Damage Calcualtions

[Dunbar]

Ever though you had a knight finished off, only to see that it survived with 1 hp remaining? If so, this table is for you!

EDIT: I've added the beast rider unit

Armor        25   18   16   15   12    8    0

Lit Ward     23   25   25   26   26   28   30
Dragon       21   23   24   24   25   26   28
DMW          18   20   20   20   21   22   24
Knight       17   18   18   19   19   20   22
Mud Golem    15   16   17   17   18   18   20
Beast Rider  14   16   16   16   17   17   19
Assassin     14   15   15   15   16   17   18
Scout        14   15   15   15   16   17   18
Pyro         11   12   13   13   13   14   15

The armor of the unit you are attacking is across the top. The unit you are attacking with is listed along the side. For those of you playing with stone golems, here is an expanded table to account for the +30% armor:

Armor        60   55   48   46   45   42   38   30   25   18   16   15   12    8    0

Lit Ward     12   14   16   16   17   17   19   21   23   25   25   26   26   28   30
Dragon       11   13   15   15   15   16   17   20   21   23   24   24   25   26   28
DMW          10   11   12   13   13   14   15   17   18   20   20   20   21   22   24
Knight        9   10   11   12   12   13   14   15   17   18   18   19   19   20   22
Mud Golem     8    9   10   11   11   12   12   14   15   16   17   17   18   18   20
Beast Rider   8    9   10   10   10   11   12   13   14   16   16   16   17   17   19
Assassin      7    8    9   10   10   10   11   13   14   15   15   15   16   17   18
Scout         7    8    9   10   10   10   11   13   14   15   15   15   16   17   18
Pyro          6    7    8    8    8    9    9   11   11   12   13   13   13   14   15

And, for completeness, a table of armor and hps of the various units:

            Normal  Armor   
            Armor   +30%    HP

Stone Golem   30     60     60
Knight        25     55     50
Lit. Ward     18     48     56
Dragon        16     46     68
Beast Rider   15     45     38
Assassin      12     42     35
Scout          8     38     40
Barrier Ward   0     30     32
Cleric         0     30     24
DMW            0     30     28
Enchantress    0     30     35
Frost Golem    0     30     60
Mud Golem      0     30     60
Pyro           0     30     30

Note that I plugged the armor and damage values into Excel for the calculations, then rounded off with and 0.5 and more going up to 1 and 0.49 and less going down to 0. This seems to be correct; the damage values I remember are right at least. If there are any mistakes, please let me know so I can update the table.

I hope this is useful to people, and maybe even worthy of a sticky!

[AzN_GuY]

Whoa, in table format even. nicely done.

[Dunbar]

Thanks; I hope it's useful. I plan to have this open when I play, so I can reference it. In the late game, it can be really important to know if a particular unit is going to die in one hit or two.

[AzN_GuY]

sigh, my battle experience goes to nothing the face of microsoft excel... CURSE YOU BILL GATES!

[Haelix]

sigh, my math degree, and calculating it in my head goes to nothing in the face of microsoft excel... CURSE YOU BILL GATES!

[qbsuperstar03]

This is an excellent and very helpful post for new players. I should probably copy this down, or ask that this topic be made a sticky. *makes puppy eyes at AzN_GuY*

[AzN_GuY]

way too many stickies man...

[ArcPaladinZero]

Well if there is no sticky I've always got my handy bookmark... just in case I think I'll copy n paste it too lol. Something like this could help out having strageties that go past just the next few moves so you can figure out how many turns it would take to eliminate units.

[Ri'Orius]

While useful, I don't think this is exactly sticky-worthy. I mean, I do just fine with the calculator built-in to Windows open as I play. And when the Scout LoS thing isn't even sticky, despite its uber-usefulness, methinks this can stick around, too.

Yep, I just use my calculator and occasionally reference the Scout Trickshot Compendium forum.

Nice tables though, good work.

[Aro23r]

Dunbar, i like your style, man. Not too many posts, no spams and stuff. But everything you post is pure GOLD, i LOVE the scout LOS post, and this is always handy too, sometimes doing the math on a calculator can suck, like if you hit the wrong number or something....ahh i hate that..lol

Doubt it'll be a sticky, stickies are only things that all members NEED to see or something close to that, like announcements and tournament info and the like.....

[kyrios24]

Is it really that hard to remember the table in your head? Maybe that's just me... but still, the damage is a percentage. Armor is all out of 100. If you can multiply and subtract and move things over 2 decimal places, you can get it in your head. I agree though, the LOS thread was damn helpful until I learned them all. Especially the overshoot. Love that

[Dunbar]

Thanks Aro23r, it's nice to be appreciated

And kyrios24, I agree with you generally. But there are some attacks that are really close...when the math comes out to .48 or .50, it's very difficult to know if your head if it is going to round up or round down. And sometimes, 1 hp can make a big difference.

I agree that it shouldn't get a sticky on it's own, but maybe we should make a useful info thread stickied to the top? It could contain this table, as well as the scout LOS info, and the info on when scout attacks count as front or back. And other overlooked tid-bits, like the fact that a frost golem can interrupt a barriered enchantress, and Seed's advice on melee combat (go for the back for the guaranteed hits!). Then we can just add new information to it as time goes on. That way it's just one stickied thread, rather than several cluttering up the forums.

All that info is old-hat to us regulars I think, but it's always useful for newcomers.

Just a thought

[A.F.I.]

dunbar hmm

are you a teacher?

[Telgar]

you do know a damage chart was already made for tao a long time ago. its viewable at the LEGENDS server fan site, http://bitsmerf.x2servers.com/ the other two we didnt bother making though, not as pratical to new commers


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