The AL vs Badasses amazingly original WAR thread! - Page 17

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ~SlayeR~

Lol ok so I can miss a bunch of times and ask for an extention and set a time that he will likely miss to get a dq win then.. is that cool?

He should NOT have agreed to give a second chance to then miss it or not show up, besides it was an extenstion date so he knew what could happen ...

Ragnarth · 11-03-2009, 06:16 AM

Grey again?. Sucks.

2xfire · 11-03-2009, 09:02 AM

Don't worry slay, I'm weak as hell at turt nowdays lol my worst style probably...

I get off at 6 cst every day this week so let me know what works for you.

_Darkness_ · 11-03-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OMAR

There is only 1 DQ for this round, llrich . He missed an arranged time to play ON an extension date, he agreed via this thread and he did NOT show, 'nuff said.

Slayer already pointed this out, but what you're saying is that I am free to schedule and miss as many times as I want throughout the week and then I can ask for an extension for 1 day and give a 15 minute window and the other player will be DQed? I love your logic.

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

I am on again, it is noon another time that 2x said he could make it on. ill wait a little bit, but not long. It would have been nice to get a time from him...

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

So i have been on for 45 minutes and can probably be on for another hour. I was not able to hook up with 2x yesterday (not for lack of trying) he just didnt get on when he said he didnt have work. So i am on now, he said he MIGHT be on, and if not he said he could be on in the afternoon (no specific time was given then). I dunno when this game is gonna happen. DK and Bad maybe we could get a little extension, your call though.

Note that these are two different scheduled times that 2xfire missed.

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Sorry I couldnt be more active throughout to get the game played before the last second

lol?

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 02:03 PM

This is the first and last time that im going to explain something as simple as this to you, i hope you get it because it does not take a brain to understand it.

Lets say we have a "player x" and a "player w", they are playing for lets say a very important tournament, ok?

Player x takes the lead of the game by making some excellent moves fairly quick and earlier in the game but turns out that the player w makes a huge and crucial missclick.... At this point player x could win already and player w has no chance. It is just a matter of good sportsmanship, correct?

We will have 2 out comes for this situation:

A)Player X does not give back that missclick and ends up winning the game due to the already gained advantage earlier in the game besides this missclick.

B)Player X DOES give it back, player w gets back into play and makes a huge effort to win the game, in the other hand player x goes worst and messed up his own advantage in the game, his ending was terrible and player w ends up winning the game eventhough he alreaday had it lost.

Is option B anybody's fault?

No, they both played fairly and with good sportsmanship but lets say that if player x would've decided to play only fairly he would've won the game...

Is keeping that missclick against the rules?

Not really, but playerx would think twice next time if really want to give it back.

Who deserves the win?

The one who made the better effort in the end, the one who worked harder although the conditions were against him since the beggining, in this case player w.

I hope you can understand a simple situation like this, lets say player x could have won it easier and since the begginning but he GAVE a second chance to then just mess up himself and lose that game.

_Darkness_ · 11-03-2009, 02:20 PM

You just completely avoided everything I said.

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by _Darkness_

You just completely avoided everything I said.

If you can not read "between lines" i would understand this statement of yours aci.

_Darkness_ · 11-03-2009, 02:30 PM

Your post has no relevance to what I asked, you're just throwing in some random example.

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by _Darkness_

Your post has no relevance to what I asked, you're just throwing in some random example.

If you actually read it you can get what my explanation is.

And no, nobody should miss their pre-arranged matches for whatever reason, in this case a player got support from his opponent, and this last , screwed himself by missing a "last chance" date wich i granted.

They both knew that it was a deadline day, one did come and the other one not although he was on forums like 5 hrs a go before the time he did NOT come back at the pre-scheduled time.

If you can NOT make it at an "X" time, why would you agree to it anyways?

Lack of interest?

Ragnarth · 11-03-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OMAR

He should NOT have agreed to give a second chance to then miss it or not show up, besides it was an extenstion date so he knew what could happen ...

So, why not just dq 2xfire since they had to ask for an extension because 2xfire missed 2 times they had in common to play each other. If you allowed an extension to happen, you should consider the history both players had before having to ask for it.

I've been in the same case a few times before and both players have been dq'ed.

In my eyes, to dq only Llrich it was the worst decision you could make.

EDIT: Oh, and that's not the best way to explain yourself. You are kinda saying Darkness is stupid for not getting your bad call.

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnarth

Grey again?. Sucks.

First time was because of a challenge via captains, this time is a randomyzed round on randomyzer.org, blame them!!

Buena suerte marcos, y acerca de tu pregunta pues, si considere la doble DQ pero no la tome por el hecho de que llrich no tuvo el interes siquiera de avisar que no podria regresar, como ya he dicho el estaba aqui algunas horas antes de la hora en que supuestamente jugarian, porque no aviso?

A mi me parace que le dio flojera, no tuvo interes y simplemente no quiso hacer nada quizas por sentirse "seguro". En la otra mano tenemos a 2xfire, si falto una vez a una cita, pero por causas de la vida real, hasta ahi llrich pudo haber avanzado, pero en cambio decide darle otra oportunidad a 2x, y ahora es el que falta y hasta la fecha y hora, no hay explicacion al respecto.

No crees tu que es mejor una explicacion que no decir nada? puede prestarse a muchas malinterpretaciones, como desinteres...

Espero y entiendas mis puntos, que para ser honesto los hago lo mas neutral que puedo y para bien de este torneo.

The Antibiotic · 11-03-2009, 03:13 PM

The logic in your comparison is off Omar, if you wanted to use a comparison it would be more like Player W disconnected (twice in this case), and in a third attempt to play the game (already past the deadline), Player X disconnects. So you just award player W the win? I don't even see why a comparison needs to be made, 2x missed two times and llrich missed one. "Nuff said."

Greed · 11-03-2009, 03:16 PM

Pm:

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Originally Posted by greed

we're scheduled to play. Chapel the evergreen or gigolojlo on rev. Pacific (gmt -7). Wednesday - 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm. Thursday - 11:00 am to 3:00 pm. Friday - 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm. Let me know if any of these work for you.

OMAR · 11-03-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Antibiotic

The logic in your comparison is off Omar, if you wanted to use a comparison it would be more like Player W disconnected (twice in this case), and in a third attempt to play the game (already past the deadline), Player X disconnects. So you just award player W the win? I don't even see why a comparison needs to be made, 2x missed two times and llrich missed one. "Nuff said."

Fine lets take that example of yours and lets see whats the outcome, eventhough there is "mark" to look at for the supposed second time.

What would "we" judge if there are no gaming results ?

Activity
Willingness
Reasoning and Explanation(s)

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Sent to llrich:

So, tomorow I start my new job so I wont be available till after 7ish on the weekdays central standard time. And I can work with you on the weekends, let me know whats gonna work for ya...

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

I dont get off until 5:30 Pacific time, so that works out well. Maybe we can set something up for around 9 or 10 my time in the evening. Or this weekend should be good too.

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

That would be either 11 or 12 at night for me

(Isnt super late but with my new job and all eh...). Can't you do anything earlier than that? If not we will have to wait till the weekend...

Unless there is a non posted PM containing an official AGREEMENT from both of them this is garbage untill here, nobody really did confirm anything, correct?

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Well I wasnt on yesterday and expected some kind of response from llrich by today. Bro, we need to set a time cause I'm not going ingame to hunt you down.

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

Aite no worries man, my schedule has been kind of hectic. Why dont we just plan on 9AM my time Saturday morning 10 or 11 your time i think? I dunno i can send you this in a PM too, just let me know what will work out best. If you want to try for after both our works tomorrow we could try that too.

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

Me and 2x are in the process of scheduling for later on today

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Check visitor messages for our convo.

I'm sure we can work something out.

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

So i have been on for 45 minutes and can probably be on for another hour. I was not able to hook up with 2x yesterday (not for lack of trying) he just didnt get on when he said he didnt have work. So i am on now, he said he MIGHT be on, and if not he said he could be on in the afternoon (no specific time was given then). I dunno when this game is gonna happen. DK and Bad maybe we could get a little extension, your call though.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/member.php?u=19424

"Ok I will do my best to be on around 6ish my time (considering it's halloween I cant make any promises).

If not then I'm sure I can work something out tomorow as I'm off then. Don't know how early though man, cause I plan on partying pretty hard tonight. :P

lol i posted this to myself first haha"

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

I am on again, it is noon another time that 2x said he could make it on. ill wait a little bit, but not long. It would have been nice to get a time from him...

First fairly and correctly arranged time that is been made, they BOTH sucked to get arrange the match, 2x fire misses it.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/member.php?u=9680

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

The only time I will be able to get the game in will be monday night. Around 10ish for me would be good. That's 8 your time llrich.

Today has been hectic for me, Ive been moveing shit for my grandma since her apartment is finished after it got remodeled due to a fire. (this was unexpected so... my bad)

That's the best I can due at this point as I wont have another day off for about 2 weeks. Let me know what you can due bro. I will be able to check the forums tommorow at some point at work but it would be impossible to get the game in there. Anyways let me know.

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Originally Posted by trugreatness20

Okay fine, lets shoot for tomorrow at 8 my time 10 your time. DK and Bax can you guys grant this extension?

Second time, granted extension.Llrich opens himself yet a NEW chapter .

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

aight llrich i will be going up to my office at 10 to game it up with ya, see you then.

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Ive been in rev for bout 30 minuets. I'm gonna wait about 10 min longer (I know thats only 10 after 10 but whatev, i cant wait till 10:30 and then not be off till 11)

I don't really care If I get dqed at this point since AL has gotten totally trampled so far so do as you please if the game doesnt get played in the next 10 min.

Sorry I couldnt be more active throughout to get the game played before the last second but I had personal cercamstances that need no explanation. I was on the first couple days then llrich was no doubt on more than me after that so whatev you guys want to do is cool with me....

1

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Well, it's 10:13 on my phone, so gg guys

I will be trying out for the fps free team though so hopefully that goes much better.

2

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Originally Posted by 2xfire

Went and got my little cuz ready for bed and came back to check 1 last time before I log off. It's 10:24 here. Do whatev guys. Peace bitches!

3

Where is llrich?

As of now is been nearly 24 hrs since he was online, and untill now (lets despite the deadline, lets say the round is still going) there is no answer or explanation about it, right?

What were the 3 pointers, again?

Activity
Willingness
Reasoning and Explanation(s)

Llrich does not have any of these till now, in the other hand 2x has the 3 of them.

If llrich would bother at least to explain what are his reasons this could've went to some other way, activity and willngness are VERY necessary to solve situations like this where there is no chance to solve it with gaming results.

I hope that is easier to understand for you, if is not im sorry. I am wasting some time doing this but i like it and i am trying to make it as clear and neutral as possible.

Bottle · 11-03-2009, 05:18 PM

There's no point in agreeing to let OMAR be a neutral referee who makes impartial decisions when required and then complaining when he makes an impartial decision.

That said, it is downright foolish to DQ people in a clan war. What would be better would be to play the other 6 matches that you drew at random, and give another short extension to Ilrich and 2xfire, allowing two active players to complete their game and then continue with the next round having only lost a couple of days. Let them agree on a time, and whoever doesn't make it online at that time gets DQed (either one or both, or preferably neither). If they can't agree on a time in the next few days neither of them deserves to advance anyway.

I could reiterate my opinion on the pointlessness of turning clan wars into mini-tournaments, but that will inevitably result in more posts consisting of nothing but insults, so I won't bother.

11-03-2009, 06:16 AM	#242
Ragnarth Gold Account Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,098	Grey again?. Sucks. __________________

11-03-2009, 09:02 AM	#243
2xfire Messin with Sasquatch... Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 2,342	Don't worry slay, I'm weak as hell at turt nowdays lol my worst style probably... I get off at 6 cst every day this week so let me know what works for you. __________________

11-03-2009, 02:03 PM	#245
OMAR Maleficium Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miramar Posts: 648	This is the first and last time that im going to explain something as simple as this to you, i hope you get it because it does not take a brain to understand it. Lets say we have a "player x" and a "player w", they are playing for lets say a very important tournament, ok? Player x takes the lead of the game by making some excellent moves fairly quick and earlier in the game but turns out that the player w makes a huge and crucial missclick.... At this point player x could win already and player w has no chance. It is just a matter of good sportsmanship, correct? We will have 2 out comes for this situation: A)Player X does not give back that missclick and ends up winning the game due to the already gained advantage earlier in the game besides this missclick. B)Player X DOES give it back, player w gets back into play and makes a huge effort to win the game, in the other hand player x goes worst and messed up his own advantage in the game, his ending was terrible and player w ends up winning the game eventhough he alreaday had it lost. Is option B anybody's fault? No, they both played fairly and with good sportsmanship but lets say that if player x would've decided to play only fairly he would've won the game... Is keeping that missclick against the rules? Not really, but playerx would think twice next time if really want to give it back. Who deserves the win? The one who made the better effort in the end, the one who worked harder although the conditions were against him since the beggining, in this case player w. I hope you can understand a simple situation like this, lets say player x could have won it easier and since the begginning but he GAVE a second chance to then just mess up himself and lose that game. __________________ Last edited by OMAR; 11-03-2009 at 02:05 PM.

11-03-2009, 02:20 PM	#246
_Darkness_ wakawakawakawakawaka Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,307	You just completely avoided everything I said. __________________ THE BADASSES

11-03-2009, 02:30 PM	#248
_Darkness_ wakawakawakawakawaka Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,307	Your post has no relevance to what I asked, you're just throwing in some random example. __________________ THE BADASSES

11-03-2009, 03:13 PM	#252
The Antibiotic Gone Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UNC Asheville Posts: 876	The logic in your comparison is off Omar, if you wanted to use a comparison it would be more like Player W disconnected (twice in this case), and in a third attempt to play the game (already past the deadline), Player X disconnects. So you just award player W the win? I don't even see why a comparison needs to be made, 2x missed two times and llrich missed one. "Nuff said." __________________

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