IE is going down.

[xerent]

My computer has been victimized by IE for the last time. I suggest anyone who hasn't already done this to do so now. Completely cast out your Internet Explorer, in its place shall reign Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/), something that dosen't compare to swiss cheese when it comes to security.

[ArcPaladinZero]

I never saw a popup again when I switched a few months back.

[h()()t]

Is it like a demo...and is it free forever?

[xerent]

It is free, as will you be when you install.

[h()()t]

I am working on getting it now.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Next, if you don't already have it you need to get Trillian. (http://trillian.cc)

[dim]

Hoot why are you getting it?

I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO GO GET THE DORITOS, PEPSI AND BEER
now come on and do what your told before Hugh gets back to the party.

[Jeffery]

I am taking Firefox for a testdrive now. Seems nice. The built in blockers are kinda nice, although not the easiest to configure. A nice "Popup Blocker" button in the bar would be fun.

But I like it a lot so far.

[h()()t]

IT's good a little bit laggy when I am scrolling down...BUt i can fix that by making my mouse scroller buton thing slower. Umm HELL YA It let's me download java yaaaa i can chat. I am going to check into that other thing arch But so far i like it.

[Cavour]

I have Mozilla too... woot...

[ArcPaladinZero]

Originally posted by Jeffery
I am taking Firefox for a testdrive now. Seems nice. The built in blockers are kinda nice, although not the easiest to configure. A nice "Popup Blocker" button in the bar would be fun.

But I like it a lot so far.

Nothing to configure, unless you want a pop up then just hit the exclamation mark in the bottom left to allow the pop up for that site.

[xyxaxyz2]

Is there any reason not to switch?

[xerent]

I used to think that because IE was made by Microsoft, and packaged with the OS, it would just work better, and there would be integration issues with third party browsers.

So far, this has been a myth, however. Works just fine.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Microsoft... work better?

*falls out of chair laughing*

[Snork]

Originally posted by ArcPaladinZero
Microsoft... work better?

*falls out of chair laughing*

Yeah, seriously. :)

I wonder if Bill Gates runs his personal computers on windows, or if he uses something else, and laughs at all the fools paying money for his junk. :)

[xyxaxyz2]

And if I decided I didn't like the change? Is there any way to go back?

[Snork]

Yes.
Just re-instal IE.

But don't.

End the Tyrany! :)

[ArcPaladinZero]

Originally posted by Snork
Yeah, seriously. :)

I wonder if Bill Gates runs his personal computers on windows, or if he uses something else, and laughs at all the fools paying money for his junk. :)

I bet he's a Redhat user or OSX user.

[xyxaxyz2]

You people have convinced me...I'm viewing this page from Firefox :)

[Snork]

Damn it X, trying to quote you is just plain annoying with all that code.

I'm not very smart.
I don't know how to instal it or anything. :(

[ArcPaladinZero]

Once you go Firefox, you'll never go back.

[Cavour]

Woot

[dim]

If you change internet programs are you still carried under AOL?

[ArcPaladinZero]

Please... tell me you're not using AOL... In fact, I'll pretend I didn't see you type that.

[Ark Knight]

I've had FireFox for a long while, and it's a lot better than IE. IE is filled with pop-ups, and constantly changes the font size for the forum...

[Cavour]

Lets make a cult... i mean clan... focusing on Mozilla... Its superior to IE in every way... :)

p.s. Im overtired, can you tell by the lack of intelligence and possibly lack of brain at all in some of my recent posts? :)

[ArcPaladinZero]

Let's not end up like some of those Linux people though...

[dim]

Well APZ just so you can see it again


I HAVE AOL AT MY HOUSE

my grandparents have time warner DSL but I do not understand all of this server and IP stuff yet.
So can I load these and still keep AOL or will dad catch it and bust my chops for messing with the comp other than to play on the internet?

[Ark Knight]

I can find a Mozilla Banner and everyone can have one... :)

[Ark Knight]

Originally posted by Ark Knight
I can find a Mozilla Banner and everyone can have one... :)
EDIT : Found one, but I can't upload it.

[thrdflrmshr]

xerent, are you using 0.8 or 0.9?

I had some troubles with 0.9 and CSS, and I was wondering if it was fixed yet.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Thrd, fix your link to Firefox, I dare not even say where it is currently going.

[thrdflrmshr]

Holy shit. That is so freaky. What the hell happened?

[ArcPaladinZero]

You had the http on there twice, not a biggie but that was scary. Anywho, I'm using 0.8.

[thrdflrmshr]

Does Firefox deserver a bigger button? I think so.

[Snork]

I downloaded it.

I'm crossing over. :)

[ArcPaladinZero]

That's beautiful, hmm... just like Cavour said... time for a cult! Everyone put a link to the almighty Firefox in your sig now!

[Snork]

Originally posted by ArcPaladinZero
That's beautiful, hmm... just like Cavour said... time for a cult! Everyone put a link to the almighty Firefox in your sig now!

Too lazy.

I'll just put a link to somebody else's link for it.

[thrdflrmshr]

APZ, you need to do this:

[.url=http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/][.img]http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/buttons/getfirefox_large2.png[./img][./url]

[ArcPaladinZero]

Gotcha, I hate trying to figure out the limits of html on sigs, ecky.

[thrdflrmshr]

Of course, you can change the image to what you like.

[Snork]

Back soon, it's time to install the beast. :)

[drakonfire]

yes firefox is much better... tabbed browsing rocks... yeah i kno its not new, but its still kewl and new to those who have been gimped by IE (for anyone who doesnt kno how, press ctrl+t to open a new tab) also, the pop-up blocker hasnt failed me yet, and when i wanna let something through, its really easy, just click the icon in the lower left-hand corner (i forgot who already said that)



anywho, someone wanna here something kinda amusing about microsoft? this year at E3 (electronic entertainment expo) the microsoft guys used an APPLE laptop to help run their press conference... rofl

[ArcPaladinZero]

Geez thrd! Ha! :p

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by drakonfire
anywho, someone wanna here something kinda amusing about microsoft? this year at E3 (electronic entertainment expo) the microsoft guys used an APPLE laptop to help run their press conference... rofl
The ultimate XBox? (http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P2903_0_1_0)

[drakonfire]

lol


microsoft is committing console suicide... as is sony... no backwards compatability for either of them O.o

[dim]

I haven't got a clue what any of you guys are saying but I am sure it will come in handy when I get to high school and start taking computer classes.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Ha, check out my little Firefox link, ain't it great? :cool:

[dim]

APZ

you never did tell me sir well dad still keep the AOL or do we need a different server?

[ArcPaladinZero]

Firefox is simply a browser, you will still use AOL as your connection to the internet, Firefox is no more than a browser used to view websites. It shouldn't interfer with AOL at all but I'm not 100% sure.

[drakonfire]

yeah i think all u need to do is connect using AOL, then open up firefox and use it as u would any other browser... but u cant use AOL keywords anymore, (unless u use AOLs browser... which will still be there)

[Snork]

I installed it. So far, not bad. :)

I don't like the way the cursor sits on the last letter I typed.
And I can't seem to use my scroll wheel when I'm in a message.

But it blocked a pop up, so YAY FIREFOX!!

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by Snork
I don't like the way the cursor sits on the last letter I typed.
And I can't seem to use my scroll wheel when I'm in a message.


yeah that sometimes happens... its unfortunate... minor hitch will probably be fixed eventually


and what do u mean u cant see ur scroll wheel when ur in a message?

[Snork]

Originally posted by drakonfire



and what do u mean u cant see ur scroll wheel when ur in a message?

I fixed it.
My scroll wheel on my mouse wasn't working. :)

But I fixed it.

[drakonfire]

lol, yeah generally helps if the hardware functions before the software can think to work ;)

[ArcPaladinZero]

You all must join the cult! Link to Firefox for it is god!

[thrdflrmshr]

Linking to Firefox via IE is even cooler.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Random linkage!!! I think I'll get one of AOL and link to Firefox.

[xyxaxyz2]

Ok...first problem...How can I open a new TAO window on firefox?

[thrdflrmshr]

What you'll need is to open a new window, and copy the address of the TAO game into the address bar. Ctrl-N just opens a new window at your home page.

http://216.12.202.221/TAO/play/fpstao035.html

That is the location of the TAO game.

[Snork]

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
What you'll need is to open a new window, and copy the address of the TAO game into the address bar. Ctrl-N just opens a new window at your home page.

http://216.12.202.221/TAO/play/fpstao035.html

That is the location of the TAO game.

How do I find the address without coming back here?

[thrdflrmshr]

Open a TAO window.

Right click near a corner of the window, outside of the Flash file.

Choose View Page Info.

The link location should be in the dialogue box that pops up, near the top.

[Snork]

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
Open a TAO window.

Right click near a corner of the window, outside of the Flash file.

Choose View Page Info.

The link location should be in the dialogue box that pops up, near the top.

Weird.
When the window opens, it doesn't have the tool bars or anything on it, the full page is the TAO window.
That's the way I always liked it, so it works out well.

So far, this is working for me. :)

[Duffman]

I've never thought about changing. I mean i knew that IE was slower and took up heaps of space but i never really needed to change. I mean i didn't have the problems with pop ups cause i have the google task bar and that has blocked 471 pop ups since i got it... But i will try firefox as you all seem to talk it up so much

Also i just wanna leave on the best oxymoron ever made : Mircosoft Works.

EDIT - Woot!!! 500 posts... i missed it but what the hell... *does a little dance*

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman


Also i just wanna leave on the best oxymoron ever made : Mircosoft Works.

Oh yeah?
Military intelligence. :D

This program works well enough to make it totally worth it to escape Billie Boys tyranical rule. :)

[Duffman]

No way man Mircosoft Works eats Military intellegence.

Also you are getting some quality posting time snork. I love the tidal wave of posts.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman
No way man Mircosoft Works eats Military intellegence.

Also you are getting some quality posting time snork. I love the tidal wave of posts.

You don't know the half of it.
If you knew all the PM's I was sending....
Actually, if you look at that one thread, it's pretty obvious. :)
There are dozens more that have yet to(or may never) respond. :)
I've been busy. :)

Hey, did I get to you?

[Duffman]

Yeah man i got one... I bet i was one of the only people to send one back too though.

63% Firefox downloaded...
64
65

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman
Yeah man i got one... I bet i was one of the only people to send one back too though.


LOL
Again, you have no idea. :D
I've gotten a ton backl.
But I honestly do appreciate you taking the time to write me back. :)

I've been busy PMing back and forth like crazy.
I've been PMing everybody I see, having PM conversations with many, and still making all those posts.

My keyboard will be smoking for days. :D

[Duffman]

hahaha Snork you animal. Post all the chances i get. I've even stopped playing the game lol. Tell you what you are probably sucking down half the sites bandwidth.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman
hahaha Snork you animal. Post all the chances i get. I've even stopped playing the game lol. Tell you what you are probably sucking down half the sites bandwidth.

At the moment I might be.

Check out how many posts were made over the last 2 hours, and if you could, how many Pm's were sent.

Then see how many involved me. :D

I'm just trying to pump up the forums. :D

[Duffman]

well you are doing a good job at what you are trying to do i'll give you that. Imagine if everyone was the animal you are...


Firefox - Importing files from Internet explorer... I think it froze it's not doing anything... well it might be doing something but it's taking it's sweet time.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman

Firefox - Importing files from Internet explorer... I think it froze it's not doing anything... well it might be doing something but it's taking it's sweet time.

What version of windows are you using?
I didn't have any problems so I don't know what to suggest.

[Duffman]

Nah it's cool i just cancelled it... Means all my cookies are gone but it doesn't take that long to get em all back... I'm not a regular on many different sites.

I useD IE6... conformist.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Duffman
Nah it's cool i just cancelled it... Means all my cookies are gone but it doesn't take that long to get em all back... I'm not a regular on many different sites.

I useD IE6... conformist.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Go to the Party Thread and see what you think about the TAO get together.

And everybody post here http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9122
Don't forget to mention Snork sent you, and I might just have to pm you. :)

[Omega_Paladin]

I though even Bill Gates had given up on the swiss cheese like protection offered by IE.


Really, what the hell?


And FYI, no matter what they tell you, 555cc injectors for a 95+ VG30DETT are $350 a piece (times 6) not $150.


Bastards.

[A.F.I.]

ill ask one of my friends about it today.... woot woot its the lest day of school

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by Omega_Paladin
I though even Bill Gates had given up on the swiss cheese like protection offered by IE.


Really, what the hell?
Do you really not know what xerent is talking about?

[xerent]

Sometimes I wonder myself. ^^

[thrdflrmshr]

Sure, everyone does sometimes, but IE is so full of holes that even a call girl wouldn't wear it.

[search66]

I didn't read the thread, and don't have to.

Use Opera.

'nuff said

[thrdflrmshr]

Opera sucks, too. First off, it's not free, and secondly, it's too bloated. It's supposedly "the fastest browser on Earth," but I think Firefox is superior. I've used both.

[A.F.I.]

firefox
rox
my sox

well, at least i think so after only 30 seconds of using it

[S_K_O_F]

i still use internet explorer...i wanna change but i have spent so much time learning to counteract all of the foolishness of it that i am not sure i can change

[ArcPaladinZero]

*points to link in sig*

Click it now.

[paulk6]

I just clicked. I like.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Good... good... :cool:
Mwa ha ha ha ha. More, more need to get Firefox!

[thrdflrmshr]

When v1.0 is released with all the fully integreated features, it is sure to blow IE out of the water. Vendors should start packaging it with XP.

[plusminus]

Wow how did I miss this thread? Been a Mozilla user since v1.2, Firefox user since 0.6 or 0.7 (when it was called Firebird).

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
What you'll need is to open a new window, and copy the address of the TAO game into the address bar. Ctrl-N just opens a new window at your home page.

http://216.12.202.221/TAO/play/fpstao035.html

That is the location of the TAO game.

Not necessary; just disable pop-up blocking for tacticsarena.com, because there are no unwanted popups here. (click the little blue button in the very bottom left corner.


Now, once you've got firefox going, you need some extentions. Ones I recommend are:
-MNG support for Windows: hey, you might need it some time
-Tabbrowser extentions: configure how tabbed browsing works, you can make it so any time a page tries to open a new window it goes to a new tab instead, and other good stuff
-Add Bookmark Here: makes it simpler to bookmark a page
-Flashblock: makes it so any flash file comes up as a white square with the words "flash" on it, and you have to click it to get it running. Some people won't want this I'm sure, but I find it nice when I don't want stupid flash logos and ads all over the place.

The page for firefox extentions (for at least v0.8) is http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/ so you can pick and choose at your leisure.

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by plusminus
Not necessary; just disable pop-up blocking for tacticsarena.com, because there are no unwanted popups here. (click the little blue button in the very bottom left corner.
He asked about NEW TAO windows, in addition to the initial popup window. Ctrl-N doesn't work.

You could use this extension, also: http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#clonewindow

[plusminus]

Ah, sorry, misunderstanding on my part.

Tabbrowser extentions will let you duplicate tabs, if you want to run TAO in a tab instead of a window. So you've got some options..

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by plusminus
So you've got some options..
Which is what I love about Firefox.

[dim]

HEY DONT LAUGH

I still have not found out about my question with AOL
***yes my dad still has AOL and an apple computer***
***this is the worst our printer is what 66 said was something
called a dot matrix.. It has holes on the side of the paper****

Can I change to this firefox with AOL or do we have to get another internet server?

[Al Caponeoni]

I bet Mr. Bill uses Apple.

:D

I have SBC Global DSL... buahahahah bask in my power!

The browser is great. It includes popup blocker, customizable stuff, etc....

Expensive though!

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by dim
Can I change to this firefox with AOL or do we have to get another internet server?
You can change to Firefox without changing anything within AOL.

Firefox is just a web browser; you'll still need to connect to the internet with AOL.

[dim]

HE HE

Mr. Caponeoni you have all of those contacts though that get you what you want. All I have is my dad.

AOL + Internet Explorer + Apple II G = Happy Dim

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by dim
AOL + Firefox + Apple II G = Happier Dim

[drakonfire]

al, dont use that SBC POS... i used to use it, trust me, its really not that great... as a matter of fact, i dont think i have ANY SBC software installed on this machine, even though they r my ISP :D... just take the pipe they give u and use FireFox

[DKR]

I don't suffer from pop ups that much, but then again I use AOL so that screws up my browser.

I generally refuse to go to anything like Firefox, Mozille, Opera, etc. The reason being I see no point truthfully. They offer me nothing more than other web broswers when IE works fine for me when I use it.

If I get a pop up i'll delete it, I don't go on enough random web sites to create lots of pop ups.

Also Trillin is one of the worst things I've ever used messenger wise. Used it for 5 minutes, removed it within 1 :/

Shame I don't have a Mac :(

[thrdflrmshr]

IE is good if you want unreliable rendering and security holes that compromise your machine. It's got that going for it.

[DKR]

Parden? Make that English?

I have a suitable virus and hacker protection if thats what you mean?

Plus i'm not too bothered if I get hacked. I've nothing important I don't have backed up on my by many CDs and ZIPs with my computer also on a 5 year garuntee and warranty

[Elentari]

What I'm wondering is how exactly you would know whether or not something was good if you only used it for 1 minute. Maybe give it a chance? What exactly didn't you like about it?

Edit: This was to DKR's comment about trillian...

[DKR]

I used Trillin for 5 minutes (took a minute to get uninstalled)

Compared to MSN messenger which has a good variety of options open to it, and AIM which I have to use cause of AOL anyway which is extremly bad but I have to live with that heh, I saw no other use for Trillin.

I don't use any other messenger because I dislike them (I find hotmail to be more than satisfactory for my needs once I've set up the proper filters and restrictions) also Trillin seemed to be a bulky and unusal form of messaging people, keeping the lists running and sitting in the background. Also for the first time ever I suffered lag from a messenger, which seems to hang around it.

It didn't seem I liked simply because from what everyone made it out to be, well... it was less than that... by alot

[dim]

DKR can I be your MAC when you get tired of 12?

***OOPS just realized MAC is a computer***

Never mind how do I erase this post

[drakonfire]

DKR, u should give trillian a try again, its a smaller program than either MSN or AIM (i think) its not really that bulky if u take half an hour to get over the learning curve, its massively customizable, and u can even get MSN look-a-like skins for it


BTW: the buddy list isnt always running, if u close it trillian minimizes itself much like AIM or MSN do

[DKR]

But why do I need it when MSN benefits me and is the only messenger I use, AIM I HAVE to use.

I have no need for Trillin because I do not like any other messenger Yahoo sucks, I'll stand by that to the end, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot barge pole :/ ICQ it annoying and just slightly pointless towards my liking also.

Why try a multi messenger system which seems more laggier, bulkiers and supposedly 'customable' with an added learning curve I have no want to learn when I use a standard messenger, customized to how I want it with a full idea of how it works and what can be done, therefore having to learn nothing else also.

Now say why I need Trillin ;)

[drakonfire]

because microsoft sucks and anytime u get a chance to use something other than its software u should leap at the chance ;)

meh, about the only reason i can give is lots of ppl use AIM and not MSN, meaning u now use 2 IM services... oh and u can hop onto the TAO IRC chat :D


but ya kno, if ur happy where u r, there really isnt a reason to switch, its just i hate microsoft, so i advocate alternative (superior) products whenever possible

[DKR]

Really? I know hardly anyone on AIM. I think its almost as bad as Yahoo but saying that I use AOL as my internet provider so I know how bad it is!

You know, once I got deactivated for 2 days because I supposedly sent an email to over 10,000 AOL users telling them to 'Click here to see my pics ' :/

I was NOT impressed when they told me

And IRC? Lol I'm a hater of everything I swear... Don't like it either -.-'

Also with AOL I have to use AIM but I've got a nifty IM catcher to get rid of people ^^

[thrdflrmshr]

I used Trillian about 10 months ago, and I didn't like it at all. drakonfire and Elentari got me to try it again a month or two ago, and I love it. It's the best messenger program out there, especially because I don't have to have AIM and MSN messenger running anymore.

Regardless of whether or not you like Trillian, there are definite advantages to switching to Firefox.

No pop-ups - Not a single pop-up is let through. If you feel the need to let them through on a certain site, you have the option to do so.

No Active-X controls - These nasty applet-like controls are IE exlusive. Originally intended for websites to offer easily installable plug-ins and apps directly from the browser, people have found numerous ways to write malicious code, spyware, and adware into these Active-X controls.

Tabbed Browsing - Have you ever wanted to open a link, but keep the current page intact? Sure, you could open a new window, but with Windows 98/2000/XP window management is not a top quality, which means that your screen real estate becomes cluttered very quickly. A tab within the same window serves as a great way to quickly look up a word or definition, a new website, or go on a tangent from some random website that you saw.

Open Source - This is not a big deal to the normal user, but the fact that the entire Mozilla project is open source is a great benefit for the whole web browsing community (read: everyone with Internet.) People can offer suggestions, write plug-ins, fix bugs, and generally be of help to other users without spending a dime or being restricted by legal red tape.

Ease of use/GUI - It just looks better than IE. It's skinnable, it's faster, it's less finnicky (i.e. the status bar at the bottom is either always there or always hidden, and toolars do not suddenly appear on a random startup of the browser), you have more control over pages (i.e. viewing source from a keyboard shortcut, blocking images from a specified DNS, image viewing, link copying), it has better download management, and it has more screen space used for the actual webpage and less used for toolbars, menus, and buttons.

[Dark-Death]

thanx for the tip xerent its way better
and woo hoo no pop-ups

[thrdflrmshr]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3840101.stm

Haha. IE sucks.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Microsoft never said they make good products. They just make things just for the sake of making things.

[xyxaxyz2]

The main benefit I've seen so far is speed. Firefox is significantly faster.

[Rabi en Rose]

If you have Trillian Pro, good for you. It's a great program with a lot of features, and whatever features it doesn't have you can add with extensions. However, if you're using the free version of Trillian, don't. It's not bad, but you have better free alternatives out there, such as GAIM.

Rabi en Rose's recommended IM client order of use:
1. Trillian Pro (if you're willing to pay or *cough* warez)
2. GAIM
3. DeadAIM
4. Trillian Free.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Gaim is better on Linux, the Windows port isn't that stable. Trillian Pro is a lot better than the free version but please help support Trillian. I'm against RIAA but not a good company like Trillian. :) Some stuff I just refuse to download.

[thrdflrmshr]

I'll look at GAIM. I used DeadAIM once, and it didn't offer enough. I'm seriously thinking about going to Trillian Pro. It seems worth it.

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
The main benefit I've seen so far is speed. Firefox is significantly faster.
The main benefit for me is most definitely this. You don't have padded code bogging down your page display.

The other main reason I use it is because of situations like the one I posted. Security holes are not nice, especially when code is installed that sucks your bandwidth and CPU.

[Rabi en Rose]

Firefox is defined by extensions.

What would I ever do without magpie? :heart:
Download manager, which was originally an extension now hardcoded into the program, is also very useful, although I like the 0.8 version more than the new 0.9 one.

[thrdflrmshr]

What does magpie do?

[Rabi en Rose]

It murders people in their sleep.

[dim]

It is a good thing that I am awake then.

[paulk6]

Okay, I have had FireFox for a few days now, and I definately like it. I love the popup blocker, and it definately seems to go faster than IE. Also, I'm glad to be rid of that Active X stuff Third Floor mentioned. All in all, it kicks ass :D

[Tama Drummer]

Yes, I also just got firefox, recomended by thrd, and I like it alot.

[ArcPaladinZero]

From the judging of things, IE has already gone down. Mwa ha ha. Long live the power of the almighty Firefox! I hope IE eventually goes under. Take that MS! Open source or die!!!

[truffleshfl]

Yah, I've had firefox for a week now and it is the best. Also how do I get rid of IE for good?

[Rabi en Rose]

Actually, if IE were open source, it would have a lot more problems than it does now, since you could examine the code and have an easier time finding weaknesses. All programs have bugs. People don't target IE because it's the easiest browser to crack, they target it because it's popular. Viruses and exploits for it can infect the most people in the shortest time.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Originally posted by truffleshfl
Yah, I've had firefox for a week now and it is the best. Also how do I get rid of IE for good?

Not anyway that I can see. After all, it's Microsoft.

[Tama Drummer]

actually, i won't get rid of IE, or attempt to since there are times, very few, when i can't do/don't know how to in firefox.

[dim]

Oh Wait something about computers that I know.
This is how you get rid of IE.
For the low low price of $1500 you can by Windows Removal 2003 from Microsoft. With this program will you not only remove all microsoft related material but a time will begin in your hard drive that will deteriorate your memory at 2 GB's a day until you purchase Windows Replinisher 2004 at the very low price of $1200 dollars. Then you are free to start with a completly empty drive and load whatever you like, providing the basic programing still reads the following
10 help
20 help
30 help please
40 reply network ""?""
50 if reply 40 is "no" goto 90
60 if reply 40 is "accepted" goto 70
70 Print " ha ha stupid did you think you could get away with it"
80 end program
90 Print " ha ha stupid did you think you could get away with it"
100 end program

[meletus]

You silly ppl if you knew how to use IE properly you would understand how simple it is to make it do all the stuff. this lovely firefox brings to the table.. You know I have been on the internet for quite sometime.. and well at home.. I haven't seen an internet ad.. in god i dunno... forever.. and a pop-up blocker.. You can just turn pop-ups off too.. silly rabbits... enjoy your new software.. it takes up more space.. it is made from spyware and so slow... just like all of netscape products....

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by Rabi en Rose
It murders people in their sleep.
Cool. I thought it would either be a bird, or a download manager. I was wrong.

Originally posted by meletus
You silly ppl if you knew how to use IE properly you would understand how simple it is to make it do all the stuff. this lovely firefox brings to the table.. You know I have been on the internet for quite sometime.. and well at home.. I haven't seen an internet ad.. in god i dunno... forever.. and a pop-up blocker.. You can just turn pop-ups off too.. silly rabbits... enjoy your new software.. it takes up more space.. it is made from spyware and so slow... just like all of netscape products....
Oh, I knew how to use IE "properly." And I hated it. If it were only the GUI that I had a problem with, I'd still want to switch. I know you can control the Active-X controls through security settings; I know you can get Google's pop-up stopper, which is, in my opinion the best one for IE; I know you can adjust all sorts of options regarding display and ease of use.

The list for what you cannot do is much longer. No tabbed browsing, no contextual options for frames, no image-blocking (or at least it's not readily available), the IE render is almost proprietary in that it displays HTML with some whacked out padding settings that are totally different from most other browsers, no download manager without third party installations, very few extensions, and a GUI that can't be attacked by malicious toolbars.

As for spyware: no. Mozilla.org does not condone spyware. Microsoft gathers more information from your IE usage than any other corporation could hope to gain.

Now, about Gecko-based browsers: much faster. Have you used a Gecko recently? They're faster than IE, hands down.

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by truffleshfl
Yah, I've had firefox for a week now and it is the best. Also how do I get rid of IE for good?


u cant, i went into the add/remove progs on win2k, and remobed IE that way... there arent any shortcuts to it from my desktop or start menu, but its still there... i believe its because windows explorer and IE have become so similar that u have to have IE in order for explorer to work, and without explorer, ur windows system is screwed

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by drakonfire
u cant, i went into the add/remove progs on win2k, and remobed IE that way... there arent any shortcuts to it from my desktop or start menu, but its still there... i believe its because windows explorer and IE have become so similar that u have to have IE in order for explorer to work, and without explorer, ur windows system is screwed

Actually Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer are the same program. You can not get rid of IE with windows. It is built to deeply into it. That was the basis of the lawsuits against Microsoft in the US and EU.
I too knew how to use IE. I had popup blockers and other programs installed to make it work witrhout problems. The problem comes down to the fact that IE is still an unstable program that was never properly written. Like the rest of the Microsoft products, it has to have continual product updates just to stay running.
Mozilla collects NO data continuously from you, unlike IE. Microsoft has more little tie-ins to your system that ANY open source program.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Jeffery
Actually Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer are the same program. You can not get rid of IE with windows. It is built to deeply into it. That was the basis of the lawsuits against Microsoft in the US and EU.

Not entirely true. http://www.litepc.com/

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by plusminus
Not entirely true. http://www.litepc.com/

And you'll notice that it is not microsoft that has done this. It is an outside company who hacked into Windows GUI and redid it. It has been dome before. Wait until Microsoft sues them into the ground, then get back to me.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Microsoft likes to eat companies smaller than itself.

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by ArcPaladinZero
Microsoft likes to eat companies smaller than itself.


yup... and it usually blows because the smaller company functioned far better when it wasnt a sub-MS company :( *coughRarecough*

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Jeffery
And you'll notice that it is not microsoft that has done this. It is an outside company who hacked into Windows GUI and redid it. It has been dome before. Wait until Microsoft sues them into the ground, then get back to me.

They've had the 98lite program around for more than 4 years now. No lawsuits.

Anyhow, the point is that the Windows GUI and IE are not the same program. They do share a lot of the same resources and libraries, but they are not the same program. In the lawsuits in the US, they claimed Windows *couldn't* function without IE, and demonstrated a version of Windows that had IE removed, but was also intentionally broken. Hacks like this proved that it could in fact be done.

In any case, I'm not meaning to get into some kind of argument here. The point of this thread is that Firefox > everything, and I don't want to distract from that :)

[thrdflrmshr]

http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-06-30.html

This should prove to be very, very interesting.

[T3km4n]

Firefox doesnt work with letting the plguin do TAO for me so i have to use IE for that, but i use firefox for everything else and its great.

[thrdflrmshr]

http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-windows.html#install-flash

That works wonderfully.

[Shaman]

Originally posted by xerent
My computer has been victimized by IE for the last time.

Stop looking for Warez and P0rn and those nasty pop-up trojans wont get you.
:D

[thrdflrmshr]

I found this plugin just recently, and I think that it could be useful for fellow forum users.

http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#pastequote

[ArcPaladinZero]

Grrr... Firefox is perfect. Firefox will always > IE. DKR... RAR you and your banner.

[drakonfire]

http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=12&vid=166&category=&page=releases
i have .2, which runs fine, dunno what they updated from .1


very, very fun and useful extension... some basic commands with it r (all of these hold down the right mouse button)

up left: change tab to the left
up right: change tab to the right
up: new tab
down: completely new window
left: back
right: forward
up down: reload
down up: open identical page in new window
down left: close tab (will close window if no more tabs r open)
down right: minimize firefox


u can open the properties for a full list of commands, these r just the ones i use

[thrdflrmshr]

IMPORTANT: BEFORE YOU UPGRADE, UNINSTALL THE CURRENT VERSION OF FIREFOX FIRST.

Everyone be sure to get Firefox 0.9.2. It has a very important update regarding the "shell:" command. Dangerous, indeed.

Here's the link: http://mozilla.org/products/firefox/

EDIT: Here's the link to the story about the security compromise: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621463,00.asp

Make sure to get Firefox 0.9.2, and not just the ShellBlock 1.0 Extension.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
Everyone be sure to get Firefox 0.9.2.

Correction, everyone using Firefox with Windows needs to get the updated version ASAP. Mac and Linux users have nothing to worry about.. in fact it looks like the patch only affects Windows XP, though other Win users are probably better off safe than sorry.

[thrdflrmshr]

You're absolutely correct.

Considering all but one or two people that I have seen on here use a different operating system than Windows, it wasn't a huge mistake, was it? ;)

[plusminus]

No, that's true. But, while we're on the subject of more secure, non-MS computing software... ;)

Anyhow, yes, it's important for anyone who uses Firefox on Windows to get the new version. You may in fact be able to auto-update... has anyone tried that?

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by plusminus
No, that's true. But, while we're on the subject of more secure, non-MS computing software... ;)

Anyhow, yes, it's important for anyone who uses Firefox on Windows to get the new version. You may in fact be able to auto-update... has anyone tried that?
I don't think that has been fully implemented yet. There is a warning somewhere on their page about uninstalling Firefox on Windows before upgrading. Hopefully the auto-updater will be implemented very soon.

[Jeffery]

Actually, they makeit hard to update at all.....

They must have hired some ex microsoft engineers for working on that.

[thrdflrmshr]

Yeah, I just royally screwed up, too.

I had three versions concurrently installed (read: bad idea.)

When I uninstalled one of them, the others didn't have an uninstall file to reference. Not to worry, though, a little registery editing fixed it all.

BEFORE YOU UPGRADE, UNINSTALL THE CURRENT VERSION OF FIREFOX FIRST.

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
When I uninstalled one of them, the others didn't have an uninstall file to reference. Not to worry, though, a little registery editing fixed it all.


i did the same thing, i love Win2K (of the windows OS' mind) i just clicked the un-install button on the others and they went away, even if they didnt have an reference file, hehe

[h()()t]

I have had ff fo about 3 weeks and i would never use anything but it.

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by drakonfire
i did the same thing, i love Win2K (of the windows OS' mind) i just clicked the un-install button on the others and they went away, even if they didnt have an reference file, hehe
That doesn't mean they uninstalled properly.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Eh, I'll take care of it all when I get back home Sunday.

[h()()t]

the only REAL way to unistall somthing is to go to my computer and click add and remove files.

[thrdflrmshr]

Originally posted by h()()t
the only REAL way to unistall somthing is to go to my computer and click add and remove files.
Even that method leaves registry keys in your system, but yes, it is the most effective.

Don't delete files to uninstall them!

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by thrdflrmshr
That doesn't mean they uninstalled properly.


granted, however i kno for a fact the only thing left is the registry entires, but i'm not gonna mess with those... because, yeah i kno i'm just stupid enough to delete something that will BSOD my machine

[thrdflrmshr]

The BSOD is easily avoidable: don't install something that you don't know the purpose of. Restart your computer after every installation of a new program, and just uninstall it if it starts causing problems.