Totally appauling (read this, or face my wrath)

[Rescorlian]

Well, did you guys know it was international womens day on the 8th. And look how Iran chose to celebrate it.

http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/010796.html

I personally am so damn appauled, where's my gun?! I swear, I could {filter} go on for hours about this {filter} and those mother{filter} sheep{filter} {filter}. *starts counting to a million to calm self down*

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shitty deal, buts me gots to go to bed
and resc, u better go to bed too...its past your bedtime:p

[S_K_O_F]

All I ask is one thing of everyone after reading that article

Please, Do not think that all religions are like this...Christianity does not and will not ever condone this type of treatment of women. This type of attitude is strictly a part of this one religion, which, for those of you who practice it and are also apauled by this behavior, I will refrain from naming.

Please dont think that every person who practices a religious belief thinks this way

[plusminus]

That's pretty terrible. Both the incident and the alleged lack of reporting it in the media... I hadn't heard about this at all, and it's fairly important I think. Thanks for the link.

However, as to getting your gun: I'm sure that wasn't a serious statement. Even so, I have to disagree. Violence begets violence, and there was already enough at that incident.

[Bottle]

These people aren't even following their own religion. It clearly states that oppression is not permitted. These people are just using religion to give them an excuse, similar to suicide bombers.

I move to ban Religions. Watch as the number of wars drastically decreases.

Now I move to remove countries' boundaries. Again, wars decrease (although so does most of the economy, and other unimportant things).

Finally, if neither of these is passed, I move to ban humans. Watch as the world suddenly reverts to an excellent place.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by S_K_O_F
All I ask is one thing of everyone after reading that article

Please, Do not think that all religions are like this...Christianity does not and will not ever condone this type of treatment of women. This type of attitude is strictly a part of this one religion, which, for those of you who practice it and are also apauled by this behavior, I will refrain from naming.

Please dont think that every person who practices a religious belief thinks this way

While religion may have had an underlying part in this, I don't think it's fair to say that is was the only factor in what happened. Discrediting and denouncing a protest is one thing, but sending a militia to break it up is another. I'm sure someone will disagree with me on this....

/already feeling sorry for getting into this

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Bottle
Finally, if neither of these is passed, I move to ban humans. Watch as the world suddenly reverts to an excellent place.

Of COURSE! Why didn't I think of that sooner? It's been the perfect solution all along! ;)

[Omega_Paladin]

Yeah.......religion over all has not really helped the world. We have sick and twisted people using it as an excuse to do what ever they want as happened here. Then as Bottle so accutely put, religion and territory/resources are the two things most likely to cause conflict anywhere. And rather then ban humans, we just need one large area to stay in cased in by a 80-foot tall electric fence and once the human race as a whole has it's act together (Hm...guessing never on that...),we can be let out.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Bottle
These people aren't even following their own religion. It clearly states that oppression is not permitted. These people are just using religion to give them an excuse, similar to suicide bombers.

I move to ban Religions. Watch as the number of wars drastically decreases.

Now I move to remove countries' boundaries. Again, wars decrease (although so does most of the economy, and other unimportant things).

Finally, if neither of these is passed, I move to ban humans. Watch as the world suddenly reverts to an excellent place.

the only one of these that makes sense is removing humans

because you can take away all the freedoms you want...humans will still find things to fight about...banning religion would just bring about the end of the world anyway...cuz we would destroy each other over the revolutions

[Bottle]

Originally posted by plusminus
Of COURSE! Why didn't I think of that sooner? It's been the perfect solution all along! ;)

Too many people seem to disagree with it though. Seriously, we are the largest blight on this planet. By quite a way.

"Humans had always thought of themselves as more intelligent than dolphins. After all, they had invented so much- wars, the wheel, and New York to name but a few things; and yet the dolphins had always considered themselves more intelligent too, and for exactly the same reasons."

[Omega_Paladin]

Religion will probably bring around the end of the world anyways if we don't ban it. It's just a choice of do we want to slowly roast over the fire or just jump in and get it over with. (So Long and Thanks for All the Fish right Bottle?)

[Bottle]

Yeah, Douglas Adams was the funniest yet most thought-provoking man ever.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Omega_Paladin
Religion will probably bring around the end of the world anyways if we don't ban it. It's just a choice of do we want to slowly roast over the fire or just jump in and get it over with. (So Long and Thanks for All the Fish right Bottle?)

Not likely; at the worst, it will bring around the end of Humans on the world, and a few dozen species along with it. Then the Earth will burp or something, and 50,000 years from now everything will be cool again.

[Bottle]

Few dozen? I believe a nuclear winter would kill significantly more than a few dozen species.

[Omega_Paladin]

I am quite sure in a few hundred years some scientist is going to come up with a weapon that can just simply blow up the planet and then everyone will have one and be threatening each other with it and then some day someone will snap and release it and the planet will be gone and large chunks of it will go flying off disrupting the various orbits of the planets and generally making a giant mess. Oh, and I bet the weapon will leave behind horrendous amounts of various nasty waste that will stick around forever in space and leave a nice little tribute to us.

[Aro23r]

I'd really like to get in here and show all you religious pigs how wrong you are in believing in the religion. (Anyone on the Great Lakes server who has witnessed it will see how into the arguement I can get.)
Here is an example of one of the problems with a specific religion


But, how does Catholicism prove the divinity of the Bible?

---By quoting passages from the Bible, itself. How does that prove anything? How does quoting from the Bible prove that it is Holy? I bet if I tried hard enough, I could prove Lord of the Rings or Dune divine by quoting enough passages from it. Final point, Circle reasoning proves nothing, it merely delays the question from being answered. If the Bible cannot be proven divine, how can any faith built off of the Bible be divine? If religion is not divine, religion is pointless. That is my point. *Steps off of his soapbox*



I like Douglas Adams's reason how religion is bad. *I'm paraphrasing here of course, Religion is faith based, and, without faith, there is no religion. God lies at the heart of religions. No God, no religion. God also, is only believed through faith. By proving with facts that God exists, you remove all faith, and therefore God, him/her/itself bringing down religion as well.*



--Wow that was a deep post.


I accept any and all disagreements with my statements, but be prepared to defend them, because I have PLENTY of factual ammunition to shoot at you. Be prepared to defend yourself.

[Bottle]

I doubt that Omega, the weapons we have are quite sufficient to kill the population of Earth more than 100 times over, the scientists are busy discovering things about Buckminsterfullerene and carbon nanotubes.

*I refuse to prove that I exist,* says God, *for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.*
*Ah,* says Man, *but the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.*
*Oh dear,* says God, *I hadn't thought of that,* and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
*Oh that was easy,* says Man, and for an encore tries to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Bottle
Few dozen? I believe a nuclear winter would kill significantly more than a few dozen species.

Ah, but there are far greater things likely to start a global nuclear war than religion. Maybe. Depends on how you look at it I guess.

Anyhow, this is going weird places. So back to the protest.

According to the BBC article, it seems the government only said that the protest couldn't take place hours before it was supposed to start. And that the militia who attacked protesters were working at least somewhat independantly of government. Do I have that right?

[Omega_Paladin]

(Applause for Aro) Now, Who really knows what actually went on there? Maybe the milita was working for the government, maybe they were independent.
Bottle-The thing about humanity, we always feel like we need better weapons and we can somehow always turn a brand new discovery that could help the sick and homeless into a weapon.

[Bottle]

*also applauds Aro's 1500th post*

[nads]

Originally posted by S_K_O_F
Christianity does not and will not ever condone this type of treatment of women.

Time for SKOF to go study European history from around 400-1500 or so.

[nads]

Originally posted by Aro23r



I like Douglas Adams's reason how religion is bad. *I'm paraphrasing here of course, Religion is faith based, and, without faith, there is no religion. God lies at the heart of religions. No God, no religion. God also, is only believed through faith. By proving with facts that God exists, you remove all faith, and therefore God, him/her/itself bringing down religion as well.*




When one exercises a tiny bit of faith, and sees the results from it, it leads that person to try a bit more. When they see the results from that they try again, and again, repeating the cycle until that person's faith turns from a mere hope to a sincere knowledge. Exercising faith with the intent to prove their is no God is not truly exercising faith. Infact, it is the opposite of faith. While I have no way to prove to you there is a God, he has proven his existence by small miracles in my life everyday. This is not because I'm special by any means, because he has done the same for countless others. And, just as I could never prove to you there is a God, you could never prove to me there isn't one. That is the nature of the whole debate. Until you honestly search for answers on your own for your own life, you will never receive the answers.

I normally don't discuss my religious beliefs with others, simply because I don't like it when people force their views on me, but since you invited different opinions, I decided to break form and put it up.

[Siquo]

Nads is right, Aro, you cannot "prove" God, or the divinity of the Bible. Such is the nature of religion.

Science comes from religion, and was preserved through religion, keep that in mind. Now you want to analyse, dissect, and kill religion with science? Not really a thankful child, science...

Yeah.......religion over all has not really helped the world.
This is just nonsense, without religion we'd all be dead, or still in animal skins running after mammoths. Unless that is your idea of a perfect world, of course ;)

[Rescorlian]

Sorry siquo, but I only agreed with one thing you said, (god cannot be proven or unproven) the rest I so totally agree with it's not even funny. I have no want to discuss with you in a civil manner this subject iether, as you are uncapable of such.

Also, I would like to ask all those who see this to do something for me. Tell people about it. Post it on other forums, let people know about this one, the fact that this is unknown is uncool.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by nads
Time for SKOF to go study European history from around 400-1500 or so.

where in that quote I used did I refer to past tense ...I stated that christianity does not "now" and will not in the future condone it

I worded very carefully what i said hoping that someone like you wouldnt take what I said out of context...but it still didnt work

[Siquo]

Originally posted by Rescorlian
Sorry siquo, but I only agreed with one thing you said, (god cannot be proven or unproven) the rest I so totally agree with it's not even funny. I have no want to discuss with you in a civil manner this subject iether, as you are uncapable of such.
What is exactly the discussion? I agree with you that a discussion is useless, but only because you lack the ability to form a single grammatically correct sentence.
Also, I would like to ask all those who see this to do something for me. Tell people about it. Post it on other forums, let people know about this one, the fact that this is unknown is uncool.
What fact? Same as above, what are you talking about? Even Omega_Paladin makes more sense.

And SKOF, here in the Netherlands we have a christian reformed political party that does not allow women to work or be active in the party, does that count as well?

[Medemia]

Originally posted by nads
When one exercises a tiny bit of faith, and sees the results from it, it leads that person to try a bit more. When they see the results from that they try again, and again, repeating the cycle until that person's faith turns from a mere hope to a sincere knowledge. Exercising faith with the intent to prove their is no God is not truly exercising faith. Infact, it is the opposite of faith. While I have no way to prove to you there is a God, he has proven his existence by small miracles in my life everyday. This is not because I'm special by any means, because he has done the same for countless others. And, just as I could never prove to you there is a God, you could never prove to me there isn't one. That is the nature of the whole debate. Until you honestly search for answers on your own for your own life, you will never receive the answers.

I normally don't discuss my religious beliefs with others, simply because I don't like it when people force their views on me, but since you invited different opinions, I decided to break form and put it up.

Very well said Nads.

The problem with religion is that man tries to make it his own. This will get some of you upset, but... Man, being evil by nature, takes even the most holy of things and tries to put it in it's own box, tame it, make it human. God cannot be tamed, put in a box or made human (except by his own will.) So religion takes holy decrees, manipulates them to where they are easier and ruins the whole thing in the process.

So, it's ends up not being about how we get to God, but how God gets to us, that is truly important. Any attempts we make to get to God become religion and is a self-perpetuating failure. It's only God reaching down and changing us that is our only hope.

Another point, to say that religion, on a whole, has not done much for this world is a crock. The US Constitution was greatly influenced by the book of Deuteronomy. Capitalism is a product of the "Puritan Work Ethic". We would all be in monarchies/dictatorships still if it wasn't for religion.

[S_K_O_F]

hey...im all about converting our government to a theistic monarchy...at least then God would be calling the shots...but I guess we have to wait for the new earth for that

There are certain values that have been set up by the God of Christians...when taken out of context they will most undoubtedly seem to belittle women...unfortunately, the media is very adept at taking things out of context to support their own views

with that I am done talking about it because with the introduction of the media in my last statement I have opened doors that I don't want to walk through

[Jeffery]

Religions of all the major types ahve resulted in oppression and bloodshed.
The Jews persecuted the Christians. The Christians persecuted the Muslims. The muslims have persecuted themselves and others.
Every major religion at one time has persecuted and oppressed other people, as well as their own. Some sects of Christianity still do is. It is the same way with Islam. Some sects belive women have no rights. But This is actually a minority. The majority of Islamics, especially those in Western and Europeon countries, do belive in women rights.
It is the vocal minority that impose restrictive bans on women that make the entire religion look horrible. But Christianity was the same way for a long long time. Islam is actully the youngest of the major religions, it being an offshoot of Christianity. They too belive in the same God the Christians do. The believe in Adam and Eve, and Abraham.

What happened in Iran is HORRIBLE, and can not be defended. But do not base your entire knowlesge of Islam on what you see in the news.
Btw, I am a Christian, But I do have Muslim friends, and have gained understanding on what true Islam is.

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by S_K_O_F
hey...im all about converting our government to a theistic monarchy...at least then God would be calling the shots...but I guess we have to wait for the new earth for that

There are certain values that have been set up by the God of Christians...when taken out of context they will most undoubtedly seem to belittle women...unfortunately, the media is very adept at taking things out of context to support their own views

with that I am done talking about it because with the introduction of the media in my last statement I have opened doors that I don't want to walk through

You mean Bush is not God??? *GASP*

[Bottle]

If Bush is God, it explains a lot. For example, why is Man so screwed up? Bush designed him.:D

[S_K_O_F]

Muhammad's god was not the same as David's God

Allah and the Christian God are not one and the same

they came from the same place...Abraham...but muhammad came from the nation that was created when Abraham became impatient with God and had sex with his servant

This according though to the Christian bible...I don't know exactly what Islam teaches about this


EDIT - woops...i said i was done didnt i ...sorry Resc that this thread turned into a religion discussion...somebody start a new thread to talk about this stuff

[Rescorlian]

Is cool guys, go hard, just as long as people see the link :)