Furgon use

[Jens]

I just got out of an hour+ game with PredatorEyez a gold in the Strategic Insomniacs clan on GL. Well after I quickly killed him, he used his furgon to delay the game at LEAST 45 minutes. Saying that it was just part of the game and that hes a "real fighter". So what do you guys think, personally I think he should have surrendered. Basically the entire feild was full of shrubs and I was attakcing at him with 2 knights... so it took forever.
I had 2 clerics, 2 knights, and a deeply buried scout left. I am seriously angry right now. /end vent

[DKR]

Hmm... this is what some people do unfortunatly :(

You have to learn to live with what people are willing to do for revenge, becase they dont like losing they try and make you force quit for the 'points'. Im only interested in a good fight, so if someone does that to me, I would of probably quit. Im in this to have fun, not to spend time chasing some furry thing around the forest of shrubs created.

I just label this guy as a bit of a bad player if he resorts to this sort of behaviour

[Office_Shredder]

While it is technically a legit strategy, it is also just a waste of time. And not only for you, when you think about it, Predator also wasted 45 minutes of time trying to make you quit, and HE was the one that lost.

So try and take some small pleasure in that;)

[Jens]

Had i known he was going to do this i would have just quit at the start. But when he started doing that, i was so mad that I would have stayed up all night chasing that damn furgon. I'm just saying i know when im beaten, and I surrender. Needless to say i will not play him again.

[green97sierra]

good deal bro. i mean honestly, you've already beaten him, so why play him again?

[Sir Vilhelm]

This jerk did a similar thing to me... I had him beat, soundly... and he styarted taking full turns this morning. After it was clear I had him hands down... it took another 30 minutes to end the game!

I started the game at exactly 7:00. I finally got my final kill hit in at 7:44!

thats one long game! And he kept insulting me the whole time as well... becasue I wouldn't let him draw it out and "if I had two clerics I'd wipe the floor with you!"

[Jeffery]

While languishing in the GL lobby, I noticed he also taunts newbies and tries to get them to fight him. He also asked several very nOOb questions, making me doubt he has any true abilities.

[green97sierra]

keys to a successful furgon hunt. if you have a scout, it will take a while to dig him out, however, it will make life easier. think of it this way, while you are digging him out, all the other guy is doing is making more bushes, and eventually he's going to run out of room. if he's dumb enough to get it to the point where his furgon is completely boxed in, as in he cant move, youve only got a max of 3-4 min left, the three turn pass = automatically surrender rule. just listen to a song you really like. if he is smart enough to realize that burrying your furgon is a bad idea, then divide and conquer. he can only grow one bush at a time, so make sure that your setup is to the point where you hack a bush, take a step. repeat till you start hitting flesh.

[FuzzyUndercling]

I feel your pain Jens.

This is the same issue as when the kid who wouldn't end the game with all of his knights paraed.

The trouble is the kids mother. If the parents would teach sportsmanship over (of all things) stats, then we wouldn't have this kind of problem.

Maybe all kids under 16 should have to get signed a permission slip to play. (My 5 year old plays, and would never even consider playing this way. I would be willing to send in a permission slip vouching for his behavior). He is way more of a man than the "big kids" who aren't strong enough to lose.

One kid last night begged me to surreneder (after trying to get me to press f5) because if I didn't, his friend would hate him! It didn't seem like a good enough reason (he was an 800 player anyway).

I will usually give a draw to any grey who is willing to play to the last piece, since the gold vs grey is lopsided. But when they try to cheat (and lying to get me to press the surrender button is cheating) they take the loss.

[Rescorlian]

Well, this could be considered a legite strat (hey, people argue for that stupid pyro rush which requires no talent) but like the pyro rush, I disagree. The purpose I think is to get the 30 turn draw rule. And that as far as I'm concerned is so, so not cool.
The fact that he's a newb hunter is very disturbing, please get me some screenshots (him and other player +players ratings) as proof, and then he will be dealt with.

Oh yeah and fuzzyundercling, not meaning to flame you, but unless the guy is 12, he can make his own choices and his parents should have othing to do with it. Everyone picks who they are, and the princaples they live by.

Oh yeah Jens, and never surrender, NEVER! If all of your attacking units have been killed, then just pass the turn or move the dead-units walking closer, but never surrender!

[FuzzyUndercling]

Oh yeah and fuzzyundercling, not meaning to flame you, but unless the guy is 12, he can make his own choices and his parents should have othing to do with it. Everyone picks who they are, and the princaples they live by.

Oh yeah Jens, and never surrender, NEVER! If all of your attacking units have been killed, then just pass the turn or move the dead-units walking closer, but never surrender!


I was being a bit (quite a bit) sarcastic. A note from their mommy woudldn't do the trick.

If you have no offenseive units left, surrender shows the most sportsmanship.

If you still have a single fighting unit (other than the lightning, and even the lightning if the enemy can realistically be destroyed by the tower) left then by all means keep fighting.

But a cleric and furgon? What do you hope to achieve by not surrendering? Prolonging the game is just irritating. If you can't win, then you lose.

[Rescorlian]

Why not surrender? Never give up, never surrender. If you've beaten me then youy must fullfill the responsability by spending the time to kill off the last, hell it's your right. Best sportsmanship, I think you have it backwards, surrendering is less sportsman, what kind of a person realises they have been defeated and run from it? No, you strand there and you take it like a man, you learn the humitlty that was just taught to you.

I personally think you have a backwards idea of sportsamnship, maybe your parents taught it to you wrong (the last part is supposed to be humor) :)

[DUI Warrior]

I don't believe forced draw works on shrubs. When that scumbag staller (Mer...something) used his Furgon for the same purpose, I just kept hitting the shrubs and after tons of turns it still didn't do the forced draw.

[Punishment Co.]

Originally posted by Rescorlian
Why not surrender? Never give up, never surrender. If you've beaten me then youy must fullfill the responsability by spending the time to kill off the last, hell it's your right. Best sportsmanship, I think you have it backwards, surrendering is less sportsman, what kind of a person realises they have been defeated and run from it? No, you strand there and you take it like a man, you learn the humitlty that was just taught to you.

Hey that's nice, Res. I never saw it that way because like Fuzzy said, if you have no chance of winning (at all), then why drag it out? But now that you explained your side, I might just surrender a bit less.:)

[FuzzyUndercling]

Well, once the game has been decided then it seems pointless to continue (and I mean mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, like Sergi and the Ducks, not a long shot, like Ozzy and St. Louis).

But if you are not drawing the game out (you mentioned moving towards your opponent, rather than running from), then it isn't at all unsportsmanlike to force the opponent to kill the last remaining piece.

If fact, it is always entertaining to poof the clerk so ok, I get your point.

Still, I would rather start a new game than spend 5 minutes waiting for the inevitable.

[Rescorlian]

Man, come on, you learn the most in those 5 minutes of inevitrable death. You learn so much more from loss than you ever will from victory. What are you doing during those 5 minutes? I personally take that time to run the game through myhead and make note of all my mistakes, and learn from them.

Not to mention that 5 minutes really sucks, so the next time when it's your 5 minutes to kill the cleric, you enjoy twice as much then you would have had you not spent the time on the other side of the fence. I have lost some big ones, and for them I enjoy winning my big ones all the more.

[Rogue_Wolf]

MikeIsGod is the head of SI on GL. If you have a problem with this guy, tell Mike and he should set him straight.

I don't think its bad to surrender. I know when I am defeated, and I'll surrender. Not worth dragging something out, and then getting the same result. I don't surrender often. Mostly to only golds that I respect.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Rescorlian]

I hear your points and opinions on surrendering, I respect them also. I just think to surrender is to remove the lesson, like leaving a classroom when you've already taken the notes but your missing the actual teaching. I ask this, how is surrendering any different then running at the end of the game when you realise you've lost? (I mean the principle, surrendering obviously shows more honour, but my question stands firm)

[FuzzyUndercling]

What are you doing during those 5 minutes?


A lot of the time I am multi-tasking while playing. So I am not reflecting on my sins.

I'll concede that the difference is slight, and nobody is going to get mad about 3 or 4 or even 10 (it 10 is the least number possible) moves to end the game.

[Bottle]

A game can be over in 2 turns each.

All that it needs is two DSM'ed pyros on one side, and 10 clerics on the other, in two cross formations opposite the pyros.

First turn: pyro burns first 5 clerics, player 2 passes

Second turn: DSM burns other 5 clerics

YOU WIN!!!

I think this would only happen in rigged matches though..... and does anyone actually have 10 clerics?

[Smubeht II]

Originally posted by Bottle
A game can be over in 2 turns each.

All that it needs is two DSM'ed pyros on one side, and 10 clerics on the other, in two cross formations opposite the pyros.

First turn: pyro burns first 5 clerics, player 2 passes

Second turn: DSM burns other 5 clerics

YOU WIN!!!

I think this would only happen in rigged matches though..... and does anyone actually have 10 clerics?

That is 3 turns at least, depending who goes first. Second off, one can play A cleric, and lose to A Witch, in 1 turn.

[Bottle]

Whatever, that doesn't count as a full game in my view. And sorry about the turns thing, I play Warhammer so I'm used to one turn counting as both players having a go.

[Lich]

stop crying =/ ITS PArt of the game

[Botosi]

just fine with me. its like weed kiliing. plus its so fun killling shrubs

[-=Demontamer=-]

IM A GREY AND YOU STOLE MY QUOTE I MADE NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURRENDER AND I ALWAYS WILL I THINK WUT HE DID WAS FINE!!!!!

[FuzzyUndercling]

ugg, I'll develop a permission slip right away.

[Jens]

Seriously I have 100 better things to do than chase a furgon all around the board. I play this game for fun and that took all the fun out of it. Rescorlian we werent talking about 5 minutes try a good 45. The funny thing is that when i was about to finish off the furgon he surrendered.

Thanks to all who voted.

[FuzzyUndercling]

Last night, when a kid was behaving badly in a game I asked him (for my own enjoyment) if he had his permission slip signed.

he replied:


wat?



hahah! Isn't he great folks, lets give him a hand!

[hahaha]

Great fucking game design

[paulk6]

Jens... I think I know you... When I was at my friends house he kept playing you and you kept quitting... Pardon me if I'm wrong, but thats what I think happened.
I'm not insulting you or anything, actually you beat him the first time I think.

[ICevil]

u should be experienced enough to know u should kill the furgon first b4 the whole arena turn in2 a labyrinth.
the best anti-furgon r: whitch, pyro/DSM, Muddie, and Beastie.

[hahaha]

GJ designers for factoring in griefing

[Jeffery]

Hahaha.
one word for you.
SHaddup.
You play their game for FREE. You do nothing but whine and insult them and others. You do NOTHING for the game at all, except drag in through the mud. Go away, and bother someone else you sniveling litlle.......

[FuzzyUndercling]

No need to flame Jeff, just let it go by. Everyone who reads that post will see it for what it is.

[DKR]

The point Jens is trying to make is, there was no need for this, and a surrender would be more acceptable and honourable. The real point is, it was done because the guy was a sore loser. There is nothing honourable about wasting time when you have lost. Just shows bad sportsmanship