

But, based on this post, you are either a skilled troll or a racist dumbass. First, what gives you, an obvious middlebrow suburban white boy, the balls to suggest the you know what black people "should" do? I mean, sure blacks have had several centuries on American soil, but apparently they're too stupid to figure out what they "should do" until you wisely show up and offer them your sage advice. I don't know what they did without you, TAL. They should thank their lucky stars that you came along.

It is also precious how you assume that you have the inside pipeline into what "blacks" think. According to you, they all "act like they are the only race with slavery in its past" and "act like they are owed something." So apparently, you surveyed every black person in America and they all stated that they believed this. Because if not, then you are stereotyping an entire race based on your limited knowledge of what you assume a few of them think. Which is straight up racist BS.

So which is TAL? Are you a savvy internet troll or a racist dumbass? For your sake, I hope you're a troll. Based on your thread, I'm starting to understand why people might assume the only Caucasians are racist. Fellow forum members - was I too harsh here?

[Hellblazer]

North, I do have one small inkling to add to slightly support TAL's argument, though most of it is ridiculous. This inkling of support is the fact that black Americans want to be paid for their ancestors' suffering. Can they prove that these people were their ancestors? Maybe. Does that matter? No! The people that enslaved their ancestors do not owe the current black citizens anything, because they also weren't the exact people who enslaved those ancestors.

[Jeffery]

North, I do have one small inkling to add to slightly support TAL's argument, though most of it is ridiculous. This inkling of support is the fact that black Americans want to be paid for their ancestors' suffering. Can they prove that these people were their ancestors? Maybe. Does that matter? No! The people that enslaved their ancestors do not owe the current black citizens anything, because they also weren't the exact people who enslaved those ancestors.
Yes. Every black american has demanded that all white americans pay them money.

Every single one.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

North, I do have one small inkling to add to slightly support TAL's argument, though most of it is ridiculous. This inkling of support is the fact that black Americans want to be paid for their ancestors' suffering. Can they prove that these people were their ancestors? Maybe. Does that matter? No! The people that enslaved their ancestors do not owe the current black citizens anything, because they also weren't the exact people who enslaved those ancestors.

this is by and large retarded.

i know no black people who at all reference slavery regularly, if ever, nor any white people who insist their ancestors weren't plantation owners. the ripple effects WHITE people had by enslaving and segregating BLACK people has had huge overarching effects. the socioeconomic mean between black people and white people is stark and disturbing.

i know no african americans who wish to be "paid" for their ancestors slavery, but i do think proactive politicians -- both white and black -- should work to tear downs the barriers forgone slavery has set up. in fact -- you should to. volunteering in inner-city immigrant/black communities has been a rewarding experience for me.

and i know i make it sound like all black people are poor and all live in the inner-city, and this is certianly not the case. there are a few white families in the community centers i visit, and many, many successful black people. but look at the poverty/prison rates along ethnic lines and there is an unfortunate difference.

in short: no one is still discussing slavery and black revenge, but it doesn't mean the effects of slavery are far from exterminated, and you'd be an ignoramus to suggest otherwise.

[Ächilles]

Freedom for everyone?

What a joke.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm going to have to disagree. America is pretty free. Certain civil rights are barred, and things like freedom of speech are being awarded less and less lateral movement these days, but for the most part it's not too bad.

The real inherent problem with the United States is how indirect our democracy has become. As I said, I don't believe we're too policed. We're certainly not as free as say the Scandinavian countries, but we're far from a totalitarian state. The biggest concern should be reconnecting the severed ties between people and government. If this isn't done, then we very well could end up in an exponentially less free society.

In terms of freedoms, one of the less controversial ones is marijuana prohibition. This is considered a civil liberty. I read back in January that for the first time in the nation's history, the majority (albeit a small one, like 52%) of the country was for the legalization, taxation, and regulation of marijuana. In a more direct democracy, we would simply vote on it. This issue, when it had a bit more steam earlier in the year, could have been put on a ballot with whatever else was being discusses in the public forum, and we could have voted on it. This makes much more sense than ceaseless deliberation influenced by the bureaucracy and the desire to maintain stature.

I believe this makes much more sense. Direct democracy is the fairest way to conduct government.

[Hellblazer]

Yes. Every black american has demanded that all white americans pay them money.

Every single one.

No, no. And it's not retarded, Doc. There have been some cases in the news of black Americans demanding owed money for their enslaved ancestors. Also, at no point did I say this pertained to all black Americans.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

actually, you did, but i'll take your word that you didn't sincerely mean it. ;)

and i'd actually be pretty interested to see this instances (this isn't a challenge, it's curiosity.)

[BaxVarlet]

actually, you did, but i'll take your word that you didn't sincerely mean it. ;)

and i'd actually be pretty interested to see this instances (this isn't a challenge, it's curiosity.)

Will you start capitalizing appropriate letters?

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

nO

[Hellblazer]

and i'd actually be pretty interested to see this instances (this isn't a challenge, it's curiosity.)

Though the site looks iffy, this was one example. (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-11061616.html)

[Trojan]

We get it -- you have white guilt, but instead of sucking it up like the rest of us you're trying to defame blacks by insisting their history was just as bloody as everyone else's, in turn discrediting modern day double standards.

African history is incredibly violent and bloody. Double standards exist for everything. America makes an extreme effort to make people or all backgrounds equal.

don't be stupid. majority does not justify means. blood libels and human sacrifice were a "universal trait" in most early religions. is that cool now too?

American slavery ended almost 150 years ago. That's about 5 generations ago.

The American Civil Rights movement hit major advancements in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, 45 years ago.

Slavery is not something white people of today should have to "pay" for. They have no control over history way beyond their control. A more relevant issue is true equality between people.

What are some things that influence people?
School.
Young children of all races are in school together taught that they are equals. Their is affirmitive action to continue diversity in higher education.

Music.
Hip-hop/rap by far stems racism more than any other form of popular music.


i could list all the instances of American racism, but the fact remains black people were enslaved cruelly by white people. cite an exception, i don't really care -- this is 99% fact.

White people cruelly enslaved black people? They did 400-145 years ago until they freed them and started slowly facilitation a more free and equal world.

In 1822 white Americans founded Liberia, an African nation for American slaves to move to Africa to live a more free and equal lifestyle.

More modern slavery is human trafficing of women and children, a relevent and growing problem.

there's a world of difference between pointing out modern day double standards and insisting they have no basis. blacks are still feeling the ripple effects of slavery to this day; it's ignorant and insensitive to insist that since other Africans early on sold other Africans it's just as much their fault as ours. actually -- that's just retarded.

It isn't retarded to state that African sold African as slaves. They did. The buyer is as guilty as the seller, but you can't force the blame onto one and not the other. Blacks aren't feeling the ripple effects of slavery, they are feeling the ripple effects of the Civil Rights movement, just as women are feeling the ripple effects of the Women's Sufferage. Time heals wounds, reopening them constantly doesn't speed up the process.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

African history is incredibly violent and bloody. Double standards exist for everything. America makes an extreme effort to make people or all backgrounds equal.

a race's history as bloody by its own means of civil war or tribal disputes is far different from a race's history as bloody from a result of imperialism and slavery.

not sure how the second sentence is connected to your idea, but i agree. America is great for immigrating peoples.

American slavery ended almost 150 years ago. That's about 5 generations ago.

yes.

The American Civil Rights movement hit major advancements in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, 45 years ago.

which was about 2-3 generations ago. all 3 of my living grandparents can remember segregation in their early schooling. i don't view segregating an entire people due to the color of their skin necessarily as bad as slavery, but it's not far removed, no? the same sentiments are there, if but a little more concealed.

Slavery is not something white people of today should have to "pay" for. They have no control over history way beyond their control. A more relevant issue is true equality between people.

i never said they should pay for it, but to insist there is not a socioeconomic barrier between whites and blacks is ignorant.

black median income: $33,000
white median income: $55,000

% of black families below the poverty line: 24.4%
% of white families below the poverty line: 8.2%

life expectancy of a black man: 69.5 years
life expectancy of a white man: 75.7 years

% of college degrees in black persons over 25: 18.5%
% of college degrees in white persons over 25: 31%

3,042 black men per 100,000 are or have been incarcerated
487 white men per 100,000 are or have been incarcerated

i read an incredibly fascinating book called Freakonomics, in which the economist/author systematically proves, among other things, that success is in no way related to race, but rather socioeconomic standings. white people who were very poor did just as poorly in society as black people who were very poor and lived in bad communities. similarly, upper middle class black people did just as well -- if not better -- than upper middle class white people who lived in safer communities.

with the knowledge that there is no inherent difference in intelligence/prowls for success in whites or blacks or hispanics or blues or greens how do you explain these staggering statistics? why is it black people have lower incomes, live shorter, get fewer college degrees, and get incarcerated more? i'll flat out say there's i don't understand the concrete relation between these statistics and past slavery or delaying of civil rights, but what other factors could determine this? black people aren't dumber, aren't less prone to succeed when given the opportunities, so why is there this disparity?

it is for these reasons i suggested proactive politicians, as many of them are, attempt to rectify the problems not just blacks, but all inner-city and impoverished children face in efforts to succeed.

What are some things that influence people?
School.
Young children of all races are in school together taught that they are equals. Their is affirmitive action to continue diversity in higher education.

yes

Music.
Hip-hop/rap by far stems racism more than any other form of popular music.

i'm not sure i buy into all the hype that gangster music equivocates, or relates to, much real racism, but i'm not very familiar with the topic, so i guess i concede.


White people cruelly enslaved black people? They did 400-145 years ago until they freed them and started slowly facilitation a more free and equal world.

In 1822 white Americans founded Liberia, an African nation for American slaves to move to Africa to live a more free and equal lifestyle.

that's just too idyllic for my likings ;)

in 1800 there were approximately 100,000 free blacks in a country that housed 7.2 million. moreover, these blacks weren't freed in the North due to much sentiment as to regard them equals, but rather due to a lack of work for them specifically/whiter work available. the North didn't have great plains to farm with manual labors; they were fishers, timberers, weavers, owners of small industry -- all tasks deemed no better suited for black men than white men, unlike, say, farming.

Liberia was set up to ship off some of these unwanted blacks far far away, and even when they got there they were aliens in their own communities; moreover, these numbers were very small, and by the time they established independence from local government there were, count it, 3000 black American settlers.

i guess ideologically it was the case that "yes, blacks are equal and here have this brand new country" but in practice very few blacks were free, even fewer went, and when they got there it was no haven. i mean, Liberia? Liberia?! you had the whole civil rights movement to cite and you bravely choose Liberia as an example of establishment of American equality? shipping unwanted laborers across an ocean is a far cry from societal equality to me.


More modern slavery is human trafficing of women and children, a relevent and growing problem.

i agree


It isn't retarded to state that African sold African as slaves. They did. The buyer is as guilty as the seller, but you can't force the blame onto one and not the other. Blacks aren't feeling the ripple effects of slavery, they are feeling the ripple effects of the Civil Rights movement, just as women are feeling the ripple effects of the Women's Sufferage. Time heals wounds, reopening them constantly doesn't speed up the process.

it's retarded to invoke guilt upon all black people because very very early on very very few of them sold their brothers into slavery. in the same breath, it's retarded to invoke all white people for the guilt of enslavement.

[Hellblazer]

Their is affirmitive action to continue diversity in higher education.


I like this statement. It's funny because that's not at all how it works in reality. It all ends in law-suits, people getting shunned, and more racism. Yay racism!

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

yes, all affirmative action cases end in the supreme court.

thats like saying louis farrakhan represents all of black america.

oh wait ;)

[Hellblazer]

yes, all affirmative action cases end in the supreme court.

thats like saying louis farrakhan represents all of black america.

oh wait ;)

Oh stop!:p You're just mis-interpreting what I'm trying to say. I speak generally, but that's because I'm far too lazy and tired to go into any more specific depth and drag up some court cases (which I didn't say necessarily made it to the Supreme Court:cool:)

[meat.eater]

DD: When did you become such a good freakin' poster? I really like reading what you have to say. You're remarkably, remarkably intelligent for your age.

[Trojan]

a race's history as bloody by its own means of civil war or tribal disputes is far different from a race's history as bloody from a result of imperialism and slavery.
Africa isn't a country. African nations are infamous for constant wars and humanitarian crimes against each other.


which was about 2-3 generations ago. all 3 of my living grandparents can remember segregation in their early schooling. i don't view segregating an entire people due to the color of their skin necessarily as bad as slavery, but it's not far removed, no? the same sentiments are there, if but a little more concealed.

Exactly 2-3 generations ago, time hasn't passed yet so issues involving the Civil Rights movement haven't completely passed yet. Slavery is such a distant issue that people can't relate at all to it anymore.

i read an incredibly fascinating book called Freakonomics, in which the economist/author systematically proves, among other things, that success is in no way related to race, but rather socioeconomic standings. white people who were very poor did just as poorly in society as black people who were very poor and lived in bad communities. similarly, upper middle class black people did just as well -- if not better -- than upper middle class white people who lived in safer communities.

Freakonomics is a great book. However, how many generatiosn does it take a group of people that were previously uneducated and unpaid to catch up socially and economicly to the group of previously educated and paid people.

If 150 years ago a black man was a slave, and a white man a farmer.
Then 75 years ago their sons are an under-paid harassed farm worker and a plantation owner.
Then 25 years ago their grandchildern are a military veteran and a college educated pilot.
Then today their great grandchildren are both college educated computer techs, but one has a multi-generational inheiritance of property or businesses.
When will they be equal economically?

with the knowledge that there is no inherent difference in intelligence/prowls for success in whites or blacks or hispanics or blues or greens how do you explain these staggering statistics? why is it black people have lower incomes, live shorter, get fewer college degrees, and get incarcerated more? i'll flat out say there's i don't understand the concrete relation between these statistics and past slavery or delaying of civil rights, but what other factors could determine this? black people aren't dumber, aren't less prone to succeed when given the opportunities, so why is there this disparity?


They are slowly moving up as a group, you can't just jump out from unequality to equality with a passed law. Your house is still in the same neighborhood, you're job is still the same, you still haven't gone to college, but now your children and your children's child can build off this written equality to true equality down the line.

Equality isn't quite here, but we as Americans are facilitating it's growth over time.

[meat.eater]

Slavery is such a distant issue that people can't relate at all to it anymore.

Where are all these people that folks in this thread have taken the liberty to speak on behalf of? Can I talk to them?

[Toledo 13]

Trust him. And let him finish... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI)

[Hellblazer]

Where are all these people that folks in this thread have taken the liberty to speak on behalf of? Can I talk to them?

The fact that we're generalizing is because that's what human beings are led to do. We automatically make ourselves and others close to us or who we've heard of representative of a whole.
Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong. For these cases, it can establish a good argument either way.

Oh, and hulky: what did you mean when you said, "Exactly 2-3 generations ago, time hasn't passed yet so issues involving the Civil Rights movement haven't completely passed yet. Slavery is such a distant issue that people can't relate at all to it anymore."?

Edit: Toledo, you support hurricane relief and the black Americans suffering from it! Yay!

[Trojan]

Where are all these people that folks in this thread have taken the liberty to speak on behalf of? Can I talk to them?

How can you relate to slavery?

If you can, then can you also tell me how it feels to relate to the gold rush, the American Civil War, and everything else that is 150 years out dated.

Oh, and hulky: what did you mean when you said, "Exactly 2-3 generations ago, time hasn't passed yet so issues involving the Civil Rights movement haven't completely passed yet. Slavery is such a distant issue that people can't relate at all to it anymore."?

Slavery happened 5 generations ago, they are all dead.
Civil rights 2-3 generations ago. They are still alive.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

DD: When did you become such a good freakin' poster? I really like reading what you have to say. You're remarkably, remarkably intelligent for your age.

thanks meat, that means a lot man. :)

Africa isn't a country. African nations are infamous for constant wars and humanitarian crimes against each other.

African nations are in such turmoil largely due to European imperialism, but I digress. You simply cannnot argue that African-Americans have a bloody and beaten history by no fault of their own, which was the only point I was asserting. I wasn't speaking on behalf of all of Africa (or at least I didn't mean to be.)

Exactly 2-3 generations ago, time hasn't passed yet so issues involving the Civil Rights movement haven't completely passed yet. Slavery is such a distant issue that people can't relate at all to it anymore.

you miss the critical link between slavery to segregation to the civil rights movement. racism has tracked alongside the growth of the U.S. as a nation.

you start out with early colonies and a largely agrarian economy: blacks are field slaves doing the manual labor white people were too above.

you progress into industry and slightly more liberal thinking: blacks are prohibited from educational institutions (or segregated from) and pushed into lower-wage and municipal jobs. same sentiment, but since your society is no longer so strictly agrarian it's expressed differently. while it's most easily relatable racism to say, "hey, there is a white man forcing a black man to do field work" it is equally racist to exclude blacks from finer education and from becoming professionals.

you progress into America today past the civil rights movement: blacks have equal status among whites in every conceivable notion legislatively, if not more rites. but how far removed are you from the days of segregation? 2-3 generations. i can't say i've ever seen real african american racism (i live in massachusetts, after all) but i would bet it's not entirely rooted out in America. strides -- great strides -- are being made, but it's not say it's not still there if but more subtly. cite incarceration rates -- there've been studies proven white and black policemen's bias towards blacker criminals.



Freakonomics is a great book. However, how many generatiosn does it take a group of people that were previously uneducated and unpaid to catch up socially and economicly to the group of previously educated and paid people.

If 150 years ago a black man was a slave, and a white man a farmer.
Then 75 years ago their sons are an under-paid harassed farm worker and a plantation owner.
Then 25 years ago their grandchildern are a military veteran and a college educated pilot.
Then today their great grandchildren are both college educated computer techs, but one has a multi-generational inheiritance of property or businesses.
When will they be equal economically?

right. so black people are still feeling the ripple effects of slavery?


Equality isn't quite here, but we as Americans are facilitating it's growth over time.

slightly out of place, but agreeable nonetheless.

[Realist]

Most blacks do actually (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/26/slavery.reparations/) support reparations.

[Hellblazer]

Most blacks do actually (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/26/slavery.reparations/) support reparations.

Ha! There, DD.

[Toledo 13]

I find it funny that 'white' people are annoyed at how often 'black' people pull out the race card, yet are so quick to whip out their own incognito race card in the form of, "When black people are racist to white people no one considers it racism. That's racist." Intelligent people consider it racism regardless of skin color, unintelligent people let skin color skew the level of racism present in their mind. There are racist white people. There are racist black people. There are racist people with every color of skin and every shade in between. As for white people seeing themselves as the only ones being labeled 'racist', that is a load of horse dookie. The fact of the matter is anyone can be racist regardless of their physical features and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't worth losing sleep over.

[Hellblazer]

I find it funny that 'white' people are annoyed at how often 'black' people pull out the race card, yet are so quick to whip out their own incognito race card in the form of, "When black people are racist to white people no one considers it racism. That's racist."

I believe a major point in society is that people do view black people being hateful of white people as racism, as was stated within that statement. This creates more black vs. white racism, as does other things.
This is essentially a fairly obvious opening statement... I don't see any argument to it.

Intelligent people consider it racism regardless of skin color, unintelligent people let skin color skew the level of racism present in their mind. There are racist white people. There are racist black people. There are racist people with every color of skin and every shade in between. As for white people seeing themselves as the only ones being labeled 'racist', that is a load of horse dookie. The fact of the matter is anyone can be racist regardless of their physical features and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't worth losing sleep over.

Duh! Again! I fail to see the point in any of this post, really.

[Toledo 13]

I don't see any argument to it.

Neither do I. I fail to see any argument here altogether. I tried to explain the lack of an argument, not create a new one.

[Hellblazer]

Neither do I. I fail to see any argument here altogether. I tried to explain why I saw no argument, not create a new one.

Well, we're arguing specifics and some of the politics and history of it now, not the fact that it exists. You should know by now that a thread's title is only reminiscent of the first page.

[Toledo 13]

Well, we're arguing specifics and some of the politics and history of it now, not the fact that it exists. You should know by now that a thread's title is only reminiscent of the first page.

It's never too late to entertain the thought that the entire subject you are arguing is flawed or invalid, regardless of how deep into the argument you may be.

[Hellblazer]

Well, it's not flawed. Racial issues are everywhere, and it's fun to discuss different opinions behind them.

[Toledo 13]

Well, it's not flawed. Racial issues are everywhere, and it's fun to discuss different opinions behind them.

I thought we were sharing insight and logical opinions, I didn't realize we were trying to find the most fun response.

[Hellblazer]

I thought we were sharing insight and logical opinions, I didn't realize we were trying to find the most fun response.

What, my smilies weren't fun?:(
Anyway, I have to get up at 8:30. I'll be back tomorrow.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Ha! There, DD.

i guess, but the article you led me to was a few hundred zonkers and a speech from louis farrakhan.

they're the only statistics i've insofar come across, so i kind of have to go on them, but i wish more than a more comprehensive effort than 146 person study was conducted on the issue.

I thought we were sharing insight and logical opinions, I didn't realize we were trying to find the most fun response.

the whole idea being those aren't mutually exclusive. i think intellectual stimulation is fun.

[meat.eater]

How can you relate to slavery?

If you can, then can you also tell me how it feels to relate to the gold rush, the American Civil War, and everything else that is 150 years out dated.

Shoot, it seems to me that Confederacy is a concept that people still relate to quite a bit. And that's from, well, the exact same time period. Imagine being black around one of those lovely Neo-confederates, or even just someone flying the confederate flag. Tell them how relevant the concept of slavery is.

But, I dunno, Hulky, why don't you go up to any African American and mention how their ancestors were probably slaves. Or, hell, just bring up slavery in general. And see if their reaction is completely academic. Because it wont be.

There are a lot of on-going social issues in this nation that haven't gone dormant. Sure, they're not really directly an issue any more (women's rights, native american lands, etc), but they certainly are still applicable and people certainly still "relate" to them.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

How can you relate to slavery?

If you can, then can you also tell me how it feels to relate to the gold rush, the American Civil War, and everything else that is 150 years out dated.

expanding on meat's post, relation actually implies you were not directly involved in the incident. i can relate to the holocaust because i'm Jewish, but i couldn't necessary tell you what it was like in a concentration camp. similarly, black americans can relate to slavery.

[Hellblazer]

black americans can relate to slavery.

Yeah, because socially they are today's slaves. They're the slaves of most meaningful racism. Although Muslims and Arabs are getting it too, black Americans will always be a race that people seem to be out to put down, just like in the times of slavery.

[The Butcher]

Yeah, because socially they are today's slaves. They're the slaves of most meaningful racism. Although Muslims and Arabs are getting it too, black Americans will always be a race that people seem to be out to put down, just like in the times of slavery.

I disagree, and here's why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI&feature=related).

[mushroom_girl]

I disagree, and here's why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI&feature=related).

DAMMIT!

Seriously guys, saying that some races are more racist than another is just ironic and idiotic. It depends on the individual, and has nothing to do with the color of their skin.

I went to a really diverse school, and that put a lot of things in perspective. It's all about how/where you're raised, not about what color your skin is that makes you more or less prejudiced.

"Society's slaves"...Blazer please tell me you're not serious.

[Hellblazer]

"Society's slaves"...Blazer please tell me you're not serious.

Show me where I said those words exactly. This thread seems to be turning into a giant battle for intention.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Show me where I said those words exactly. This thread seems to be turning into a giant battle for intention.

Yeah, because socially they are today's slaves. They're the slaves of most meaningful racism. Although Muslims and Arabs are getting it too, black Americans will always be a race that people seem to be out to put down, just like in the times of slavery.

i dont even know what you're trying to say here, but you said it.

social
of or pertaining to human society, esp. as a body divided into classes according to status: social rank.

social
of or pertaining to the life, welfare, and relations of human beings in a community: social problems.


yeah...

[The Cheat]

When it comes to race relations, I think it is best said this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-jVAHAuiS4

[Take a Look]

We get it -- you have white guilt, but instead of sucking it up like the rest of us you're trying to defame blacks by insisting their history was just as bloody as everyone else's, in turn discrediting modern day double standards.

don't be stupid. majority does not justify means. blood libels and human sacrifice were a "universal trait" in most early religions. is that cool now too?

i could list all the instances of American racism, but the fact remains black people were enslaved cruelly by white people. cite an exception, i don't really care -- this is 99% fact.

there's a world of difference between pointing out modern day double standards and insisting they have no basis. blacks are still feeling the ripple effects of slavery to this day; it's ignorant and insensitive to insist that since other Africans early on sold other Africans it's just as much their fault as ours. actually -- that's just retarded.


Early on? They still do it, same with ethnic cleansing that is still occurring in Africa.

The thing is a white person shouldn't feel guilty, contrary to what people believe, white people aren't the ones cornering the market on atrocities against other races.

It's just that the events are more fresh in the cultural mind, and we've grown as a civilization and so we feel guilt over conquering when in the past no one would have cared.

[Killuminati]

Racism Isn't going to end until the older generation dies out.

"Afroamericans"?

What do you call that? (Racist)

[Gypsy]

I disagree, and here's why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI&feature=related).

GG thread, GG.

I'm going to declare this thread a very successful troll. Nice job TAL.

I still don't know why I just read the last 4 pages on 20 posts per page. :/

[Killuminati]

[QUOTE=Take a Look;1745055]Seriously, f##k Afroamericans!


How about music? How many times have you heard a rapper say "crackers, Whiteboy, lame ass white boy"?





Just like black people call each other "N".

White people also sometimes call themselves "White boy" or make white jokes. Just like blacks. Just like a white comic on Martin Law Comedy something, was calling himself white trash, or white boy. So?

[I MaFiA I]

I do not approve of this thread.

[_Thunder_]

So hows the thug life mafia?

[I MaFiA I]

So hows the thug life mafia?

lol. The thug life? It's about as alive as the most legendary pedophile known to man. I met up with a lot of gangbangers I knew from back home, and they connected me with their friends and whatnot, but it was painfully obvious that they weren't going to survive the first semester. So now I hang out with my black friends that have their head on (somewhat) straight, and some white dudes. I seriously had no idea white people had this much fun. There's like a beer pong tournament every Thursday Friday and Saturday night. Mind you, prior to college I have never played a game of beer pong. Black people's idea of an entertaining night was to buy a gallon of black label, an ounce of kush, rolling it into a swisher (my white friends let me rip a bong for the first time here too) and getting some brain from the neighborhood bustdown (If you don't get laid after all the intoxicants available you're pretty much a loser).

I thought it didn't get any better than a party back home, but I was wrong.

[Jeffery]

lol. The thug life? It's about as alive as the most legendary pedophile known to man. I met up with a lot of gangbangers I knew from back home, and they connected me with their friends and whatnot, but it was painfully obvious that they weren't going to survive the first semester. So now I hang out with my black friends that have their head on (somewhat) straight, and some white dudes. I seriously had no idea white people had this much fun. There's like a beer pong tournament every Thursday Friday and Saturday night. Mind you, prior to college I have never played a game of beer pong. Black people's idea of an entertaining night was to buy a gallon of black label, an ounce of kush, rolling it into a swisher (my white friends let me rip a bong for the first time here too) and getting some brain from the neighborhood bustdown (If you don't get laid after all the intoxicants available you're pretty much a loser).

I thought it didn't get any better than a party back home, but I was wrong.
Ahhhh. A 7 year senior in the making.

[mushroom_girl]

Show me where I said those words exactly. This thread seems to be turning into a giant battle for intention.
Yeah, because socially they are today's slaves.

That's exactly what you said, Blazer. Just longer.

And attention? You're just aching for it so don't even talk about other people.

[Hellblazer]

That's exactly what you said, Blazer. Just longer.

And attention? You're just aching for it so don't even talk about other people.

Ok, ATTENTION is not INTENTION. Second of all, what I meant was that, due to widespread social racism which is often geared toward them, they are still oppressed. It may not be a huge matter in terms of oppression (there are probably far worse scenarios elsewhere) but it's still, as such, a problem.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Ok, ATTENTION is not INTENTION. Second of all, what I meant was that, due to widespread social racism which is often geared toward them, they are still oppressed. It may not be a huge matter in terms of oppression (there are probably far worse scenarios elsewhere) but it's still, as such, a problem.

no, blacks are not oppressed -- this would imply an active role in "oppressing" them when they've had equal rights for over 4 decades now. you could say they are perhaps repressed or slightly hindered by lingering racist sentiment and the ripple effects of slavery, but we've been saying that for the past 5 pages soo...

and i know im being a semantic doucher, but there is an important difference. the prefix "op" or "ob" means towards/against while the prefix "re" means behind. so, oppression is active and blatant racism while repression is far more subtle. african-americans are definitely not oppressed and definitely not "society's slaves".

i also strongly contest that "social racism", as you put, it is widespread.

[Hellblazer]

Yeah, I was debating which word to use, but repressed by social racism is more on the money for my addition to... whoevers' argument I originally added that to.

[mushroom_girl]

Ok, ATTENTION is not INTENTION. Second of all, what I meant was that, due to widespread social racism which is often geared toward them, they are still oppressed. It may not be a huge matter in terms of oppression (there are probably far worse scenarios elsewhere) but it's still, as such, a problem.

Ah my bad, guess I should pay more attention! :p

[Lex]

Why are you guys still arguing, debating, /whatevering. Can't we all just agree that no one cares about black people?

[Hellblazer]

Ah my bad, guess I should pay more attention! :p

Well, you are the center of attention after all. Why would you need to know what attention is?;)

[Take a Look]

We have new phenomenon now where everyone who disagrees with President Obama is automatically labeled as being racist.

So I submit to you, that being called racists is no longer a big deal. There lots of people in every race who racist against certain groups.

White people in the USA have a social problem. Most of them have been told since they where children that they need feel guilty about anything race related because who may or may not be their ancestors gave minorities the shaft, both figuratively and literally, for hundreds of years. When the topic of race comes up white people indoctrinated were they automatically feel guilty about it even if they didn't do anything wrong.

In the mean time there lots of people who belong to different Minorities who are openly racist and nothing ever happens.

There are things that need to need change. And one of the things that needs to change the most is white guilt.


This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go&feature=player_embedded

lol

[CPC]

We have new phenomenon now where everyone who disagrees with President Obama is automatically labeled as being racist.

So I submit to you, that being called racists is no longer a big deal. There lots of people in every race who racist against certain groups.

White people in the USA have a social problem. Most of them have been told since they where children that they need feel guilty about anything race related because who may or may not be their ancestors gave minorities the shaft, both figuratively and literally, for hundreds of years. When the topic of race comes up white people indoctrinated were they automatically feel guilty about it even if they didn't do anything wrong.

In the mean time there lots of people who belong to different Minorities who are openly racist and nothing ever happens.

There are things that need to need change. And one of the things that needs to change the most is white guilt.


This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go&feature=player_embedded

lol

You have a history of hating on America and its society. Old news, just because you don't live here doesn't mean you have to trash it. "White people" have their reasons for acting the way they do and you said it in your post. Nothing will change about that. Hate on hater!

[Take a Look]

Im white, I love most white people. <3

[Hellblazer]

Im white, I love most white people. <3

Just not most black people or hispanic people or asians...:rolleyes:
What you're saying, though, is very true. A norm in society is that white people are raised with a guilt for other races while other races may sometimes teach a bit of intolerance for white people or other races because they repressed them or oppressed them throughout history. Thus, when white people encounter this counter-intuitive way of thinking, they begin to unlearn their childhood teachings.
Thus, racism is born. Yay, we've figured out how it starts. Although in this day and age, at least this is what I observed in middle school, kids will just start joking about racist slurs and comments with their friends who won't get as offended. However, this teaches something different: that it's ok. It's not, but what's a kid to do, growing up with it?

[Trojan]

Whites are racist cuz we have Punishment and he is obviously the best.

[Take a Look]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY&feature=player_embedded#at=96

finally, complete verification on my stance on things.
there is nothing wrong with being white, taking advantage of your advantages, and being OK with it.

[Hellblazer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY&feature=player_embedded#at=96

finally, complete verification on my stance on things.
there is nothing wrong with being white, taking advantage of your advantages, and being OK with it.

That's a comedian. Yes, they have valid points on some things, but only from a point of view that can easily be viewed by an audience in either way (pertaining to the issues, not the comically way he or she presents them).
Sure, we have advantages. That doesn't mean that black people or Hispanics or Asians don't have other advantages, and it certainly doesn't mean that white people can use their own advantages to swell their egos and belittle other races' advantages. We do it, though, and that's where racism stems from.
So you've just found a godly youtube video that explains everything you've been pulling for, which is nothing but where racism spawns from.

[The Cheat]

I think in the end, everyone hates everyone regardless of race or skin color. People just don't get along.

[Take a Look]

http://www.break.com/index/toledo-bar-brawl-turns-into-gunfight.html

Blacks have advantages too........